2022 NBA Draft Thread – (June 23rd, 8PM, ESPN)

[BK_2020]

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This guy apparently had Suggs #2, Sengun #5, Jalen Johnson #10 and Sharife Cooper #13, Davion Mitchell #40, Duarte #37. So maybe Brad should look at international SGs for our 2nd rd pick.

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This guy apparently had Suggs #2, Sengun #5, Jalen Johnson #10 and Sharife Cooper #13, Davion Mitchell #40, Duarte #37. So maybe Brad should look at international SGs for our 2nd rd pick.

Yeah and that’s about the right call on Sengun unfortunately. Prob closer on Duarte too.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

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This guy apparently had Suggs #2, Sengun #5, Jalen Johnson #10 and Sharife Cooper #13, Davion Mitchell #40, Duarte #37. So maybe Brad should look at international SGs for our 2nd rd pick.

Yeah and that’s about the right call on Sengun unfortunately. Prob closer on Duarte too.

Duarte was like fine as a starter in his rookie season. I understand he's way older than your typical rookie but there won't be 37 players in that draft that will be average NBA starters at any point in their career. Not even close.
On the other hand, Suggs at 2 seems very generous.
Way too early to call Johnson and Cooper busts but they have shown nothing yet at the NBA level.
Mitchell shouldn't have gone this high in the draft but he's not the 40th prospect in that draft either come on now.
Not impressed by that list at all.

[playa-hater]

I know we've talked about Barlow a bit, just watching his Pro Day workout vid again:

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Man, this dude looks like a 1st round pick to me. The size (6'10" with a 7'3" wingspan) and ability to move as quick and fluid as he does, the ability to handle, drive, shoot. and he just turned 19.

The shot is a little weird looking on the form, but a) it goes in and b) it can be tweaked later on if need be, especially with how young he is. It might a slow-ish release but typically guys that big have more time to get their shot off than smaller guys..

Someone is gonna pick him before us I think. I think he'll go early to mid 2nd round.

But if he's somehow still there at 53, he definitely needs to be considered.

Makoundou and Barlow are my favorites as of now. Both could legit end up being really good NBA forwards.

No matter who we pick at 53, he will not be given a chance to contribute with our need for Veterans and being close to a title. With that said pick 53 should be for the highest ceiling possible.

This kid seems to fit that bill. In fact I would swing for the fences more for a high-ceiling bigger player since they are harder to find.

Poor man's MPJ maybe..

[Kalela]

No matter who we pick at 53, he will not be given a chance to contribute with our need for Veterans and being close to a title. With that said pick 53 should be for the highest ceiling possible.

This kid seems to fit that bill. In fact I would swing for the fences more for a high-ceiling bigger player since they are harder to find.

Poor man's MPJ maybe..

Ime was running a 8-9 man rotation in November. That needs to change. You play your rookies and bench players to get minutes in the regular season so they can develop.

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I know we've talked about Barlow a bit, just watching his Pro Day workout vid again:

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Man, this dude looks like a 1st round pick to me. The size (6'10" with a 7'3" wingspan) and ability to move as quick and fluid as he does, the ability to handle, drive, shoot. and he just turned 19.

The shot is a little weird looking on the form, but a) it goes in and b) it can be tweaked later on if need be, especially with how young he is. It might a slow-ish release but typically guys that big have more time to get their shot off than smaller guys..

Someone is gonna pick him before us I think. I think he'll go early to mid 2nd round.

But if he's somehow still there at 53, he definitely needs to be considered.

Makoundou and Barlow are my favorites as of now. Both could legit end up being really good NBA forwards.

No matter who we pick at 53, he will not be given a chance to contribute with our need for Veterans and being close to a title. With that said pick 53 should be for the highest ceiling possible.

This kid seems to fit that bill. In fact I would swing for the fences more for a high-ceiling bigger player since they are harder to find.

Poor man's MPJ maybe..

Yeah. Barlow just turned 19. He wouldn't be ready to contribute to a contender next season. If we draft him, he's gonna be on a 2-way, he'd play pretty much all his mins in the g-league. I honestly think however that by year 2 he could crack the rotations as a hustle, energy guy off the bench who can play decent D, give us some size out there and hit shots.

