Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . .

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For the Celtics:
30M+: 3
20-29M: 1
10-19M: 3
4-10M: 1
1-4M: 3

Only going to get worse. NBA salaries will look like a hourglass in a few years.

Absolutely will!! No doubt about it. I do like how brad seems ahead of the game though.

It's going to kill the league and open up doors for Saudi to create a league and start pulling in all the middle tier players for big money they are no longer getting in the NBA. I'd say within 4-5 years the NBA is going to have some major issues in large part to the current CBA. Not good for the majority of the players in the league.

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Am I the only one who thinks we shouldn't sign anyone now.. Wait until after training camp and some really good apples may fall from trees from other team's roster crunch.

that and an unfortunate injury may occur to us and at least we would know what position to add by then.

Well, we have 2 open roster spots (3 if Banton gets cut, 4 if Banton and Kornet get cut). So we could sign someone now and then we'd still have another 1 (or more) open roster spots to sign a guy who gets waived by another team during training camp.

Also, if some good player does get cut during training from by another team, there's no guarantee they would sign with us. If a player is THAT good (like they are clearly better than Svi), chances are, they won't get cut - their team will cut a less talented player. And if a player does somehow get cut who is better than Svi - that must be a really good player so chances are, they will sign with a different team that can offer them more $ and/or more minutes than we can.

So if a good player who's a free agent is willing to sign with us now, even though we don't have much $ or much in terms of guaranteed minutes to offer, I say we sign him.

We have to have at least 14 guys on the roster by opening night. Right now we only have 13. What if we pass on Svi, and can't get any other good player to sign here? Then we are left scrambling and trying to find someone from the scrap heap to sign to fill those last 1-2 roster spots.

Sounds like we already offered Svi a contract though, so it's a moot point. Now, it's just a matter of whether he accepts the contract..

I don't think there's any chance Banton gets cut unless he does something stupid like gets arrested. Or injured, I suppose before his contract is guaranteed. He's good. I think people are going to like him.

Oh I agree. I doubt Banton gets cut. There is a possibility that he just plays really bad in training camp/preseason in which case he may get cut. But I doubt it happens.

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Only going to get worse. NBA salaries will look like a hourglass in a few years.

Absolutely will!! No doubt about it. I do like how brad seems ahead of the game though.

It's going to kill the league and open up doors for Saudi to create a league and start pulling in all the middle tier players for big money they are no longer getting in the NBA. I'd say within 4-5 years the NBA is going to have some major issues in large part to the current CBA. Not good for the majority of the players in the league.

This NBA CBA effectively opened the door for the Saudis.

[GoCeltics123]

Interesting that Wyc said he would've considered firing Joe if he felt he wasn't good enough

[zoyathedestroya]

The Celtics have arguably the winningest young star duo that hasn't won the title in NBA history. They're due. No more Smart holding them back. Banner 18, 19, and 20 incoming.

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Based on this, MLE-level guys actually increased. Minimum guys have decreased (could still increase since there are still roster openings). Everyone else stayed about the same.

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Based on this, MLE-level guys actually increased. Minimum guys have decreased (could still increase since there are still roster openings). Everyone else stayed about the same.

It's going to take a few years to play out once the legacy contracts are finished.

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Based on this, MLE-level guys actually increased. Minimum guys have decreased (could still increase since there are still roster openings). Everyone else stayed about the same.

Yeah I think so far the new CBA changes have been a bit overstated. It's made some changes and I'm sure will do more so in the future, but it's not like teams have been terrified of the second apron. There are 4 teams over it, Miami so far has gone way up in $ compared to last year, and the Celtics in all likelihood will go over at some point as well.

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Based on this, MLE-level guys actually increased. Minimum guys have decreased (could still increase since there are still roster openings). Everyone else stayed about the same.

Yeah I think so far the new CBA changes have been a bit overstated. It's made some changes and I'm sure will do more so in the future, but it's not like teams have been terrified of the second apron. There are 4 teams over it, Miami so far has gone way up in $ compared to last year, and the Celtics in all likelihood will go over at some point as well.

There was only 9 teams in the luxury tax this year. Don't think many teams will go into the 2nd apron. I count only 3 teams over the 2nd apron right now, Phoenix, LA Clippers and Golden State.

