bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Also if they struck it big with Kokek, they could move out from DREW, let's say, if the Celts don't win the Title this season they make him the starter and get what they can for Holiday?
We're not gonna start Tyler Kolek right out of the gate as a rookie at PG.
If we draft Kolek and he ends up starting for us, it wouldn't be until his 2nd season at the earliest (probably not till 3rd season).
Even then, it's a longshot that he would start for us. I'm not sure he can defend at the NBA level, or that he has enough burst/athleticism/size to create separation from his man, pressure the rim, finish around the rim at the NBA level.
He's a good player..but I could see him being maybe like a backup PG who comes in and brings some energy and can put some points on the board with his shooting and passing.
But I also don't see the Celtics keeping their 1st round pick..
If we strike it big with Kolek, we won't know that we struck it big with him until after his first 1 or 2 seasons in thew NBA. We need to make a decision about Jrue's contract way sooner than that.
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Also if they struck it big with Kokek, they could move out from DREW, let's say, if the Celts don't win the Title this season they make him the starter and get what they can for Holiday?
C'mon now. We're not gonna start Tyler Kolek right out of the gate as a rookie at PG.
If we draft Kolek and he ends up starting for us, it wouldn't be until his 2nd season at the earliest (probably not till 3rd season).
Even then, it's a longshot that he would start for us. I'm not sure he can defend at the NBA level, or that he has enough burst/athleticism/size to create separation from his man, pressure the rim, finish around the rim at the NBA level.
He's a good player..but I could see him being maybe like a backup PG who comes in and brings some energy and can put some points on the board with his shooting and passing.
But I also don't see the Celtics keeping their 1st round pick..
Obviously Hal, they are not starting him "out of the gate." He'd apprentice under DREW and eventually replace him, if he's the real deal.
Yeah, it's so hard to tell, Hal, but he seems to rebound and there are mentions that he is good defensively. I just have good vibes about him and it's the 30th Pick. Someone warty is coming, whomever they draft.
Yeah they could trade (and should) deal this Pick: GFIN, the sooner the better.
I also like the African phenom, Ulrich Chomche, looks like an extremely promising but very raw Big Man who could be fantastic in about 4 years.
Ok, here's where I'm at with our draft pick situation.
Thinking we go for a PF and/or C type of guy.
I mentioned Lefteris Mantzoukas on the previous page but I'll put here as a spoiler so it's easier for folks to refer back to it:
Spoiler:
Hal14 wrote:Idk, this early it's hard to tell what direction the C's might go in this draft. We have Walsh who we're developing as a wing. At the wing we also have the jays and Hauser.
In the backcourt it'll be tough for anyone we draft to get minutes, behind Jrue, White and Pritchard (plus both Jays can play guard)..we have JD and he can't get mins even though he's basically dominating the G league - not sure any guard we get would be better than JD.
I think the best bet is to draft a PF/C type. Ideally someone who can shoot. It remains to be seen whether Kornet or Queta will be on he team next year. Horford only has 1 yr left on his contract after this one and will be 38 next season. KP has injury concerns.
One guy I have on my radar right now for the Celtics is Lefteris Mantzoukas (yes, he's Greek). He's a guy who will likely be available in the 2nd round. He's a PF who could potentially play some small ball 5. He's in the mold of Grant Williams/Georges Niang/Maxi Kleber.
6'9" wide bodied guy, doesn't have the best athleticism or quickness. But he is pretty quick. Good feel for the game, basketball IQ. Decent defender, can score off the dribble a little bit, battle for rebounds. But the main sell with him is the combination of size (6'9") + strong, wide bodied frame + shooting (56.3% from 3 on the season) + experience playing 3 years now in the EuroLeague (total of 51 EuroLeague games and counting)..that's a lot of EuroLeague experience for a guy who's still only 20 yrs old.
He was also a standout player for Greece at the FIBA U20 tournament last summer.
I also like the flexibility he comes with. If he looks good in summer league and looking like a guy who could potentially contribute for us as a rookie, then you give him a rookie deal. But if not, then of course he's a guy who you could just stash overseas and he would continue playing for one of the top overseas teams in highly competitive leagues.
The other prospect I like for us who is kind of similar to Mantzoukas (6'8" or 6'9" PF type of guy who can really shoot it but limited in other areas of the game and limited in terms of athleticism but high IQ, good fundamentals) is a guy who more people on here are probably familiar with since he plays at UConn.
Alex Karaban.
