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Post#741 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Nov 1, 2017 5:42 pm

We have a country in which Warren Buffett pays taxes at a much lower effective rate than his secretary, and all we can talk about is if some player stands, kneels or scratches himself during a song.
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Curmudgeon wrote:We have a country in which Warren Buffett pays taxes at a much lower effective rate than his secretary, and all we can talk about is if some player stands, kneels or scratches himself during a song.

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Post#743 » by Captain_Caveman » Wed Nov 1, 2017 5:46 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:We have a country in which Warren Buffett pays taxes at a much lower effective rate than his secretary, and all we can talk about is if some player stands, kneels or scratches himself during a song.


Was a watershed moment for me when Romney copped to only paying a 13% tax rate during the 2012 election, and no one cared.

Keep in mind that this figure was likely only his rate after every possible off-shore account, loophole and deduction for donations to the Mormon church and what have you.

Yeah, perfectly logical that some super rich guy should pay less than half the rate that normal people do, lmao.
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Post#744 » by Captain_Caveman » Wed Nov 1, 2017 5:49 pm

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theman wrote:Can we agree that at best the Houston Texans who took a knee were ignorant?



Why were they ignorant?


They don't know that that is an old say that has been around a long time and it does not mean they are prisoners.


Utterly preposterous that you would take McNair's side on this.

BTW, who do you pay to see when you go to a Patriots game, Brady or Kraft?
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Post#745 » by Captain_Caveman » Wed Nov 1, 2017 6:16 pm

Back to Trump for a minute, pretty clear by now that his administration is going to be fatally wounded by this. Right now, right in front of us, is the biggest scandal in American history. Life-long Republicans at the highest level of our law enforcement are currently executing an Elliott Ness-scale takedown of not just a Presidential administration, but very likely a major political party.

Millions of dollars from Russian oligarchy/mafia interest flowed into the war chests of GOP SuperPACs, many of the top elected GOP's war chests, and the GOP party itself. Millions in dollars in bribes were taken by senior campaign/administration officials, via under-the-table money routed through 3rd parties, shell companies, corrupt banks and offshore accounts. The databases and emails of US government agencies, private companies and an opposing campaign were hacked by Russian government-related parties, and then routed to the Trump campaign both indirectly through Wikileaks and directly to their paid data consultants, who then weaponized the voting records (actual past votes, not party affiliations) through targeted social media campaigns funded by Putin-connected financiers.

All done in return for major concessions on our foreign policy in places like the Ukraine, and for the relief in billions in sanctions against Russia.

This is real life. Not a movie or a conspiracy theory.

It is a scandal of unreal and unprecedented proportions, and regardless of how high the legal charges end up reaching, they are already one degree of separation from Trump to several members of his most innermost circle -- several of whom are already cooperating witnesses for the FBI.

The fact of the matter is that it is now just a matter of time. Trump is DONE.

Underline it. Say it three times. Make peace with it. Very unlikely that he will be President a year from today, and even that is a stretch. Once the GOP in Congress gets any sort of tax cuts passed through, they are going to run from this guy in droves.

Getcha popcorn ready, fellas. We ain't never seen anything like this before.
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Post#746 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Nov 1, 2017 6:31 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:We have a country in which Warren Buffett pays taxes at a much lower effective rate than his secretary, and all we can talk about is if some player stands, kneels or scratches himself during a song.


Was a watershed moment for me when Romney copped to only paying a 13% tax rate during the 2012 election, and no one cared.

Keep in mind that this figure was likely only his rate after every possible off-shore account, loophole and deduction for donations to the Mormon church and what have you.

Yeah, perfectly logical that some super rich guy should pay less than half the rate that normal people do, lmao.


Well, the lawyers at Ropes & Gray were very careful to explain that everything was legal-- and it was. The tax code is welfare for the rich. Cap gains are taxed at only 20% and the carried interest loophole allows ordinary income to be taxed at cap gain rates. And there are plenty of other loopholes and international tax havens like the Caymans or the Channel Islands.

