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Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader

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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#741 » by Elrod is Back » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:18 pm

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No doubt Ante is the top bigman on the board which gives him added value.

Also, I would be interested to see where Ante showed up when someone does a 2016 redraft. Yabusele, too, for that matter. AZ obviously would be an easy top 10 in such a horse manure draft.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#742 » by darrendaye » Wed Feb 22, 2017 1:32 pm

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There is every expectation that Ante Zizic, the No. 23 overall pick last June, will be a part of next season’s Celts. That he’ll be on a rookie scale contract is a bonus.

There was question whether the 6-foot-11 20-year-old would be able to handle the move from Croatia to tougher competition in Turkey, but the reports have been more than encouraging.

We checked in with former Celtic Gigi Datome, who is playing for another Turkish club, and, while there is obviously still work to do for such a young player, he believes Zizic is ready to contribute in the NBA.

“He is a big body who moves well for his size,” Gigi told the Herald. “Not very quick lateral movements, but he runs well the floor and he’s pretty quick on post moves. He has feeling for the game.”

Datome noted that Zizic’s new club, Darussafaka, is a solid Euroleague club coached by former Cavaliers leader David Blatt, and that Zizic “didn’t take too long to impact the team and to get into a new system. He plays hard and shows desire to compete. He has good feeling and position for offensive rebounds.

“I like him,” Gigi added. “He is very young, and usually big men develop later. He plays like an experienced player despite his young age. He is also reliable on free throw line.”

Datome took into account the clear step up in class from the European game to the NBA, but said, “I think he can be in the rotation. He can definitely play.”

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2017/02/bulpett_celtics_plan_to_go_big_or_sit_tight_at_nba_trade_deadline


Bolded and underlined is my only trepidation to crowning him a starting center. I do like much of what I've read and the little I've watched of him. I don't think he's destined to being a low post only guy. I believe he can quickly get a mid-range jumper in his arsenal. Good FT shooter and allegedly is working hard on his mid range shooting. Can he extend it to 3? Mid-range is enough if he brings the activity level he is reputed to have and can absorb coaching well. Heck, Tyler Zeller with a 9'3" standing reach would be a solid rotation player.
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Re: Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader 

Post#743 » by Gomes3PC » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:41 pm

Zeller with better rebounding and a consistent J is a really good player. I think he has a wider frame to handle big post players than Zeller as well, which is some of the challenge for Zeller earning consistent minutes.
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Time will tell but right now the returns for Danny's drafting in 2016 look very, very promising. It was a horrible draft in which to have eight picks and three first-rounders. Danny parlayed that into a superb prospect in Jaylen Brown; only Ben Simmons might prove to be clearly superior in time. Zizic by all current accounts is one the the top 10 players to come out of that draft. I wouldn't trade him for Dragan Bender or Buddy Hield.

The jury is way out on Yabusele, but it is hard not to get captivated by his talent, size, skill and athleticism. I think he looks better now as a prospect than he did on draft night or in summer league. The people who actually see him in China appear to be universal in their enthusiasm for his NBA prospects.

Then Danny parlayed two 2016 2nd rounders into a (lotto-protected) future no. 1 pick from the Clippers. He also got Demetrius Jackson, whom I suspect will be a bust, but I could be proven wrong. And of course Abdel Nader, who I think will play in the NBA for a few years at least.

Only wipe out for now--Ben Bentil.

Danny faced a very high degree of difficulty in the turd-laden draft and found a number of gems, at least for now. Bravo.
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Post#746 » by neno » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:00 am

Bender can shoot 3's, attack close outs, pass, dribble and move laterally to defend pic and roll better that Zizic. Zizic's lateral speed defending pic and roll concern me as much as his ability to stretch floor with shooting so to open lanes for penetration ( Jaylen, Isaiah etc). I like Zizic but Bender has a higher ceiling
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Post#747 » by Elrod is Back » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:17 am

neno wrote:Bender can shoot 3's, attack close outs, pass, dribble and move laterally to defend pic and roll better that Zizic. Zizic's lateral speed defending pic and roll concern me as much as his ability to stretch floor with shooting so to open lanes for penetration ( Jaylen, Isaiah etc). I like Zizic but Bender has a higher ceiling


Yeah, I agree. But Bender has a low floor, and Zizic has a pretty high one. It also looks like Bender couldn't rebound his way out of a paper bag. He is boom or bust. Zizic, at worst, looks like a rotation caliber big at age 20 in the NBA. For bigs, more than other positions, it is work ethic and passion that counts for a lot, and Zizic has that in spades. NBA history is littered with immensely talented bigs who flopped because they did not love basketball or they were not especially competitive. You never hear that about an NBA player who is under 6-8. If you don't love the game and are not competitive you don't get that far.

NBA history is also filled with bigs without anywhere near as much talent as the flops-- flops like Joe Barry Carroll, William Bedford, Patrick O'Bryant, Hasheem Thabeet, the late Fab Melo, the list goes on and on. These less talented and athletically less gifted players come from relative obscurity and go on to work their way into very impressive careers: Ben Wallace, Bill Laimbeer, Brad Miller, Ricky Mahorn, Marc Gasol, Kendrick Perkins, to name a few. These guys are dismal athletes next to the Joe Barry Carrolls that get drafted in the top 3 every year it seems. Zizic has enough talent to join that workaholic crew and if he does Celtics Nation will be filled with very happy campers.

