Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[165bows]

This team already gets crushed on the boards. Going even smaller only makes that worse.

Saw your Aaron Gordon thread on twitter.

Agreed with most of it but isn't there an issue in ORL for their two best players playing the same position?

Oh for sure. Orlando is a mess. They have way too much duplication at some spots and giant holes at others. But they aren't moving Gordon for lesser pieces to try and fix it. Certainly not for AB and Jerebko.

Seems like the timeline isn't that long to deal with it, correct? I know Ibaka has publicly said he is resigning, but doesn't that become awkward for him when their best prospect plays his position?

[TheOGJabroni]

After all this LaVine discussion, I read Lowe's article, specifically about CJ McCollum:

Portland will have issues playing championship-level defense as long as McCollum and Damian Lillard share the floor for 20-plus minutes per night. That has led a lot of thinkers -- including this one -- to suggest Portland's GM, Neil Olshey, quietly explore McCollum's trade market. Lillard is still the more valuable of the two; he jacks more 3s from further out on the floor, attacks the hoop with more muscly verve, and is better at setting up teammates.

Now he's a guy I would be willing to gamble on, not LaVine. Although Lowe is stating he and Lillard can't coexist defensively; I don't think that would get much better with IT instead.

[Smitty731]

Saw your Aaron Gordon thread on twitter.

Agreed with most of it but isn't there an issue in ORL for their two best players playing the same position?

Oh for sure. Orlando is a mess. They have way too much duplication at some spots and giant holes at others. But they aren't moving Gordon for lesser pieces to try and fix it. Certainly not for AB and Jerebko.

Seems like the timeline isn't that long to deal with it, correct? I know Ibaka has publicly said he is resigning, but doesn't that become awkward for him when their best prospect plays his position?

It's been awkward since day one to be honest. But Gordon thinks he's a SF and they think he's a SF, so it doesn't really matter that all the rest of us know he's a PF.

The challenge for Orlando is that most believe Hennigan can't move young pieces for more win-now guys, because the organization doesn't want to be without anyone to build around if it doesn't work.

And he can't trade vets for young guys/picks because he won't survive long enough to see those young guys/picks pay off. Rough spot to be in.

[ConstableGeneva]

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Translation: Play ball so we can get better offers and ship your whiny ass out of here.

[Celts17Pride]

I really think any trade we make should be centered around AB. I love Avery but I feel like he is the epitome of a sell high player right now. IMO, his offense is as good as it will get and his defense is on a slight decline. Not to mention he can't seem to go a full season without injury. I think you package him with a Brooklyn pick and filler and bring Butler to Boston.

Understand the logic and I can't disagree but Crowder is really the upgrade the Celtics need to make. AB and IT have been extremely consistent all year long and if I'm looking for an upgrade it's at SF.

I love Jae but you can't have your starting SF score 20 points then average 5 ppg the next 4 games and then score 20 points again. If you are going to get to the next tier you need a lot more consistency than what Crowder has been bringing this year.

[GoCeltics123]

Oh for sure. Orlando is a mess. They have way too much duplication at some spots and giant holes at others. But they aren't moving Gordon for lesser pieces to try and fix it. Certainly not for AB and Jerebko.

Seems like the timeline isn't that long to deal with it, correct? I know Ibaka has publicly said he is resigning, but doesn't that become awkward for him when their best prospect plays his position?

It's been awkward since day one to be honest. But Gordon thinks he's a SF and they think he's a SF, so it doesn't really matter that all the rest of us know he's a PF.

The challenge for Orlando is that most believe Hennigan can't move young pieces for more win-now guys, because the organization doesn't want to be without anyone to build around if it doesn't work.

And he can't trade vets for young guys/picks because he won't survive long enough to see those young guys/picks pay off. Rough spot to be in.

If I'm Orlando I trade Vucevic and start Gordon and Ibaka at the 4/5. Bring Biyombo off the bench as well. They would suck at rebounding but defensively they'd be solid and offensively there would be a lot more spacing.

[darrendaye]

I really think any trade we make should be centered around AB. I love Avery but I feel like he is the epitome of a sell high player right now. IMO, his offense is as good as it will get and his defense is on a slight decline. Not to mention he can't seem to go a full season without injury. I think you package him with a Brooklyn pick and filler and bring Butler to Boston.

Understand the logic and I can't disagree but Crowder is really the upgrade the Celtics need to make. AB and IT have been extremely consistent all year long and if I'm looking for an upgrade it's at SF.

I love Jae but you can't have your starting SF score 20 points then average 5 ppg the next 4 games and then score 20 points again. If you are going to get to the next tier you need a lot more consistency than what Crowder has been bringing this year.

