Kawhi Thread, Numero 4 -- Traded to Raptors for DeRozan, others

[jmr07019]

Ryen Risillo didn’t get into specifics but briefly mentioned he thinks Kyrie leaving is a real possibility next summer. Gut wrenching to hear because he’s plugged in. Have any of our guys hear said anything about that?

All year long, Russillo said that LeBron was staying in Cleveland, doubling down multiple times in the winter and spring. I dont trust his ‘sources’ at all.

To be fair, he said they were very much in the mix. Doesn’t mean there was no truth to it. I find it hard to believe, but it did sound like they tried to get another star to come.

I thought you 2 were the same person? You forget to take your meds this morning or something?

[FlatearthZorro]

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Damn, Kanter has no chill. Silver is a weasel. This could come back to haunt him in the near future.

[SmartWentCrazy]

It’s low-risk, but suffice to say, I have gone over the top mocking his supporters for years based on what I have heard about him, and have been proven completely correct so far.

Back when the rest of you guys wanted to give up 2-3 Nets picks for him, I LOL’d and said I wouldn’t take him for free, even if the Kings threw in their lottery pick.

He’s a **** loser and a scumbag and a career loser halfway through a career. He is so so hated by so many people who have been around him, and crumbles at the first sign of adversity every single time. It will happen again.

Again, I told you so.

I was always under the impression that your input on Boogie came from GSW brass or similar... if that's the case, how does all that reconcile with them signing him? Just because it is a very low-risk situation?

It came from multiple people and multiple NorCal teams over multiple years. Ws have a position of need, and an established vet team that may serve to limit his damage in the locker room. Low-risk on their end, but not an impact player.

Wouldnt be shocked at all if hes cut in March, to be honest. Cant see him accepting a 20 MPG role happily.

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Yep, if Kawhi doesn't waive the trade kicker, we need to get the salary to 21 mil. Which means Smart S&T, Terry, Morris, Nader, Yabu and the picks could get us to like 19 which under the CBA should work right?

How much are you assuming for the Smart S&T, recalling of course that only 50% counts for the Celtics' end of the match? And what salary do you presume he's traded for (100% of his salary counts at that end)? Where does that salary go?

Smart at 12 mils, it'd get us to about 18 mils. Morris- 5, Smart-6, Terry is at around 5 in his last year, Nader 1.5 not guaranteed, and then Yabu at around 2 mils.

OK. Ignoring any questions about trading both our backup PGs -- who is absorbing Smart's $12 million of salary?

[FlatearthZorro]

How much are you assuming for the Smart S&T, recalling of course that only 50% counts for the Celtics' end of the match? And what salary do you presume he's traded for (100% of his salary counts at that end)? Where does that salary go?

Smart at 12 mils, it'd get us to about 18 mils. Morris- 5, Smart-6, Terry is at around 5 in his last year, Nader 1.5 not guaranteed, and then Yabu at around 2 mils.

OK. Ignoring any questions about trading both our backup PGs -- who is absorbing Smart's $12 million of salary?

Collison is still on the market and we have Wannamaker. Kawhi is a top 5 player and this would be a no-brainer if it's on the table.

On the other hand, the Pacers could be ok with Smart at 12 mils. We will see, it's hypothetical and not very likely unless the Spurs are very fed up with the Lakers' FO.

[Tyakack]

It's been mighty quiet on the kawhi front the last couple of days or so.

[celticfan42487]

It's been mighty quiet on the kawhi front the last couple of days or so.

I legit think we won't see a Kawhi trade this off season.

LA has clearly moved on with LeBron letting them know they'll get him for free next season guaranteed.

And honestly if I'm Ainge or Philly... yeah I'm not betting against LeBron and trading anything for Kawhi. LeBron doesn't throw away a year of his few remaining prime without being 100% certain the others will sign next year and he'll keep Ingram and Ball for free.

At this point SA best option is to wait to the trade deadline and hope someone gets desperate to give them anything for him.

Whos to say the Pelicans at the trade deadline won't trade 3 future first rounders to SA for Kawhi only to have him refuse to play for them and sit out the rest of the season. They're desperate enough.

[williambh3]

Smart at 12 mils, it'd get us to about 18 mils. Morris- 5, Smart-6, Terry is at around 5 in his last year, Nader 1.5 not guaranteed, and then Yabu at around 2 mils.

