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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#741 » by GregB » Thu Apr 6, 2017 6:50 pm

I love Smart. But he has been bad and If he doesn't improve his offense. He is clearly someone we shouldn't invest in longterm.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#742 » by ddb » Thu Apr 6, 2017 7:28 pm

GregB wrote:I love Smart. But he has been bad and If he doesn't improve his offense. He is clearly someone we shouldn't invest in longterm.


yeah I wonder if he is hurt??? He doesn't look good out there.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#743 » by Cuban Pete » Thu Apr 6, 2017 7:46 pm

Marcus Smart 2016-17

From Pro Basketball Reference
MP: 2274 (career high)
Pts/40min: 12.5 (career high)
FTA/40: 3.8 (career high)
FT%: .806 (career high)
2ptFG%: .421 (down .006 from last season)
3ptFG%: .275 (up .022 from last season)
Assist%: 21.6 (career high)
Steal%: 2.5 (career low and that's still and excellent number)
Block%: 1.0 (career high)
Turnover%: 15.8 (career high - he needs to work on that)
Usage Rate: 19.1 (career high)

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On Court: +1.2
Off Court: +1.2
Net +/-: 0.0

The majority of Smart's shots are either around the basket (0-3' .228) or beyond the arc (.430). That's good. Long 2s are the worst shots to take. That said, his 0-'3 FG% is an abysmal .788 (career avg is .512). His 3pt shooting was never his forte and his attempts must be curtailed. Overall, Smart needs to play smarter (no pun intended) and must cut down on the 3pt attempts and TOs, but he's not nearly as bad as some around here think.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#744 » by Dannyboy36 » Thu Apr 6, 2017 7:53 pm

Red2 wrote:what's bradley done lately? his shooting is just as bad as marcus right now but no one seems to be getting on his case


That's because Bradley has proven to be a good shooter and smart has been one of the worst shooters in NBA history.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#745 » by Ben-N1ce » Thu Apr 6, 2017 8:01 pm

Cuban Pete wrote:Marcus Smart 2016-17

From Pro Basketball Reference
MP: 2274 (career high)
Pts/40min: 12.5 (career high)
FTA/40: 3.8 (career high)
FT%: .806 (career high)
2ptFG%: .421 (down .006 from last season)
3ptFG%: .275 (up .022 from last season)
Assist%: 21.6 (career high)
Steal%: 2.5 (career low and that's still and excellent number)
Block%: 1.0 (career high)
Turnover%: 15.8 (career high - he needs to work on that)
Usage Rate: 19.1 (career high)

From NBA.com Stats

On Court: +1.2
Off Court: +1.2
Net +/-: 0.0

The majority of Smart's shots are either around the basket (0-3' .228) or beyond the arc (.430). That's good. Long 2s are the worst shots to take. That said, his 0-'3 FG% is an abysmal .788 (career avg is .512). His 3pt shooting was never his forte and his attempts must be curtailed. Overall, Smart needs to play smarter (no pun intended) and must cut down on the 3pt attempts and TOs, but he's not nearly as bad as some around here think.

He is that bad. Shot selection is part of a players makeup and it still sucks. Secondly numbers don't take into account that no teams give a flying **** about his offensive game and will gladly have him taking open jumpers so he provides no floor spacing for other players to do work nor make teams pay for leaving him open.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#746 » by TheOGJabroni » Thu Apr 6, 2017 8:07 pm

Dannyboy36 wrote:
Red2 wrote:what's bradley done lately? his shooting is just as bad as marcus right now but no one seems to be getting on his case


That's because Bradley has proven to be a good shooter and smart has been one of the worst shooters in NBA history.

Exactly. Both Bradley and Smart provide terrific defense but Bradley can shoot and play off the ball, Marcus cannot. This is important if Celtics best case scenario offseason occurs and Fultz & Hayward join our team. Between that and IT & Horford's playmaking ability, we'll need shooters.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#747 » by SichtingLives » Thu Apr 6, 2017 9:01 pm

Red2 wrote:what's bradley done lately? his shooting is just as bad as marcus right now but no one seems to be getting on his case


Probably after half a dozen years of illogically bashing the **** out of AB people are finally coming to their senses?
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#748 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Thu Apr 6, 2017 9:53 pm

This is the worst stretch of ball we've seen from Marcus so far in his career. He is trending in the wrong direction..which is a shame. Still have enough time to turn it around because like Tommy said this man is key for this team. We need him to be great defensively..we need him to be the best player on that bench or a first round out is totally in the cards.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#749 » by wizfactor94 » Thu Apr 6, 2017 10:39 pm

Pretty soon all these Marcus Smart is an All Star future player are going be weeded out of the small sand bunker they are hiding in.

It did not take long to prove the intelligent basketball fans from the green goggled ones that know nothing.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#750 » by Dannyboy36 » Thu Apr 6, 2017 11:53 pm

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:This is the worst stretch of ball we've seen from Marcus so far in his career. He is trending in the wrong direction..which is a shame. Still have enough time to turn it around because like Tommy said this man is key for this team. We need him to be great defensively..we need him to be the best player on that bench or a first round out is totally in the cards.