Agree with both points here simultaneously. I'd be looking to trade AB and a 2017 BRK non-#1 pick for Butler. In time, if they sense Jae is going to wile out about playing 6th man when/if Brown is ready or another "star in waiting" SF is acquired via 18 draft, free agency or trade, send him packing too.

[canman1971]

I really think any trade we make should be centered around AB. I love Avery but I feel like he is the epitome of a sell high player right now. IMO, his offense is as good as it will get and his defense is on a slight decline. Not to mention he can't seem to go a full season without injury. I think you package him with a Brooklyn pick and filler and bring Butler to Boston.

Understand the logic and I can't disagree but Crowder is really the upgrade the Celtics need to make. AB and IT have been extremely consistent all year long and if I'm looking for an upgrade it's at SF.

I love Jae but you can't have your starting SF score 20 points then average 5 ppg the next 4 games and then score 20 points again. If you are going to get to the next tier you need a lot more consistency than what Crowder has been bringing this year.

Agree with both points here simultaneously. I'd be looking to trade AB and a 2017 BRK non-#1 pick for Butler. In time, if they sense Jae is going to wile out about playing 6th man when/if Brown is ready or another "star in waiting" SF is acquired via 18 draft, free agency or trade, send him packing too.

Well that's a no brainer, but no way in hell does that get Butler. I wish it would though.

[darrendaye]

Understand the logic and I can't disagree but Crowder is really the upgrade the Celtics need to make. AB and IT have been extremely consistent all year long and if I'm looking for an upgrade it's at SF.

I love Jae but you can't have your starting SF score 20 points then average 5 ppg the next 4 games and then score 20 points again. If you are going to get to the next tier you need a lot more consistency than what Crowder has been bringing this year.

Agree with both points here simultaneously. I'd be looking to trade AB and a 2017 BRK non-#1 pick for Butler. In time, if they sense Jae is going to wile out about playing 6th man when/if Brown is ready or another "star in waiting" SF is acquired via 18 draft, free agency or trade, send him packing too.

Well that's a no brainer, but no way in hell does that get Butler. I wish it would though.

Then your opinion is that this draft does NOT have more than 1 all-star potential player? Otherwise, not sure how it's such a no brainer.

[canman1971]

Agree with both points here simultaneously. I'd be looking to trade AB and a 2017 BRK non-#1 pick for Butler. In time, if they sense Jae is going to wile out about playing 6th man when/if Brown is ready or another "star in waiting" SF is acquired via 18 draft, free agency or trade, send him packing too.

Well that's a no brainer, but no way in hell does that get Butler. I wish it would though.

Then your opinion is that this draft does NOT have more than 1 all-star potential player? Otherwise, not sure how it's such a no brainer.

Actually, my bad. I misread. I thought you meant a non BKN pick not just the #1.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I don't think Boston aspires to a Noel/Hayward summer.

What do they aspire for?

[Curmudgeon]

nd IT have been extremely consistent all year long and if I'm looking for an upgrade it's at SF.

I love Jae but you can't have your starting SF score 20 points then average 5 ppg the next 4 games and then score 20 points again. If you are going to get to the next tier you need a lot more consistency than what Crowder has been bringing this year.

It's not Crowder that needs to be upgraded, it's Amir Johnson.

[BfB]

won't survive
Oh for sure. Orlando is a mess. They have way too much duplication at some spots and giant holes at others. But they aren't moving Gordon for lesser pieces to try and fix it. Certainly not for AB and Jerebko.

Seems like the timeline isn't that long to deal with it, correct? I know Ibaka has publicly said he is resigning, but doesn't that become awkward for him when their best prospect plays his position?

It's been awkward since day one to be honest. But Gordon thinks he's a SF and they think he's a SF, so it doesn't really matter that all the rest of us know he's a PF.

The challenge for Orlando is that most believe Hennigan can't move young pieces for more win-now guys, because the organization doesn't want to be without anyone to build around if it doesn't work.

And he can't trade vets for young guys/picks because he won't survive long enough to see those young guys/picks pay off. Rough spot to be in.

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[MalagaBulls]

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Understand the logic and I can't disagree but Crowder is really the upgrade the Celtics need to make. AB and IT have been extremely consistent all year long and if I'm looking for an upgrade it's at SF.

I love Jae but you can't have your starting SF score 20 points then average 5 ppg the next 4 games and then score 20 points again. If you are going to get to the next tier you need a lot more consistency than what Crowder has been bringing this year.

