Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[Andrew McCeltic]

Apparently Isaiah Stewart can be traded because he signed a rookie extension...? Is he poison-pill? I'd give up a ton of 2nds and a 1st - maybe GSW 1st... Great fit here, defensive identity and temperament.. Now on an affordable contract.

Great fit before we added Porzingis. At this point, I don't know about paying that kind of money and giving up those types of assets for a 4th big.

Also, DET probably gave him that extension with the intention of keeping him. And he wouldn't be too happy about coming here and getting less playing time as the 4th big, as he's entering his prime..

I think the odd man out in Detroit is Bagley. Although he is obviously has less trade value than Stewart..

You phase out Horford and have KP/Rob/Stewart, if Stewart can shoot you can effectively play any combination of the three. If not, it's White/Smart/Brogdon in the frontcourt. It's a longer term move, esp. with injury concerns. But unlikely.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
3 minutes ago

New: Gabe Vincent made some eye-opening comments about what led to an ugly Celtics exit against Heat in East Finals on the @OldManAndThree podcast: "They had something going wrong over there (internally)..."

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Joe vs. Marcus? Joe. vs. team? Marcus vs. Jays? Jay vs. Jay? Jays vs. Joe?

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I am officially over this phrase. Labs are for us scientists. You jocks can call your spaces gyms like always!

[Goes to pour another flask, and is like “time to hit the GYM”]

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Not that intrigued by paying Siakam even the regular max at age 34. Think Brown at 32 on a superish max is still better value, both on-court and trade.

It's all about 2-3 year windows. Siakam will be 31 in 2 years and he'll be 32 in 3 years. Windows of more than 3 years don't really exist in today's NBA.

Also, Siakam didn't even play in the NBA till he was 22. He wasn't a full-time starter till he was 24. And he didn't play very much his rookie year. Here's how many NBA minutes (including playoffs) each of them played, through their age 23 season:

Siakam: 2,727
JB: 9,084

Cool stuff but this off-season was the complete opposite. Harden couldn’t get a long term deal, Irving had to force himself to the one team that would pay him, Van Vleet got two years. Beal got shipped out. Even Zinger only got two more years.

Teams aren’t going long on old guys. I started saying a week ago Siakam wasn’t going to return much and all the reporting is continuing to lean that way since and it’s because teams don’t want the length the players want anymore esp for older/non-elite guys.

Brown might be overpaid but he’s way less likely to be a trash contract and that’s a huge difference.

I'm fine with signing Siakam to a 2 or 3 year contract..

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I am officially over this phrase. Labs are for us scientists. You jocks can call your spaces gyms like always!

[Goes to pour another flask, and is like “time to hit the GYM”]

They cut out the part where he was cooking meth with Derrick.

[djFan71]

Absolute fire.

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I stopped after she missed the first one. Sad. Why would you even post that?

[Floody100]

Just checking in and yep the brown haters are still delusional. Lol 100% brad and brown are on same page and just need to do a lil something else before they sign him and I 100% know this supermax deal will be as team friendly as it can be.

Brown haters ?
The Brown “haters” as you describe are just really curious as to why you’re not just a little bit hesitant to be throwing that type of money at Jaylen ?
I think a majority of us “haters” actually wouldn’t mind keeping Jaylen long term & would be happy giving him the max deal instead.
We also realise with the addition of KP, Brown’s role may need to be a bit smaller (which it should). Are you comfortable to give Jaylen the biggest contract in the league as potentially the #3 option on this team ?

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Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
3 minutes ago

New: Gabe Vincent made some eye-opening comments about what led to an ugly Celtics exit against Heat in East Finals on the @OldManAndThree podcast: "They had something going wrong over there (internally)..."

https://t.co/nAdyjbA5s0

Joe vs. Marcus? Joe. vs. team? Marcus vs. Jays? Jay vs. Jay? Jays vs. Joe?

What he said is that the defense wasn't as connected as it was the previous year, so he speculated the reason was internal issues.

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Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
3 minutes ago

New: Gabe Vincent made some eye-opening comments about what led to an ugly Celtics exit against Heat in East Finals on the @OldManAndThree podcast: "They had something going wrong over there (internally)..."

https://t.co/nAdyjbA5s0

Joe vs. Marcus? Joe. vs. team? Marcus vs. Jays? Jay vs. Jay? Jays vs. Joe?

Possibly any of the above.

Also, perhaps add Grant (who got beat off the dribble by Duncan Robinson, probably the first time ever Robinson beat someone off the dribble in the NBA) not giving full effort to the list..

It might just be what Perk said, about Smart and Mazzulla not seeing eye to eye..

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There was a few comments Smart made late in the season/in the playoffs which suggest he didn't respect Mazzulla as a coach, too - which support Perk's claim..

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[TommyPoints]

Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
3 minutes ago

New: Gabe Vincent made some eye-opening comments about what led to an ugly Celtics exit against Heat in East Finals on the @OldManAndThree podcast: "They had something going wrong over there (internally)..."

https://t.co/nAdyjbA5s0

Joe vs. Marcus? Joe. vs. team? Marcus vs. Jays? Jay vs. Jay? Jays vs. Joe?

Possibly any of the above.

Also, perhaps add Grant (who got beat off the dribble by Duncan Robinson, probably the first time ever Robinson beat someone off the dribble in the NBA) not giving full effort to the list..

It might just be what Perk said, about Smart and Mazzulla not seeing eye to eye..

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Perk is the worst. I appreciate what he did for the C's, but the only way he survived the ESPN layoffs is that he gets paid the least.