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Available free agents:

PJ Washington (RFA)
Kelly Oubre
Christian Wood
Lamar Stevens
Svi Mykhailiuk
Javonte Green
Danny Green
Derrick Jones Jr
Austin Rivers
Terrence Ross
Edmond Sumner
Lindy Waters
Hamidou Diallo
Blake Griffin
TJ Warren
JaMychal Green
Bismack Biyombo
Justice Winslow
Rudy Gay
Terence Davis
Will Barton
John Wall
Wenyen Gabriel
Kendrick Nunn
Jaylen Nowell
Romeo Langford
Glenn Robinson III
Harry Giles
Alize Johnson
Ish Smith
Juan Toscano-Anderson
Darren Collison
Marko Simonovic
Stanley Johnson
KZ Okpala
RaiQuan Gray
Joe Wieskamp
Isaiah Thomas
PJ Dozier
Noah Vonleh
Rodney McGruder
RJ Hampton
Mo Harkless
Markieff Morris
Mamadi Diakite
James Johnson
Gorgui Dieng
Frank Kaminsky
Tony Bradley
DeMarcus Cousins
Dewayne Dedmon
Boban Marjanovic
Serge Ibaka
Derrick Favors
Moses Brown
Kevin Knox
Anthony Lamb
Nathan Knight
Theo Pinson
Bryn Forbes
Malik Fitts
Tacko Fall
Lance Stephenson
Jabari Parker
Neemias Queta
Goran Dragic
Michael Foster Jr
Olivier Sarr
George Hill
Mac McClung
Vernon Carey Jr.

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Based on this, MLE-level guys actually increased. Minimum guys have decreased (could still increase since there are still roster openings). Everyone else stayed about the same.

Yeah I think so far the new CBA changes have been a bit overstated. It's made some changes and I'm sure will do more so in the future, but it's not like teams have been terrified of the second apron. There are 4 teams over it, Miami so far has gone way up in $ compared to last year, and the Celtics in all likelihood will go over at some point as well.

MIA really has no choice but to go over it this year because of contracts they signed under the last CBA. And while we're really close to the line, we project to stay under this year (because we let Grant go to do so) and we've remained within range to do so next year too (would just require trading a player we already tried to trade in Brogdon).

So far, I'd say only the Suns have made moves this year (knowing the CBA ramifications) that signal a willingness/commitment to go over in the next few years. The Warriors with the CP3/Poole deal made a deal to actively pursue getting under next year.

I think it's really too early to say whether teams are or aren't "terrified" of the 2nd apron. 3 teams are over it right now (Phoenix, MIA, GS) and two of them project to be back under next year right now. Again, only Phoenix has made moves that actually commit to staying there. Everyone else is there as a byproduct of moves they made in prior years not knowing the ramifications of the then-unknown future CBA.

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I wouldn't hate it if we signed this guy to an exhibit 10.

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Two guys that are probably 4A guys rather than NBA players but still would be fun to watch: Mac McClung and Vernon Carey Jr.

McClung is looking for an NBA deal not just a two-way and I think he definitely deserves one. Just left the Sixers, won the Dunk contest and still couldn't muscle out any playing time. His G League numbers are legit 21/6/5 on 51/43/85 splits. He's not really a great fit for us as an undersized PG who plays best off-ball but if no one else is giving him an NBA contract I certainly would. The garbage time dunks would make it worthwhile on their own.

Similar to McClung, Carey Jr. isn't the best fit for us either but I have a soft spot for old school bigs so he's still someone I'd kick the tires on. Again he's got great G League numbers (20/8 on 61% from the floor) but he's just not a good fit for the modern NBA. Big, slower, poor FT%, back to the basket big. I still see potential though to end up as an ok 13-15th guy. He's a bruiser, rebounds well, if he can round out his defense he could be a reasonable minutes eater (similar to Azubuike).

McClung I think could genuinely be a fringe rotation piece for an NBA team, Carey Jr. is much more likeley just a 3rd/4th big that eats minutes when injury ridden. Still I think either would be solid for the 14th spot.

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Based on this, MLE-level guys actually increased. Minimum guys have decreased (could still increase since there are still roster openings). Everyone else stayed about the same.

Yeah I think so far the new CBA changes have been a bit overstated. It's made some changes and I'm sure will do more so in the future, but it's not like teams have been terrified of the second apron. There are 4 teams over it, Miami so far has gone way up in $ compared to last year, and the Celtics in all likelihood will go over at some point as well.

There was only 9 teams in the luxury tax this year. Don't think many teams will go into the 2nd apron. I count only 3 teams over the 2nd apron right now, Phoenix, LA Clippers and Golden State.

Milwaukee is as well according to Spotrac.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

Tough to say what the situation is with Miami, other than their spending is way up.

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Yeah I think so far the new CBA changes have been a bit overstated. It's made some changes and I'm sure will do more so in the future, but it's not like teams have been terrified of the second apron. There are 4 teams over it, Miami so far has gone way up in $ compared to last year, and the Celtics in all likelihood will go over at some point as well.

There was only 9 teams in the luxury tax this year. Don't think many teams will go into the 2nd apron. I count only 3 teams over the 2nd apron right now, Phoenix, LA Clippers and Golden State.