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uh oh. Seeing on Twitter that Yoan Makoundou has had a recent workout with Hornets and Kings. Well, teams were bound to find out about him eventually..

Kings have picks 37 and 49. Hornets have pick 45. So that's 3 picks right before ours..

I'm hoping he's still there...

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The kings with those 2 2nd round picks and not much depth at PF, I feel like they'll probably take him.

[djFan71]

Total swing and very, very likely miss, but John Butler has that intriguing combo of height and shooting. Alas, he's something like 180 lbs for a 7'1" guy. You'd basically 2-way him for a few years and hope he puts on weight. If a bunch of other folk are gone, could maybe do 53, but more likely UDFA.

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[return2glory]

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McGusty is one of the better shooters/scorers in the 2nd round. Brad needs to take a hard look at him. He would probably have to trade to move up into the early 2nd round to get him. His offense would help our bench.

Last season, McGusty averaged 17.8 ppg, 4.9 rebounds, 1.8 steals and shot 48% from the field, 36% from 3 and 81% from the line. He is listed at 6'5. White and McGusty playing together off the bench would be nice.

[return2glory]

Some players I feel the Celtics need to trade up into the early 2nd round to get (in no order):

1. Christian Koloko- Center - Arizona
2. Kameron McGusty- SG - Miami
3. Wendell Moore- SG - Duke
4. Justin Lewis- SF - Marquette
5. Adonis Williams- SG - Wake Forest
6. Trevon Keels- SG - Duke
7. Julian Champagnie- St John's
8. Andrew Nembhard- PG- Gonzaga
9. Johnny Juzang - SF- UCLA- He might go before 53.

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This guy apparently had Suggs #2, Sengun #5, Jalen Johnson #10 and Sharife Cooper #13, Davion Mitchell #40, Duarte #37. So maybe Brad should look at international SGs for our 2nd rd pick.

Yeah and that’s about the right call on Sengun unfortunately. Prob closer on Duarte too.

Duarte was like fine as a starter in his rookie season. I understand he's way older than your typical rookie but there won't be 37 players in that draft that will be average NBA starters at any point in their career. Not even close.
On the other hand, Suggs at 2 seems very generous.
Way too early to call Johnson and Cooper busts but they have shown nothing yet at the NBA level.
Mitchell shouldn't have gone this high in the draft but he's not the 40th prospect in that draft either come on now.
Not impressed by that list at all.

He’s fine as a starter if you want to lose 50 games. Total JAG who’s older than half the Celtics’ playoff rotation and I’m not sure what he’s good at.

If people want to assess someone based on some low watermarks that’s their prerogative. But at least come up with some good criticisms.

For the record for the new folks, the vast majority of this board stanned for Julius Randle and Jabari Parker not only before the draft (and bemoaned missing the opportunity to get in position to take them) but in fact for *years* after the draft. No one’s perfect all the time but the calls of those two as borderline top-10 picks was one of the great calls of draft prognostication history and there’s been plenty others.

Lol at these noobs looking at a couple of big boards and making a call not even knowing a fraction of the history.

So people can value who they want to but maybe get up to speed on the big picture.

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you gotta consider him if he's still there at 53.

So damn fundamentally sound as a 5. Skilled, plays hard, tough, strong frame..

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[Smart2Nesmith43]

Yeah and that’s about the right call on Sengun unfortunately. Prob closer on Duarte too.

Duarte was like fine as a starter in his rookie season. I understand he's way older than your typical rookie but there won't be 37 players in that draft that will be average NBA starters at any point in their career. Not even close.
On the other hand, Suggs at 2 seems very generous.
Way too early to call Johnson and Cooper busts but they have shown nothing yet at the NBA level.
Mitchell shouldn't have gone this high in the draft but he's not the 40th prospect in that draft either come on now.
Not impressed by that list at all.

He’s fine as a starter if you want to lose 50 games. Total JAG who’s older than half the Celtics’ playoff rotation and I’m not sure what he’s good at.

If people want to assess someone based on some low watermarks that’s their prerogative. But at least come up with some good criticisms.