OK. Ignoring any questions about trading both our backup PGs -- who is absorbing Smart's $12 million of salary?

Collison is still on the market and we have Wannamaker. Kawhi is a top 5 player and this would be a no-brainer if it's on the table.

On the other hand, the Pacers could be ok with Smart at 12 mils. We will see, it's hypothetical and not very likely unless the Spurs are very fed up with the Lakers' FO.

Hopefully we use the soft market to bring back Smart on a team-friendly long-term deal.

I think we can use Monroe S&T to match contracts. 1-yr deal counts dollar for dollar in trade matching up to $5.99m (which would be less than a 20% raise). Someone please correct me if wrong.

Need to get to $15.1m to match assuming he waives kicker.

Monroe/Morris/Rozier/Yabusele matches easily, add picks

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Smart at 12 mils, it'd get us to about 18 mils. Morris- 5, Smart-6, Terry is at around 5 in his last year, Nader 1.5 not guaranteed, and then Yabu at around 2 mils.

OK. Ignoring any questions about trading both our backup PGs -- who is absorbing Smart's $12 million of salary?

Collison is still on the market and we have Wannamaker. Kawhi is a top 5 player and this would be a no-brainer if it's on the table.

On the other hand, the Pacers could be ok with Smart at 12 mils. We will see, it's hypothetical and not very likely unless the Spurs are very fed up with the Lakers' FO.

I believe that, like almost all other teams, the Pacers (no longer) have that amount of cap room.

[Froob]

All year long, Russillo said that LeBron was staying in Cleveland, doubling down multiple times in the winter and spring. I dont trust his ‘sources’ at all.

To be fair, he said they were very much in the mix. Doesn’t mean there was no truth to it. I find it hard to believe, but it did sound like they tried to get another star to come.

I thought you 2 were the same person? You forget to take your meds this morning or something?

Thought everyone forgot about my burners haha.

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[FlatearthZorro]

OK. Ignoring any questions about trading both our backup PGs -- who is absorbing Smart's $12 million of salary?

Collison is still on the market and we have Wannamaker. Kawhi is a top 5 player and this would be a no-brainer if it's on the table.

On the other hand, the Pacers could be ok with Smart at 12 mils. We will see, it's hypothetical and not very likely unless the Spurs are very fed up with the Lakers' FO.

I believe that, like almost all other teams, the Pacers (no longer) have that amount of cap room.

Did they sign any1?

[Froob]

I know you guys hate Mannix but, he is outta the Woj tree

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[truth18]

I know you guys hate Mannix but, he is outta the Woj tree

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Mannix is trash. He says in the tweet that Cousins' people contacted our FO. That means nothing. Sounds like they contacted most FOs.

[Green89]

Wow, over 20 minutes without a post. This thread is stone cold.

[TA42]

It’s low-risk, but suffice to say, I have gone over the top mocking his supporters for years based on what I have heard about him, and have been proven completely correct so far.

Back when the rest of you guys wanted to give up 2-3 Nets picks for him, I LOL’d and said I wouldn’t take him for free, even if the Kings threw in their lottery pick.

He’s a **** loser and a scumbag and a career loser halfway through a career. He is so so hated by so many people who have been around him, and crumbles at the first sign of adversity every single time. It will happen again.

Again, I told you so.

I was always under the impression that your input on Boogie came from GSW brass or similar... if that's the case, how does all that reconcile with them signing him? Just because it is a very low-risk situation?

It came from multiple people and multiple NorCal teams over multiple years. Ws have a position of need, and an established vet team that may serve to limit his damage in the locker room. Low-risk on their end, but not an impact player.

Agree completely.

Plus in the grand scheme of things if Cousins is remotely healthy he should in theory be motivated to prove himself for another contract. That team is so focused on winning that they won't let him disrupt their chemistry. First signs of issues and they can easily just send him home and cut their losses.

Tells you a lot that there are a ton of teams who refuse to entertain him as a free agent even if healthy. Now add in the potential for a seriously career altering injury and any pluses he may have had are gone.

[Tyakack]

It's been mighty quiet on the kawhi front the last couple of days or so.

I legit think we won't see a Kawhi trade this off season.

LA has clearly moved on with LeBron letting them know they'll get him for free next season guaranteed.

And honestly if I'm Ainge or Philly... yeah I'm not betting against LeBron and trading anything for Kawhi. LeBron doesn't throw away a year of his few remaining prime without being 100% certain the others will sign next year and he'll keep Ingram and Ball for free.