Milwaukee is as well according to Spotrac.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

Tough to say what the situation is with Miami, other than their spending is way up.

The 2nd apron is $182.7 million. Milwaukee is under.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/tax/

[Dogen]

Absolutely will!! No doubt about it. I do like how brad seems ahead of the game though.

It's going to kill the league and open up doors for Saudi to create a league and start pulling in all the middle tier players for big money they are no longer getting in the NBA. I'd say within 4-5 years the NBA is going to have some major issues in large part to the current CBA. Not good for the majority of the players in the league.

This NBA CBA effectively opened the door for the Saudis.

I've been to Abu Dhabi. If I was an NBA player looking for a team there was a league in the UAE looking for NBA cast-offs, I'd be heading to the airport. Places like Dubai are the equivalent of Miami in a lot of ways. Warm year round, great night life and culture, easy to travel. Wonderful for those with money, and I expect NBA players would be treated like royalty.

Playing for say, Milwaukee, and sitting on the bench while making 1% of what the top players are making for the outside chance of getting a title, or going overseas, making bank, slayin' hoes on a boat. Yeah, a lot of these guys see the writing on the wall.

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It's going to kill the league and open up doors for Saudi to create a league and start pulling in all the middle tier players for big money they are no longer getting in the NBA. I'd say within 4-5 years the NBA is going to have some major issues in large part to the current CBA. Not good for the majority of the players in the league.

This NBA CBA effectively opened the door for the Saudis.

I've been to Abu Dhabi. If I was an NBA player looking for a team there was a league in the UAE looking for NBA cast-offs, I'd be heading to the airport. Places like Dubai are the equivalent of Miami in a lot of ways. Warm year round, great night life and culture, easy to travel. Wonderful for those with money, and I expect NBA players would be treated like royalty.

Playing for say, Milwaukee, and sitting on the bench while making 1% of what the top players are making for the outside chance of getting a title, or going overseas, making bank, slayin' hoes on a boat. Yeah, a lot of these guys see the writing on the wall.

When Brian Shaw signed with Italy and had contract dispute with Celtics it was a big deal and NBA had to pay much more to players to stop talent drain. I wonder if this will emerge as another threat. Not sure the extra money is there for NBA owners to prevent a talent drain this time.

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The Celtics, league sources say, have interest in re-signing Blake Griffin. Less clear is Griffin’s stance, at 34, on returning to Boston for a 15th NBA season. Griffin signed with the Celtics in early October after training camp had already begun and appeared in just one playoff game after playing in 41 regular-season games.

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Useless SocMed Update: Sam Hauser wasn't the only Celtic who got married over the weekend. New assistant coach Amile Jefferson tied the knot too at Martha's Vineyard. A bunch of Dukies were in attendance including Jayson Tatum.

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Available free agents:

PJ Washington (RFA)
Kelly Oubre
Christian Wood
Lamar Stevens
Svi Mykhailiuk
Javonte Green
Danny Green
Derrick Jones Jr
Austin Rivers
Terrence Ross
Edmond Sumner
Lindy Waters
Hamidou Diallo
Blake Griffin
TJ Warren
JaMychal Green
Bismack Biyombo
Justice Winslow
Rudy Gay
Terence Davis
Will Barton
John Wall
Wenyen Gabriel
Kendrick Nunn
Jaylen Nowell
Romeo Langford
Glenn Robinson III
Harry Giles
Alize Johnson
Ish Smith
Juan Toscano-Anderson
Darren Collison
Marko Simonovic
Stanley Johnson
KZ Okpala
RaiQuan Gray
Joe Wieskamp
Isaiah Thomas
PJ Dozier
Noah Vonleh
Rodney McGruder
RJ Hampton
Mo Harkless
Markieff Morris
Mamadi Diakite
James Johnson
Gorgui Dieng
Frank Kaminsky
Tony Bradley
DeMarcus Cousins
Dewayne Dedmon
Boban Marjanovic
Serge Ibaka
Derrick Favors
Moses Brown
Kevin Knox
Anthony Lamb
Nathan Knight
Theo Pinson
Bryn Forbes
Malik Fitts
Tacko Fall
Lance Stephenson
Jabari Parker
Neemias Queta
Goran Dragic
Michael Foster Jr
Olivier Sarr
George Hill

Holy cow. I guess the game now is to make a 15 man roster from this. One that has an outside shot of making the playoffs. I'll start:

Bigs: Christian Wood, JaMychal Green, Bismack Biyombo, Serge Ibaka, PJ Washington

Swings: Svi Mykhailiuk, Justice Winslow, Hamidou Diallo, Javonte Green, Terence Davis, Kelly Oubre, Stanley Johnson

Ball handlers: George Hill, Austin Rivers, Lamar Stevens

Something like that. Wouldn't make the playoffs, but is well under the cap!