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Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
3 minutes ago

New: Gabe Vincent made some eye-opening comments about what led to an ugly Celtics exit against Heat in East Finals on the @OldManAndThree podcast: "They had something going wrong over there (internally)..."

https://t.co/nAdyjbA5s0

Joe vs. Marcus? Joe. vs. team? Marcus vs. Jays? Jay vs. Jay? Jays vs. Joe?

What he said is that the defense wasn't as connected as it was the previous year, so he speculated the reason was internal issues.

Obviously Marcus and Joe. Kind of swept under the rug the whole “blow up with upper management.” In retrospect Marcus thought it was his show and now he’s in Memphis.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
3 minutes ago

New: Gabe Vincent made some eye-opening comments about what led to an ugly Celtics exit against Heat in East Finals on the @OldManAndThree podcast: "They had something going wrong over there (internally)..."

https://t.co/nAdyjbA5s0

Joe vs. Marcus? Joe. vs. team? Marcus vs. Jays? Jay vs. Jay? Jays vs. Joe?

It did appear that something was wrong. My guess is that it was a Joe thing. Dude comes from the back row, and, I don't know how he comes across to the players, but, just looking from the outside, he seems like a very insecure guy thrust into a position he was not prepared for. He lacked/lacks gravitas.
The players may well have thought and felt that, too. Total guess on my part.

[Larry_Russell]

Jaylen turning more and more into Kyrie

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brian Robb @BrianTRobb
3 minutes ago

New: Gabe Vincent made some eye-opening comments about what led to an ugly Celtics exit against Heat in East Finals on the @OldManAndThree podcast: "They had something going wrong over there (internally)..."

https://t.co/nAdyjbA5s0

Joe vs. Marcus? Joe. vs. team? Marcus vs. Jays? Jay vs. Jay? Jays vs. Joe?

It did appear that something was wrong. My guess is that it was a Joe thing. Dude comes from the back row, and, I don't know how he comes across to the players, but, just looking from the outside, he seems like a very insecure guy thrust into a position he was not prepared for. He lacked/lacks gravitas.
The players may well have thought and felt that, too. Total guess on my part.

Hope Cassell and Lee don't make it worse. If Joe struggles or they have more cred with the players.. Cassell won a ring here, he'd be the heir apparent.

[TommyPoints]

Joe vs. Marcus? Joe. vs. team? Marcus vs. Jays? Jay vs. Jay? Jays vs. Joe?

What he said is that the defense wasn't as connected as it was the previous year, so he speculated the reason was internal issues.

Obviously Marcus and Joe. Kind of swept under the rug the whole “blow up with upper management.” In retrospect Marcus thought it was his show and now he’s in Memphis.

Marcus always thought that he was a better player than he is and in turn tries to do too much. He needed to be the sixth man.

[Larry_Russell]

Joe vs. Marcus? Joe. vs. team? Marcus vs. Jays? Jay vs. Jay? Jays vs. Joe?

Possibly any of the above.

Also, perhaps add Grant (who got beat off the dribble by Duncan Robinson, probably the first time ever Robinson beat someone off the dribble in the NBA) not giving full effort to the list..

It might just be what Perk said, about Smart and Mazzulla not seeing eye to eye..

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Perk is the worst. I appreciate what he did for the C's, but the only way he survived the ESPN layoffs is that he gets paid the least.

What did he say that was wrong?

Was it all the playoff success that KP has had so far?
Or was it that Marcus and Joe 100% had something going on.



You just know marcus calling out the mental lightweights stupidity

[TommyPoints]

Possibly any of the above.

Also, perhaps add Grant (who got beat off the dribble by Duncan Robinson, probably the first time ever Robinson beat someone off the dribble in the NBA) not giving full effort to the list..

It might just be what Perk said, about Smart and Mazzulla not seeing eye to eye..

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Perk is the worst. I appreciate what he did for the C's, but the only way he survived the ESPN layoffs is that he gets paid the least.

What did he say that was wrong?

Was it all the playoff success that KP has had so far?
Or was it that Marcus and Joe 100% had something going on.



You just know marcus calling out the mental lightweights stupidity

I don't see Marcus and Joe being the issue. I think Marcus thinking he was one of Boston's best players and and that he was more important than he was is the issue. He was Tony Allen and needed to be in that type of a role.

[Larry_Russell]

Perk is the worst. I appreciate what he did for the C's, but the only way he survived the ESPN layoffs is that he gets paid the least.

What did he say that was wrong?

Was it all the playoff success that KP has had so far?
Or was it that Marcus and Joe 100% had something going on.



You just know marcus calling out the mental lightweights stupidity

I don't see Marcus and Joe being the issue. I think Marcus thinking he was one of Boston's best players and and that he was more important than he was is the issue. He was Tony Allen and needed to be in that type of a role.

Im not gonna get into how moronic that stance is, or how flawed the player comp is.

Just gonna leave with a huge

LOL

[TommyPoints]

What did he say that was wrong?

Was it all the playoff success that KP has had so far?
Or was it that Marcus and Joe 100% had something going on.



You just know marcus calling out the mental lightweights stupidity

I don't see Marcus and Joe being the issue. I think Marcus thinking he was one of Boston's best players and and that he was more important than he was is the issue. He was Tony Allen and needed to be in that type of a role.

Im not gonna get into how moronic that stance is, or how flawed the player comp is.

Just gonna leave with a huge

LOL

I think the fact that he is out of town is that Brad and company agree with me.