And it's not just the federal government. In South Carolina (to cite just one example) there is a sales tax cap, so that the working guy (or gal) buying a Nissan Sentra pays the same sales tax as rich folks pay on a top-end Merceders or BMW that costs 5-6 times as much. Or how about Puerto Rico, where the tax on dividends and cap gains is miniscule: https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurengensler/2015/02/11/puerto-rico-new-age-tax-haven/#6b2ef51657c9
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Post#747 » by Andrew McCeltic » Thu Nov 2, 2017 4:56 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:Back to Trump for a minute, pretty clear by now that his administration is going to be fatally wounded by this. Right now, right in front of us, is the biggest scandal in American history. Life-long Republicans at the highest level of our law enforcement are currently executing an Elliott Ness-scale takedown of not just a Presidential administration, but very likely a major political party.

Millions of dollars from Russian oligarchy/mafia interest flowed into the war chests of GOP SuperPACs, many of the top elected GOP's war chests, and the GOP party itself. Millions in dollars in bribes were taken by senior campaign/administration officials, via under-the-table money routed through 3rd parties, shell companies, corrupt banks and offshore accounts. The databases and emails of US government agencies, private companies and an opposing campaign were hacked by Russian government-related parties, and then routed to the Trump campaign both indirectly through Wikileaks and directly to their paid data consultants, who then weaponized the voting records (actual past votes, not party affiliations) through targeted social media campaigns funded by Putin-connected financiers.

All done in return for major concessions on our foreign policy in places like the Ukraine, and for the relief in billions in sanctions against Russia.

This is real life. Not a movie or a conspiracy theory.

It is a scandal of unreal and unprecedented proportions, and regardless of how high the legal charges end up reaching, they are already one degree of separation from Trump to several members of his most innermost circle -- several of whom are already cooperating witnesses for the FBI.

The fact of the matter is that it is now just a matter of time. Trump is DONE.

Underline it. Say it three times. Make peace with it. Very unlikely that he will be President a year from today, and even that is a stretch. Once the GOP in Congress gets any sort of tax cuts passed through, they are going to run from this guy in droves.

Getcha popcorn ready, fellas. We ain't never seen anything like this before.


Is this take shared by your Republican operative friend?

People who took donations weren’t necessarily coordinating with each other, or Russia...
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Post#748 » by Andrew McCeltic » Thu Nov 2, 2017 4:58 am

Here’s another problem - Roughly 75-80 percent of Trump voters think the Russian collusion allegations are fake, and also that even if they were true, Trump shouldn’t be impeached.

We’re in bizarro world of propagandized idiots who don’t understand or care about our system or our laws.
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Post#749 » by Captain_Caveman » Thu Nov 2, 2017 5:17 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Back to Trump for a minute, pretty clear by now that his administration is going to be fatally wounded by this. Right now, right in front of us, is the biggest scandal in American history. Life-long Republicans at the highest level of our law enforcement are currently executing an Elliott Ness-scale takedown of not just a Presidential administration, but very likely a major political party.

Millions of dollars from Russian oligarchy/mafia interest flowed into the war chests of GOP SuperPACs, many of the top elected GOP's war chests, and the GOP party itself. Millions in dollars in bribes were taken by senior campaign/administration officials, via under-the-table money routed through 3rd parties, shell companies, corrupt banks and offshore accounts. The databases and emails of US government agencies, private companies and an opposing campaign were hacked by Russian government-related parties, and then routed to the Trump campaign both indirectly through Wikileaks and directly to their paid data consultants, who then weaponized the voting records (actual past votes, not party affiliations) through targeted social media campaigns funded by Putin-connected financiers.

All done in return for major concessions on our foreign policy in places like the Ukraine, and for the relief in billions in sanctions against Russia.

This is real life. Not a movie or a conspiracy theory.

It is a scandal of unreal and unprecedented proportions, and regardless of how high the legal charges end up reaching, they are already one degree of separation from Trump to several members of his most innermost circle -- several of whom are already cooperating witnesses for the FBI.

The fact of the matter is that it is now just a matter of time. Trump is DONE.

Underline it. Say it three times. Make peace with it. Very unlikely that he will be President a year from today, and even that is a stretch. Once the GOP in Congress gets any sort of tax cuts passed through, they are going to run from this guy in droves.