For the record for the new folks, the vast majority of this board stanned for Julius Randle and Jabari Parker not only before the draft (and bemoaned missing the opportunity to get in position to take them) but in fact for *years* after the draft. No one’s perfect all the time but the calls of those two as borderline top-10 picks was one of the great calls of draft prognostication history and there’s been plenty others.

Lol at these noobs looking at a couple of big boards and making a call not even knowing a fraction of the history.

So people can value who they want to but maybe get up to speed on the big picture.

So what ? There has never been a draft where 37 guys peaked at average starter on a bad team or higher. While Duarte is old for a rookie there's still an adjustement period to the league. His stats aren't that different from say Brogdon's rookie season (who entered the league at the same age). He can shoot, he has decent size and can slide up to the 3 or down to the 1 and not kill your team. Nobody's expecting him to be an all star but there's no reason that he can't become a solid starter in the league.

Randle was picked 7th so I'm not sure that having him as a borderline top 10 pick is being that far off the consensus. While I'm not at all a fan of his game he literally broke his leg in his first NBA game and still manage to make an all NBA team in his career (regardless of whether he was deserving the fact he was in the discussion means he peaked higher than most "borderline top 10 picks"). Jabari Parker had multiple ACL injuries, we never got to see what he would have become. For what it's worth he was dropping 20 PPG on above average efficiency as a 21 year old after already having had an ACL injury. While the rest of his game was lacking there was clearly more talent there than a typical borderline top 10 pick. So unless your guy predicted that Parker's body would break down I don't really see how his take was exceptionnally insightful.

There have been multiple people in this thread pointing out the flaws both with his approach (which is basically just comparing a couple advanced stats to get a player comp and project a prospect career based off that comp with no regard for context or competition level) and his results (see BK_2020 post about the 2021 draft for instance) but I guess we're all noobs.

Better to trust the guy that had Phoenix as winner of the 2016 draft because they picked Bender (remember him ?) at 4, traded 13, 28 and the draft rights to Bogdan Bogdanovic (a guy that can actually play) for Marquese Chriss at 8 (you know it's bad when you lose a trade with the Kings lol) and Tyler Ulis (who ?) at 34.

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Total swing and very, very likely miss, but John Butler has that intriguing combo of height and shooting. Alas, he's something like 180 lbs for a 7'1" guy. You'd basically 2-way him for a few years and hope he puts on weight. If a bunch of other folk are gone, could maybe do 53, but more likely UDFA.

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He certainly has length and a 7'5" wingspan. Can't teach that. Thin as a rail, but that is not incurable. Decent basketball skills. An interesting prospect, for sure.

https://www.nbadraftjunkies.com/john-butler

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you gotta consider him if he's still there at 53.

So damn fundamentally sound as a 5. Skilled, plays hard, tough, strong frame..

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This draft is crazy. So many prospects that are all over the board, as this compilation draft ranking put together by hoopshype shows. Many of the players projected for the second round show wide variances in rankings. Your guy Matkovic has a high ranking of #57 (ESPN's ranking), but he was not even on the board in 10 other mocks. Other examples:

Keon Ellis - High rank of #52 (The Athletic), not ranked in 9 other mocks.
Ron Harper Jr. - High rank of #51 (NBAdraftnet), not ranked in 7 other mocks.
Tyrese Martin - High rank #45 (Sports Illustrated), not ranked in 10 other mocks.
Dominick Barlow - High rank #49 (Bleacher Report), not ranked in 6 other mocks.
John Butler - High rank #28 (For The Win), not ranked in 8 other mocks.
Johnny Juzang - High rank #58 (NBAdraftnet), not ranked in 10 other mocks.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/aggregate-nba-mock-draft-trade-rumors-ousmane-dieng-lottery-jalen-williams-top-20/

[cl2117]

Total swing and very, very likely miss, but John Butler has that intriguing combo of height and shooting. Alas, he's something like 180 lbs for a 7'1" guy. You'd basically 2-way him for a few years and hope he puts on weight. If a bunch of other folk are gone, could maybe do 53, but more likely UDFA.