Agree with both points here simultaneously. I'd be looking to trade AB and a 2017 BRK non-#1 pick for Butler. In time, if they sense Jae is going to wile out about playing 6th man when/if Brown is ready or another "star in waiting" SF is acquired via 18 draft, free agency or trade, send him packing too.

Well that's a no brainer, but no way in hell does that get Butler. I wish it would though.

Bulls fan cometh again on a weekly visit, cuz I like this board and I post with respect. I have seen the need that Boston posters have stated for a big man. So I wanted to kindly ask your opinions on 2 big men the Bulls may or may not make available at the trade deadline:

1. Niko Mirotic - Extremely talented but has vastly underachieved (Very soft) in Chicago and maybe a change of scenery would do him good. He signed a hybrid MLE/rookie level contract and is a restricted FA after this season with the right to match any offer. Not sure how valueable that is but some teams overpay to keep their assets. The key to Niko is being motivated and in a flow. If not he makes some of the most boneheaded mistakes know to man. But with all that said maybe better caoching and a new environment can get the best out of him. He really needs to pack on some muscle. Can stretch the floor and has good "attack the rim" skills and can be developed into an average defender. But all this comes with the motivation factor and he has been benched this season with 2 DNP's.
2. Robin Lopez - good paint and rim protector and decent rebounder. He runs the floor ok for a big man but as Sully pointed out inanother post he is a space clogger. That plus he makes 13/14M for the next 2 additional which is average for his output if 9/10 PPG and 7/8 RPG.

Thoughts on which would better fit your O/D schemes and what you would propose as far as trade material?

[claycarver]

Bulls fan cometh again on a weekly visit, cuz I like this board and I post with respect. I have seen the need that Boston posters have stated for a big man. So I wanted to kindly ask your opinions on 2 big men the Bulls may or may not make available at the trade deadline:

1. Niko Mirotic - Extremely talented but has vastly underachieved (Very soft) in Chicago and maybe a change of scenery would do him good. He signed a hybrid MLE/rookie level contract and is a restricted FA after this season with the right to match any offer. Not sure how valueable that is but some teams overpay to keep their assets. The key to Niko is being motivated and in a flow. If not he makes some of the most boneheaded mistakes know to man. But with all that said maybe better caoching and a new environment can get the best out of him. He really needs to pack on some muscle. Can stretch the floor and has good "attack the rim" skills and can be developed into an average defender. But all this comes with the motivation factor and he has been benched this season with 2 DNP's.
2. Robin Lopez - good paint and rim protector and decent rebounder. He runs the floor ok for a big man but as Sully pointed out inanother post he is a space clogger. That plus he makes 13/14M for the next 2 additional which is average for his output if 9/10 PPG and 7/8 RPG.

Thoughts on which would better fit your O/D schemes and what you would propose as far as trade material?

We don't need either of them. We're chock full of decent to good players and we have interesting young prospects on the way in Zizic and Yabs. The only player on the Bulls that would be helpful is Butler. That's where we are in this rebuild.

[MalagaBulls]

Bulls fan cometh again on a weekly visit, cuz I like this board and I post with respect. I have seen the need that Boston posters have stated for a big man. So I wanted to kindly ask your opinions on 2 big men the Bulls may or may not make available at the trade deadline:

1. Niko Mirotic - Extremely talented but has vastly underachieved (Very soft) in Chicago and maybe a change of scenery would do him good. He signed a hybrid MLE/rookie level contract and is a restricted FA after this season with the right to match any offer. Not sure how valueable that is but some teams overpay to keep their assets. The key to Niko is being motivated and in a flow. If not he makes some of the most boneheaded mistakes know to man. But with all that said maybe better caoching and a new environment can get the best out of him. He really needs to pack on some muscle. Can stretch the floor and has good "attack the rim" skills and can be developed into an average defender. But all this comes with the motivation factor and he has been benched this season with 2 DNP's.
2. Robin Lopez - good paint and rim protector and decent rebounder. He runs the floor ok for a big man but as Sully pointed out inanother post he is a space clogger. That plus he makes 13/14M for the next 2 additional which is average for his output if 9/10 PPG and 7/8 RPG.

Thoughts on which would better fit your O/D schemes and what you would propose as far as trade material?

We don't need either of them. We're chock full of decent to good players and we have interesting young prospects on the way in Zizic and Yabs. The only player on the Bulls that would be helpful is Butler. That's where we are in this rebuild.

OK, that is cool but I have seen several Celtic posters rehash the need for a decent 4/5 and particularly a 5. Maybe the reference to a mobile 5 was made to Noel from Phili but that is just IMHO.

[claycarver]

OK, that is cool but I have seen several Celtic posters rehash the need for a decent 4/5 and particularly a 5. Maybe the reference to a mobile 5 was made to Noel from Phili but that is just IMHO.