Getcha popcorn ready, fellas. We ain't never seen anything like this before.


Is this take shared by your Republican operative friend?

People who took donations weren’t necessarily coordinating with each other, or Russia...


Always has been. His guy was effectively offered the co-Presidency by Trump and flatly turned it down. Told me several times that either nominee would be impeached first term.

As to donations, we are talking big money in many cases, and coordinated campaigning for downticket races with Russian money any reasonable person should have assumed was dirty. Why is that even surprising? Some may survive, but good luck to them.
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Post#750 » by Captain_Caveman » Thu Nov 2, 2017 5:19 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Here’s another problem - Roughly 75-80 percent of Trump voters think the Russian collusion allegations are fake, and also that even if they were true, Trump shouldn’t be impeached.

We’re in bizarro world of propagandized idiots who don’t understand or care about our system or our laws.


Doesn't matter. Nixon left office with a 24% approval rating, and he was a far more competent President with a far less criminal offense.
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Post#751 » by djFan71 » Thu Nov 2, 2017 6:39 am

Spoiler:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Back to Trump for a minute, pretty clear by now that his administration is going to be fatally wounded by this. Right now, right in front of us, is the biggest scandal in American history. Life-long Republicans at the highest level of our law enforcement are currently executing an Elliott Ness-scale takedown of not just a Presidential administration, but very likely a major political party.

Millions of dollars from Russian oligarchy/mafia interest flowed into the war chests of GOP SuperPACs, many of the top elected GOP's war chests, and the GOP party itself. Millions in dollars in bribes were taken by senior campaign/administration officials, via under-the-table money routed through 3rd parties, shell companies, corrupt banks and offshore accounts. The databases and emails of US government agencies, private companies and an opposing campaign were hacked by Russian government-related parties, and then routed to the Trump campaign both indirectly through Wikileaks and directly to their paid data consultants, who then weaponized the voting records (actual past votes, not party affiliations) through targeted social media campaigns funded by Putin-connected financiers.

All done in return for major concessions on our foreign policy in places like the Ukraine, and for the relief in billions in sanctions against Russia.

This is real life. Not a movie or a conspiracy theory.

It is a scandal of unreal and unprecedented proportions, and regardless of how high the legal charges end up reaching, they are already one degree of separation from Trump to several members of his most innermost circle -- several of whom are already cooperating witnesses for the FBI.

The fact of the matter is that it is now just a matter of time. Trump is DONE.

Underline it. Say it three times. Make peace with it. Very unlikely that he will be President a year from today, and even that is a stretch. Once the GOP in Congress gets any sort of tax cuts passed through, they are going to run from this guy in droves.

Getcha popcorn ready, fellas. We ain't never seen anything like this before.

Slightly OT, but, Cave, what are your main news sources? I always appreciate your posts and info, but wonder how/where you get it all (and still manage to find the time to burn the GB to the ground when it strikes your fancy).
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Post#752 » by truth18 » Thu Nov 2, 2017 11:32 am

djFan71 wrote:
Spoiler:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Back to Trump for a minute, pretty clear by now that his administration is going to be fatally wounded by this. Right now, right in front of us, is the biggest scandal in American history. Life-long Republicans at the highest level of our law enforcement are currently executing an Elliott Ness-scale takedown of not just a Presidential administration, but very likely a major political party.

Millions of dollars from Russian oligarchy/mafia interest flowed into the war chests of GOP SuperPACs, many of the top elected GOP's war chests, and the GOP party itself. Millions in dollars in bribes were taken by senior campaign/administration officials, via under-the-table money routed through 3rd parties, shell companies, corrupt banks and offshore accounts. The databases and emails of US government agencies, private companies and an opposing campaign were hacked by Russian government-related parties, and then routed to the Trump campaign both indirectly through Wikileaks and directly to their paid data consultants, who then weaponized the voting records (actual past votes, not party affiliations) through targeted social media campaigns funded by Putin-connected financiers.

All done in return for major concessions on our foreign policy in places like the Ukraine, and for the relief in billions in sanctions against Russia.

This is real life. Not a movie or a conspiracy theory.