No one should expect Zizic to be Hakeem Olajuwon, or Karl Towns or Joel Embiid for that matter. But he could be a solid quality starting-caliber player for a long time. We can use the Bkn picks and free agency to get the superstars.
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Post#748 » by neno » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:46 am

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neno wrote:Bender can shoot 3's, attack close outs, pass, dribble and move laterally to defend pic and roll better that Zizic. Zizic's lateral speed defending pic and roll concern me as much as his ability to stretch floor with shooting so to open lanes for penetration ( Jaylen, Isaiah etc). I like Zizic but Bender has a higher ceiling


Yeah, I agree. But Bender has a low floor, and Zizic has a pretty high one. It also looks like Bender couldn't rebound his way out of a paper bag. He is boom or bust. Zizic, at worst, looks like a rotation caliber big at age 20 in the NBA. For bigs, more than other positions, it is work ethic and passion that counts for a lot, and Zizic has that in spades. NBA history is littered with immensely talented bigs who flopped because they did not love basketball or they were not especially competitive. You never hear that about an NBA player who is under 6-8. If you don't love the game and are not competitive you don't get that far.

NBA history is also filled with bigs without anywhere near as much talent as the flops-- flops like Joe Barry Carroll, William Bedford, Patrick O'Bryant, Hasheem Thabeet, the late Fab Melo, the list goes on and on. These less talented and athletically gifted players come from relative obscurity and go on to work their way into very impressive careers: Ben Wallace, Bill Laimbeer, Brad Miller, Ricky Mahorn, Marc Gasol, Kendrick Perkins, to name a few. These guys are dismal athletes next to the Joe Barry Carrolls that get drafted in the top 3 every year it seems. Zizic has enough talent to join that workaholic crew and if he does Celtics Nation will be filled with very happy campers.

No one should expect Zizic to be Hakeem Olajuwon, or Karl Towns or Joel Embiid for that matter. But he could be a solid quality starting-caliber player for a long time. We can use the Bkn picks and free agency to get the superstars.

I agree but add only Bender's work ethic is also in spades which should in time go well with his feel and passion for the game. I would have picked Bender at 3 and Zizic(or)Zubac at 16 and I must admit Was not a Brown fan when we drafted him but wouldn't trade him straight for Bender now
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Post#749 » by Green89 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:18 pm

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Post#750 » by pasfru » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:19 pm

Big game today, Darussafaka are playing Real Madrid in Euroleague at 3 ET/8 GMT.

Not only will Zizic be up against arguably the best team in the competition, he'll be up against potential #1 pick in 2018, Luka Doncic.

I'll be watching.
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Post#752 » by Banks2Pierce » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:25 pm

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Sad, but an early exit will get him to Maine earlier so not that sad.
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Post#753 » by Elrod is Back » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:57 pm

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Sad, but an early exit will get him to Maine earlier so not that sad.


agree. The sooner the better.
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Sad, but an early exit will get him to Maine earlier so not that sad.

Yep, it isn't as if he'll gain more valuable experience with an extended playoff run than he already has in the regular season. Sharks lose, 0-3. Bring him over ASAP.
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Post#755 » by jfs1000d » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:02 pm

Fruit Pastilles wrote:Big game today, Darussafaka are playing Real Madrid in Euroleague at 3 ET/8 GMT.

Not only will Zizic be up against arguably the best team in the competition, he'll be up against potential #1 pick in 2018, Luka Doncic.

I'll be watching.

Where can I watch?


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Post#756 » by pasfru » Fri Feb 24, 2017 4:30 pm

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Fruit Pastilles wrote:Big game today, Darussafaka are playing Real Madrid in Euroleague at 3 ET/8 GMT.

Not only will Zizic be up against arguably the best team in the competition, he'll be up against potential #1 pick in 2018, Luka Doncic.

I'll be watching.

Where can I watch?


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I'm sure you'll be able to find that out for yourself :wink:
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Post#757 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:08 pm

Zizic with the putback! Real Madrid leads 12-6 early in 1st.
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Post#758 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:10 pm

Sergio Llull with 4 straight 3-pointers. Bonkers. 18-8, Madrid. They're taking advantage of Zizic in the high PnR. He's dropping back and unable to close out in time.
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Post#759 » by lon3lytoaster » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:13 pm

I'm definitely intrigued by Yabusele. I have no idea what kind of NBA player he'll be but the brute strength with the explosiveness he has is kind of fun to watch. And he has a soft touch.

Could be a role player. Could be more. Intriguing either way. I might go down to Portland when he's in Maine and have a look.

Zizic is just a beast. I think we stole a Marc Gasol type talent late in the first.
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Post#760 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:15 pm

Yeah, dump it down low to Ante. Zizic gets fouled, misses both FTs. Madrid, 18-8. Good post D on the other end.
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