Right, we do need to upgrade the 5 so Noel is interesting. The players you've mentioned don't make us better. I think we need a very strong and mobile defensive focused 5 to play alongside Horford to take some of that pressure off him and to clean up some of the interior defense that gets by Isaiah.

Alternately, Kelly could just start playing like he did last night and we bring Zizic over. Then we're all good.

[MalagaBulls]

Bulls fan cometh again on a weekly visit, cuz I like this board and I post with respect. I have seen the need that Boston posters have stated for a big man. So I wanted to kindly ask your opinions on 2 big men the Bulls may or may not make available at the trade deadline:

1. Niko Mirotic - Extremely talented but has vastly underachieved (Very soft) in Chicago and maybe a change of scenery would do him good. He signed a hybrid MLE/rookie level contract and is a restricted FA after this season with the right to match any offer. Not sure how valueable that is but some teams overpay to keep their assets. The key to Niko is being motivated and in a flow. If not he makes some of the most boneheaded mistakes know to man. But with all that said maybe better caoching and a new environment can get the best out of him. He really needs to pack on some muscle. Can stretch the floor and has good "attack the rim" skills and can be developed into an average defender. But all this comes with the motivation factor and he has been benched this season with 2 DNP's.
2. Robin Lopez - good paint and rim protector and decent rebounder. He runs the floor ok for a big man but as Sully pointed out inanother post he is a space clogger. That plus he makes 13/14M for the next 2 additional which is average for his output if 9/10 PPG and 7/8 RPG.

Thoughts on which would better fit your O/D schemes and what you would propose as far as trade material?

We don't need either of them. We're chock full of decent to good players and we have interesting young prospects on the way in Zizic and Yabs. The only player on the Bulls that would be helpful is Butler. That's where we are in this rebuild.

I promised myself I would not get into trade proposal debates on other forums and so far it has been cool. The problem though (if by some miracle Butler is made available) will be in the cost to get him versus the ROI. Is he enough of a difference maker to move the needle to boost the Celtics past the Caveliers and seriously challenge the Dubs with your present roster as constructed? I say no. If it had been a scenario before the Free Agency period where you could have trade the Brooklyn 17 pick + to get Butler and then landed Durant instead of Al Horford now you are talking. But as it is he would probably get you to the ECF's and if your team really fired on all cylanders then maybe you would have a decent to very good pucnher's chance to knock out the Cavs.

[claycarver]

I promised myself I would not get into trade proposal debates on other forums and so far it has been cool. The problem though (if by some miracle Butler is made available) will be in the cost to get him versus the ROI. Is he enough of a difference maker to move the needle to boost the Celtics past the Caveliers and seriously challenge the Dubs with your present roster as constructed? I say no. If it had been a scenario before the Free Agency period where you could have trade the Brooklyn 17 pick + to get Butler and then landed Durant instead of Al Horford now you are talking. But as it is he would probably get you to the ECF's and if your team really fired on all cylanders then maybe you would have a decent to very good pucnher's chance to knock out the Cavs.

You're probably right. He'd cost too much and likely wouldn't leave us the assets we'd need to get other pieces to contend. We'd be much better to just sign Hayward in the offseason if we can.

But looking at the Bulls roster, Butler is the only player I'm interested.

[MalagaBulls]

I promised myself I would not get into trade proposal debates on other forums and so far it has been cool. The problem though (if by some miracle Butler is made available) will be in the cost to get him versus the ROI. Is he enough of a difference maker to move the needle to boost the Celtics past the Caveliers and seriously challenge the Dubs with your present roster as constructed? I say no. If it had been a scenario before the Free Agency period where you could have trade the Brooklyn 17 pick + to get Butler and then landed Durant instead of Al Horford now you are talking. But as it is he would probably get you to the ECF's and if your team really fired on all cylanders then maybe you would have a decent to very good pucnher's chance to knock out the Cavs.

You're probably right. He'd cost too much and likely wouldn't leave us the assets we'd need to get other pieces to contend. We'd be much better to just sign Hayward in the offseason if we can.

But looking at the Bulls roster, Butler is the only player I'm interested.

That good Sir is directly attributable to several years of having an inept and incompetent FO who are absolutely clueless on how to properly construct a roster in today's NBA. I have rehashed this ad nauseum on our board and a bit on yours but needless to say Daany Ainge is head and shoulders above the clown show we have. We have no assets, routinely draft unathletic and ill fitting players for our roster, and basically lucked into DRose in 08. Jimmy Butler is really the only steal we have had and drafted well since 2011. Oh well ......