It is a scandal of unreal and unprecedented proportions, and regardless of how high the legal charges end up reaching, they are already one degree of separation from Trump to several members of his most innermost circle -- several of whom are already cooperating witnesses for the FBI.

The fact of the matter is that it is now just a matter of time. Trump is DONE.

Underline it. Say it three times. Make peace with it. Very unlikely that he will be President a year from today, and even that is a stretch. Once the GOP in Congress gets any sort of tax cuts passed through, they are going to run from this guy in droves.

Getcha popcorn ready, fellas. We ain't never seen anything like this before.

Slightly OT, but, Cave, what are your main news sources? I always appreciate your posts and info, but wonder how/where you get it all (and still manage to find the time to burn the GB to the ground when it strikes your fancy).


I'm not Cave but I mainly read The Atlantic, Politico, the New York Times and The Economist.
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Post#753 » by theman » Thu Nov 2, 2017 1:25 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:The U.S. is a nation of immigrants. We stole the country from the people who were here, and killed the ones who resisted.


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Post#754 » by theman » Thu Nov 2, 2017 1:31 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:C'mon man. Either way it's an owner being derogatory towards his players. Did the players overreact? Possibly. Did the owner put his foot in his mouth? Definitely.


So, because the players have a problem with the owner they are going to disrespect the Anthem. That is sick. It would be like me spitting in your mother's face because someone cut me off in traffic.

If the players have a problem with the owner that is where it should start and end. They could demand a trade, quit, in the press conference call the owner an ass. But they didn't do that. Instead, they went with the "look at me" route. That is fine. As NFL revenues fall so will the players' salaries. Unfortunately, they are hurting the next generation of players and not themselves.
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Post#755 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Nov 2, 2017 1:33 pm

theman wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:C'mon man. Either way it's an owner being derogatory towards his players. Did the players overreact? Possibly. Did the owner put his foot in his mouth? Definitely.


So, because the players have a problem with the owner they are going to disrespect the Anthem. That is sick. It would be like me spitting in your mother's face because someone cut me off in traffic.

If the players have a problem with the owner that is where it should start and end. They could demand a trade, quit, in the press conference call the owner an ass. But they didn't do that. Instead, they went with the "look at me" route. That is fine. As NFL revenues fall so will the players' salaries. Unfortunately, they are hurting the next generation of players and not themselves.


Except that the anthem was the issue that gave rise to the owner's derogatory comment.
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Post#756 » by theman » Thu Nov 2, 2017 1:35 pm

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Yes, the outrage over athletes taking advantage of their constitutional rights is ridiculous.


This bull **** again?
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Post#757 » by theman » Thu Nov 2, 2017 1:40 pm

CavemanDoctor wrote:I get that you were trying to mock Curmudgeon with this but your post really is telling.

People watch games to watch athletes. No one cares about the owners.

Why are you a Celtics fan? Do you just really dig Wyc's hair?


Most people cheer for laundry.

I imagine you are a much bigger fan of Kyrie Irving now that he is a Celtic than when he was a Cavalier. Read the comments on this board. Players magically become more talented and better people once they become a Celtics. Or does Wyc's magical hair make that happen?
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Post#758 » by Captain_Caveman » Thu Nov 2, 2017 3:46 pm

djFan71 wrote:
Spoiler:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Back to Trump for a minute, pretty clear by now that his administration is going to be fatally wounded by this. Right now, right in front of us, is the biggest scandal in American history. Life-long Republicans at the highest level of our law enforcement are currently executing an Elliott Ness-scale takedown of not just a Presidential administration, but very likely a major political party.

Millions of dollars from Russian oligarchy/mafia interest flowed into the war chests of GOP SuperPACs, many of the top elected GOP's war chests, and the GOP party itself. Millions in dollars in bribes were taken by senior campaign/administration officials, via under-the-table money routed through 3rd parties, shell companies, corrupt banks and offshore accounts. The databases and emails of US government agencies, private companies and an opposing campaign were hacked by Russian government-related parties, and then routed to the Trump campaign both indirectly through Wikileaks and directly to their paid data consultants, who then weaponized the voting records (actual past votes, not party affiliations) through targeted social media campaigns funded by Putin-connected financiers.