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He certainly has length and a 7'5" wingspan. Can't teach that. Thin as a rail, but that is not incurable. Decent basketball skills. An interesting prospect, for sure.

https://www.nbadraftjunkies.com/john-butler

Came here to say Butler.

Wouldn't trade up for him, but if he's there at 53 definitely he's worth a flyer. He's a guy who is going to contribute for 2-3 years, but the raw physical talents give him unique upside. I was just bemoaning that Christian Wood got moved before we could have had a chance to throw our hat in the ring, but Butler projects to be a similar kind of player with his skillset (stylistically not talent-wise).

Honestly that deep into the 2nd round and I'd rather try and stash another guy in Europe because none of them are likely to contribute for a couple years anyway. Feels like the best way to preserve the asset since you can get an extra year or two of seasoning before they come over (although I guess it's a bit rich to call pick 53 an "asset").

[playa-hater]

Total swing and very, very likely miss, but John Butler has that intriguing combo of height and shooting. Alas, he's something like 180 lbs for a 7'1" guy. You'd basically 2-way him for a few years and hope he puts on weight. If a bunch of other folk are gone, could maybe do 53, but more likely UDFA.

Watch on YouTube

He certainly has length and a 7'5" wingspan. Can't teach that. Thin as a rail, but that is not incurable. Decent basketball skills. An interesting prospect, for sure.

https://www.nbadraftjunkies.com/john-butler

why I want another 2nd rd pick.. would be happy to get 2 players with raw talent but possible high ceilings. Take 2.. Maybe one becomes a solid rotation player.. Maybe both.. or worse case you have 2 very low salaries that can easily be replaced if all else fails..

[BleedGreen1989]

Yeah and that’s about the right call on Sengun unfortunately. Prob closer on Duarte too.

Duarte was like fine as a starter in his rookie season. I understand he's way older than your typical rookie but there won't be 37 players in that draft that will be average NBA starters at any point in their career. Not even close.
On the other hand, Suggs at 2 seems very generous.
Way too early to call Johnson and Cooper busts but they have shown nothing yet at the NBA level.
Mitchell shouldn't have gone this high in the draft but he's not the 40th prospect in that draft either come on now.
Not impressed by that list at all.

He’s fine as a starter if you want to lose 50 games. Total JAG who’s older than half the Celtics’ playoff rotation and I’m not sure what he’s good at.

If people want to assess someone based on some low watermarks that’s their prerogative. But at least come up with some good criticisms.

For the record for the new folks, the vast majority of this board stanned for Julius Randle and Jabari Parker not only before the draft (and bemoaned missing the opportunity to get in position to take them) but in fact for *years* after the draft. No one’s perfect all the time but the calls of those two as borderline top-10 picks was one of the great calls of draft prognostication history and there’s been plenty others.

Lol at these noobs looking at a couple of big boards and making a call not even knowing a fraction of the history.

So people can value who they want to but maybe get up to speed on the big picture.

Huh? Duarte was exactly as advertised. Very good shooter off a variety of actions and credible defender with decent size.

Not sure where your slander is coming from. C's could have killed for a guy like Duarte in this postseason.

[Kalela]

McGusty is one of the better shooters/scorers in the 2nd round. Brad needs to take a hard look at him. He would probably have to trade to move up into the early 2nd round to get him. His offense would help our bench.

Last season, McGusty averaged 17.8 ppg, 4.9 rebounds, 1.8 steals and shot 48% from the field, 36% from 3 and 81% from the line. He is listed at 6'5. White and McGusty playing together off the bench would be nice.

He will be 25 when the season starts. High chance he will go undrafted.

[return2glory]

McGusty is one of the better shooters/scorers in the 2nd round. Brad needs to take a hard look at him. He would probably have to trade to move up into the early 2nd round to get him. His offense would help our bench.

Last season, McGusty averaged 17.8 ppg, 4.9 rebounds, 1.8 steals and shot 48% from the field, 36% from 3 and 81% from the line. He is listed at 6'5. White and McGusty playing together off the bench would be nice.

He will be 25 when the season starts. High chance he will go undrafted.

I thought he was 22 or 23. Didn't realize he is already 24. But last year I was really high on Chris Duarte. He was 24 when the season started and he went 14th overall.