I hope you're right. I'm starting to wonder if the celts would be better off moving on and getting a WORSE defensive player but a guy that can make a shot. The guy really does make defensive plays you rarely seen before. It's fun to watch and every fan loves their gritty defenders. But Im remembering how teams could ignore Rondo on the perimeter and HE was a guy that could penetrate extremely well and was explosive playing next to 3 great players.
I'm starting to think MAYBE Smart will hurt more than help.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#751 » by Dannyboy36 » Thu Apr 6, 2017 11:57 pm

I don't mean to say do not play him this year. We need as many capable players as possible but I'm thinking going forward that I wouldn't offer him much and move on.
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Post#752 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Apr 7, 2017 7:30 pm



GG, Marcus. Best player on the Cs last night. Frustrating that it came in a loss but him and KO stepping up in the postseason is a necessity.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#753 » by Patsfan1081 » Fri Apr 7, 2017 8:53 pm

wizfactor94 wrote:Pretty soon all these Marcus Smart is an All Star future player are going be weeded out of the small sand bunker they are hiding in.

It did not take long to prove the intelligent basketball fans from the green goggled ones that know nothing.


Where are you seeing all these posters declaring Smart a future all star? Everyone seems well aware what type of player Smart is and what he could contribute to a team going forward. The farthest extreme seems to believe he can become a average shoooter, but there aren't even many of those left.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#754 » by Disposable Hero » Fri Apr 7, 2017 10:35 pm

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GG, Marcus. Best player on the Cs last night. Frustrating that it came in a loss but him and KO stepping up in the postseason is a necessity.


even then, he (along with almost everyone else) shot us out of runs that killed momentum. Anyone who gets to be the primary ball handler like Smart often is, is going to fill the stat sheet. I'm just over his antics. The flopping, showing up Brown (and nobody else) and jacking up bricks. I was a big supporter but it's been an ugly couple of weeks and I'm ready to move on. I'd love nothing more than to draft one of these PGs and trade Smart and Rozier. Neither who I feel can start in this league.
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Post#755 » by return2glory » Sat Apr 8, 2017 5:08 am

I for one think Smart can be a bornerline all-star if he improves his 3pt shooting and shoots about 36-38%.

Games like this vs the Hawks show that. But the problem with Smart is he has offensive games like this once every 15-20 games.

Smart worked on changing his shooting mechanics this offseason. It's still a learning process for him to get the new form down. I except him to shoot between 32-36% from 3's next season. We will see what happens.

But you don't give up on a player like Smart who is a big part of this team despite his terrible shooting. His minutes and shots should be reduced until he gets his shooting percentage up.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#756 » by Fencer reregistered » Sat Apr 8, 2017 5:26 am

In the abstract, I'd be happy with a 3-guard rotation of Thomas/Bradley/Smart for many years to come. But realistically, that would entail the major assets, cap space and so on somehow landing a stellar big man, and it's tough to imagine who that big man would actually be.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#757 » by Patsfan81 » Sat Apr 8, 2017 11:40 am

Since Smart has a career game the other night, expect him to go for 3-14 the next game. 1-7 on 3's. If we happen to go PG again in the draft, I won't be upset if we take Fultz or DSJ. At least those guys know how to run an offense and get to the lane like IT.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#758 » by jfs1000d » Sat Apr 8, 2017 4:17 pm

This guy has had some good stretches, but I just don't think intangibles are worth it unless he alters his style of play.

He should be a better shooter than he is. But the #s speak for themselves. He has to stop shooting as much as he does. He is t a shooting guard. He has to get in the lane, run pick and roll, and became a passer first.


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Post#759 » by Disposable Hero » Sat Apr 8, 2017 4:40 pm

return2glory wrote:I for one think Smart can be a bornerline all-star if he improves his 3pt shooting and shoots about 36-38%.

Games like this vs the Hawks show that. But the problem with Smart is he has offensive games like this once every 15-20 games.

Smart worked on changing his shooting mechanics this offseason. It's still a learning process for him to get the new form down. I except him to shoot between 32-36% from 3's next season. We will see what happens.

But you don't give up on a player like Smart who is a big part of this team despite his terrible shooting. His minutes and shots should be reduced until he gets his shooting percentage up.


to be fair, there are several dozen players that if you improved their 3 pt shot to .37% they'd be borderline all stars. But yes, if Brown shot like that he'd be starter material and there'd be no need to draft a PG. Problem is, there's nothing that indicates he'll ever improve. Some guys just have stone hands. Brad does him no favors allowing him to play like he does. We could get all the positives with none of the negatives if Brad just insisted that he either drive for layup/tear drop or kick out, or only shoot wide open 3 pt shots (2 max) if the clock is winding down.
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Post#760 » by LtsBrk IT4 Down » Sat Apr 8, 2017 4:47 pm

jfs1000d wrote:This guy has had some good stretches, but I just don't think intangibles are worth it unless he alters his style of play.

He should be a better shooter than he is. But the #s speak for themselves. He has to stop shooting as much as he does. He is t a shooting guard. He has to get in the lane, run pick and roll, and became a passer first.


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He has the body type to be a lane bully and wouldn't necessarily have to even score. Post him up, let him feel out his opponent. If he has the advantage force the issue, if not, pass ball back out to perimeter. His intangibles are great but if rather have a guy that wants to score and can keep a drive going. His momentum killer brick 3s or poorly tossed up layups trying to get contact just show to his poor shot selection. But it also shows his lack of trust of anybody on his line to score. How many times do we have to watch 4 guys sit on the perimeter for 10-12 seconds before we realize that the shot clock is winding down and we should start moving. I blame it on brad somewhat in the fact that he hasn't pulled someone aside and said "this is your bench, score the ball by any means". Rozier has flashed, kelly obviously, even Jaylen if he just took 6-8 shots is better than these piss heaves at the end of the shot clock. It's too late in the season to be figuring this stuff out when it's been here all along looming like a dark cloud. We are one first round, overworked, IT ankle tweak from a disaster we all know could happen.

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