All done in return for major concessions on our foreign policy in places like the Ukraine, and for the relief in billions in sanctions against Russia.

This is real life. Not a movie or a conspiracy theory.

It is a scandal of unreal and unprecedented proportions, and regardless of how high the legal charges end up reaching, they are already one degree of separation from Trump to several members of his most innermost circle -- several of whom are already cooperating witnesses for the FBI.

The fact of the matter is that it is now just a matter of time. Trump is DONE.

Underline it. Say it three times. Make peace with it. Very unlikely that he will be President a year from today, and even that is a stretch. Once the GOP in Congress gets any sort of tax cuts passed through, they are going to run from this guy in droves.

Getcha popcorn ready, fellas. We ain't never seen anything like this before.

Slightly OT, but, Cave, what are your main news sources? I always appreciate your posts and info, but wonder how/where you get it all (and still manage to find the time to burn the GB to the ground when it strikes your fancy).


Mostly, I don't consume the "news", which as it has with sports, has largely degenerated to infotainment. I'm an educated guy with family in law enforcement, and the biggest news is often just the comments of officials themselves. Or the headlines that they are bringing in a battalion of top-level prosecutors with specific experience in going after the mafia, cybercrimes, money laundering and even who participated in Watergate.

This guy's entire administration is next-level screwed.

As to news sources, I check headlines and scan *actual* news articles on CNN, BBC, NYT and WaPo, more or less. I do not read or watch op-eds or talking heads. Maybe the Economist, maybe Friedman. I guess Maddow is all over this, but I have watched less than an hour of MSNBC and Fox News combined in my entire life. Used to watch Charlie Rose, but haven't since the election. Just give me the data, I can think for myself. I don't need the spin, and there is **** loads of it out there right now, especially from the Fox News side. LOL @ these weakass attempts to deflect with manufactured scandals about uranium and Hillary funding *legitimate* oppo research on Trump.

One of the better sources for what is happening, and what is about to happen, has actually been twitter. Gotta watch the signal to noise ratio there, but literally everything that has happened so far has been leaked by various accounts, be they rumormongers or actual reporters. Twitter whispers have become twitter shouts.

A friend texted me the other day that he felt like we had already binge-watched the whole series, and that everyone else was just getting around to the first episode. I replied, "Wait until the get to the Red Wedding."

Winter is coming, and given how arrogant and lost in the woods they have gotten, the Republicans and their voters deserve every **** bit of it. As someone who has never spent a day affiliated with a political party, there is no need to pull punches here IMO. The current version of the GOP is straight-up evil top to bottom. Worse, they are completely incompetent. Literally not one redeeming quality, even by their own standards and ideology. They are acting like bad human beings and worse Americans, and this brand of hateful, selfish, racist, no-morals, no-ideology, no-accountability, and failed foreign, domestic and economic policy BS needs to get burned alive and buried forever. They are better than that, and so are we.
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Post#759 » by 165bows » Thu Nov 2, 2017 4:27 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
djFan71 wrote:
Spoiler:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Back to Trump for a minute, pretty clear by now that his administration is going to be fatally wounded by this. Right now, right in front of us, is the biggest scandal in American history. Life-long Republicans at the highest level of our law enforcement are currently executing an Elliott Ness-scale takedown of not just a Presidential administration, but very likely a major political party.

Millions of dollars from Russian oligarchy/mafia interest flowed into the war chests of GOP SuperPACs, many of the top elected GOP's war chests, and the GOP party itself. Millions in dollars in bribes were taken by senior campaign/administration officials, via under-the-table money routed through 3rd parties, shell companies, corrupt banks and offshore accounts. The databases and emails of US government agencies, private companies and an opposing campaign were hacked by Russian government-related parties, and then routed to the Trump campaign both indirectly through Wikileaks and directly to their paid data consultants, who then weaponized the voting records (actual past votes, not party affiliations) through targeted social media campaigns funded by Putin-connected financiers.

All done in return for major concessions on our foreign policy in places like the Ukraine, and for the relief in billions in sanctions against Russia.