At this point SA best option is to wait to the trade deadline and hope someone gets desperate to give them anything for him.

Whos to say the Pelicans at the trade deadline won't trade 3 future first rounders to SA for Kawhi only to have him refuse to play for them and sit out the rest of the season. They're desperate enough.

I'm not so sure the spurs want leonard there to start the season. I think they are done with him. Like, completely done. I actually think the waiting game has a decent chance to backfire on them if leonard gets traded to a really good team that he ends up liking.

Minds can change. Especially over the course of an entire year. I do agree however that we shouldn't give up too much for him at this point. Unless he agrees on extension the spurs aren't getting much.

I would still give up one valuable pick and a couple of other picks and then just match salaries with players we can do without forr a chance of convincing leonard to stay. And also a very very strong one year chance at the very least for banner 18.

[Fencer reregistered]

It's been mighty quiet on the kawhi front the last couple of days or so.

I legit think we won't see a Kawhi trade this off season.

LA has clearly moved on with LeBron letting them know they'll get him for free next season guaranteed.

And honestly if I'm Ainge or Philly... yeah I'm not betting against LeBron and trading anything for Kawhi. LeBron doesn't throw away a year of his few remaining prime without being 100% certain the others will sign next year and he'll keep Ingram and Ball for free.

At this point SA best option is to wait to the trade deadline and hope someone gets desperate to give them anything for him.

Whos to say the Pelicans at the trade deadline won't trade 3 future first rounders to SA for Kawhi only to have him refuse to play for them and sit out the rest of the season. They're desperate enough.

I'm not so sure the spurs want leonard there to start the season. I think they are done with him. Like, completely done. I actually think the waiting game has a decent chance to backfire on them if leonard gets traded to a really good team that he ends up liking.

Minds can change. Especially over the course of an entire year. I do agree however that we shouldn't give up too much for him at this point. Unless he agrees on extension the spurs aren't getting much.

I would still give up one valuable pick and a couple of other picks and then just match salaries with players we can do without forr a chance of convincing leonard to stay. And also a very very strong one year chance at the very least for banner 18.

Possible complications and impediments include:
-- We might need to manufacture a Monroe S&T to make it happen.
-- There would then be the draft pick cost of accounting for Monroe's salary, unless San Antonio just absorbed an overpay for him themselves.
-- We might be more willing to trade Rozier if Smart were signed long term.
-- Luxury tax implications might arise, especially if Smart is signed for more than a QO.

[K For Three]

Buzz on LA seems to be dying down a bit?

Insiders here may be right, in that if something happens it might linger till mid to late July.


Also why in the world would you want to go play in the Warriors backyard to begin with? Massachusetts is at least as far away as you can get lol.

[chrisab123]

I legit think we won't see a Kawhi trade this off season.

LA has clearly moved on with LeBron letting them know they'll get him for free next season guaranteed.

And honestly if I'm Ainge or Philly... yeah I'm not betting against LeBron and trading anything for Kawhi. LeBron doesn't throw away a year of his few remaining prime without being 100% certain the others will sign next year and he'll keep Ingram and Ball for free.

At this point SA best option is to wait to the trade deadline and hope someone gets desperate to give them anything for him.

Whos to say the Pelicans at the trade deadline won't trade 3 future first rounders to SA for Kawhi only to have him refuse to play for them and sit out the rest of the season. They're desperate enough.

I'm not so sure the spurs want leonard there to start the season. I think they are done with him. Like, completely done. I actually think the waiting game has a decent chance to backfire on them if leonard gets traded to a really good team that he ends up liking.

Minds can change. Especially over the course of an entire year. I do agree however that we shouldn't give up too much for him at this point. Unless he agrees on extension the spurs aren't getting much.

I would still give up one valuable pick and a couple of other picks and then just match salaries with players we can do without forr a chance of convincing leonard to stay. And also a very very strong one year chance at the very least for banner 18.

Possible complications and impediments include:
-- We might need to manufacture a Monroe S&T to make it happen.
-- There would then be the draft pick cost of accounting for Monroe's salary, unless San Antonio just absorbed an overpay for him themselves.
-- We might be more willing to trade Rozier if Smart were signed long term.
-- Luxury tax implications might arise, especially if Smart is signed for more than a QO.

Can they S&T Monroe if he only played under half a season here? Can they combine Monroe with another couple players still?