This is real life. Not a movie or a conspiracy theory.

It is a scandal of unreal and unprecedented proportions, and regardless of how high the legal charges end up reaching, they are already one degree of separation from Trump to several members of his most innermost circle -- several of whom are already cooperating witnesses for the FBI.

The fact of the matter is that it is now just a matter of time. Trump is DONE.

Underline it. Say it three times. Make peace with it. Very unlikely that he will be President a year from today, and even that is a stretch. Once the GOP in Congress gets any sort of tax cuts passed through, they are going to run from this guy in droves.

Getcha popcorn ready, fellas. We ain't never seen anything like this before.

Slightly OT, but, Cave, what are your main news sources? I always appreciate your posts and info, but wonder how/where you get it all (and still manage to find the time to burn the GB to the ground when it strikes your fancy).


Mostly, I don't consume the "news", which as it has with sports, has largely degenerated to infotainment. I'm an educated guy with family in law enforcement, and the biggest news is often just the comments of officials themselves. Or the headlines that they are bringing in a battalion of top-level prosecutors with specific experience in going after the mafia, cybercrimes, money laundering and even who participated in Watergate.

This guy's entire administration is next-level screwed.

As to news sources, I check headlines and scan *actual* news articles on CNN, BBC, NYT and WaPo, more or less. I do not read or watch op-eds or talking heads. Maybe the Economist, maybe Friedman. I guess Maddow is all over this, but I have watched less than an hour of MSNBC and Fox News combined in my entire life. Used to watch Charlie Rose, but haven't since the election. Just give me the data, I can think for myself. I don't need the spin, and there is **** loads of it out there right now, especially from the Fox News side. LOL @ these weakass attempts to deflect with manufactured scandals about uranium and Hillary funding *legitimate* oppo research on Trump.

One of the better sources for what is happening, and what is about to happen, has actually been twitter. Gotta watch the signal to noise ratio there, but literally everything that has happened so far has been leaked by various accounts, be they rumormongers or actual reporters. Twitter whispers have become twitter shouts.

A friend texted me the other day that he felt like we had already binge-watched the whole series, and that everyone else was just getting around to the first episode. I replied, "Wait until the get to the Red Wedding."

Winter is coming, and given how arrogant and lost in the woods they have gotten, the Republicans and their voters deserve every **** bit of it. As someone who has never spent a day affiliated with a political party, there is no need to pull punches here IMO. The current version of the GOP is straight-up evil top to bottom. Worse, they are completely incompetent. Literally not one redeeming quality, even by their own standards and ideology. They are acting like bad human beings and worse Americans, and this brand of hateful, selfish, racist, no-morals, no-ideology, no-accountability, and failed foreign, domestic and economic policy BS needs to get burned alive and buried forever. They are better than that, and so are we.

This sounds like someone that gets their news from twitter would sound like.
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165bows wrote:This sounds like someone that gets their news from twitter would sound like.


Meh, there are plenty of smart guys who post here. I am one of them and have multiple degrees from top schools, not the University of Facebook or Fox News State.

Yes, you must obviously pay great heed to the signal-to-noise ratio on twitter, just as we do on this board with countless basketball rumors. I mean, how many trades have broken on twitter? Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater here, it's just a medium. If were are talking D3ADMIK3 or whatever his name was, yes, not credible on the Celts. But there are other accounts who have been veritable oracles, and in the bigger picture, little has happened that hasn't been rumored widely beforehand on twitter.

I am curious as to what YOU think is happening here, though. Do you get the severity of what is transpiring? At the very least, we are talking about his campaign manager and his former National Security Advisor going to prison (and it won't be the least). Manafort and Flynn are the equivalent of Karl Rove and Condi Rice for George W Bush, or Kissinger for Nixon in just Flynn's case.

This is extraordinary. People are wearing wires and cooperating with the FBI. You can read the source documents of these indictments yourself online (I recommend Twitter, if that's not too low-brow for you). We are talking money laundering from the Russians, bribes and secret meetings with hostile foreign governments. From an FBI investigation led by lifelong Republicans appointed by George Bush, and not Hillary or CNN.

So, I ask you, what do YOU think is happening here?

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