If you've watched him a decent amount, you know he's a winning player, very smart player, high IQ, plays team basketball. A good with pretty good size who can really shoot it. His defense is pretty good but I have questions about how he can defend stronger/more athletic guys in the NBA..but hey, that's why he'll likely still be there in the 2nd round, where we are trying to find a hidden gem (again, assuming we trade our 1st round pick).
Karaban is a pretty good rebounder, good connective passer, good cutter, just a really smart player. Someone who would probably spend year 1 in G league to get stronger and get acclimated to the NBA game with NBA caliber athletes and then try to compete for rotation mins in year 2. He's from Massachusetts too, I believe.
Now, comparing Karaban and Mantzoukas. Who's better? I'd probably say Karaban, just barely. Just because a lot of his stats are better and I buy him as a shooter more since he has shot the ball well on much higher volume than Mantzoukas has. Mantzoukas is tricky to evaluate since he only averages like 11 MPG (since he's on a team full of former NBA players/guys who will potentially make the leap to the NBA soon).
With that being said, Mantzoukas is a little bit younger than Karaban, he's about an inch taller. And Mantzoukas has a little more bulk/girth/strength to him so I have less concerns with Mantzoukas handling the physicality of the NBA and matching up with stronger forwards.
Also, I mentioned before that I'd prefer that the C'd go for a 4/5 type of guy rather than a 3/4. Tatum is a 3/4..Hauser is a 3/4, so is Walsh and so is Brissett..all of them are under contract for next season, Walsh should hopefully be ready to compete for mins next season.
Karaban and Mantzoukas - both of their primary positions is the 4. But IMO the secondary position for Karaban is the 3, while the secondary position for Mantzoukas is the 5 (although you really don't want to play him at the 5 ideally, just not enough rebounding, rim protection, not really a lob threat. Putting Mantzoukas at the 5 is like how he would sometimes put Grant at the 5. Although Mantzoukas is 3-2 inches taller than Grant.
Plus as I mentioned before, Mantzoukas gives you the flexibility of draft and stashing him overseas if he's not quite ready yet, you can develop him overseas without him taking up a standard or 2-way roster spot.
So while Karaban is probably slightly better right now, I think Mantzoukas is probably a slightly better fit for the celtics.
The other player on my radar for the celtics. This one is a little more of a reach cause I think he goes in the 15-30 range and I think we'll trade our 1st round pick (and even if we have pick 30, he will probably be gone by then) is Kel'El Ware.
He's already been mentioned on here a little bit.
Reason why I'm bringing him up (even though I'm admitting it's a reach since I don't think he'll still be on the board when we pick) is because the more I watch Ware play this season and the more I watch the Celtics this season and the way KP is used by us and the way KP plays for us, the more I can see Ware playing a similar type of role.
No, I'm NOT saying Ware is gonna be as good as KP. If I thought that, I'd have ware top 5 in this draft and then it wouldn't even be worth discussing cause there'd be no way we get Ware.
But I think even if Ware isn't as good as KP, he could play a similar role. Long term, I can see Ware (even if it's just 15-20 mins a game off the bench) doing these tasks which is a big part of what KP does for us:
-Hit some pick n pop 3's -Post up when we can get a mismatch and he's posting up a smaller guy -Operate as an offensive hub further from the basket (hitting cutters here and there, doing some DHO, drawing the opposing big away from the basket so he's not there to protect the rim) -Be the last line of defense on D. Not a guy who can switch out on the perimeter a ton, but if you keep hm closer to the basket, play him in a roamer role, he can use his size and the intimidation factor that he can swat those shots away, he can help on anything that gets close to the rim, block some shots, grab some boards
I could see Ware really developing nicely if you put him on the same team with KP. I'm not saying you play the 2 of them together. But I'm saying I can see Ware learning a lot from KP, seeing up close how KP plays and trying to do a lot of those things once his number is called.
Not to mention on the same team with Al who can obviously teach him stuff, like how to be a pro...they can both give him some tips on his shooting (Ware has shot it pretty well in college but needs to increase the volume to be a real shooting threat in the NBA - KP and Al can help him get there).
And in general, KP and Al I think could teach him a lot.
Year 1, would probably be mostly in G league. But by year 2, he should be ready to compete for mins off the bench.
Ware is only 19 still - he's got some upside.
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:Also if they struck it big with Kokek, they could move out from DREW, let's say, if the Celts don't win the Title this season they make him the starter and get what they can for Holiday?
C'mon now. We're not gonna start Tyler Kolek right out of the gate as a rookie at PG.
If we draft Kolek and he ends up starting for us, it wouldn't be until his 2nd season at the earliest (probably not till 3rd season).
Even then, it's a longshot that he would start for us. I'm not sure he can defend at the NBA level, or that he has enough burst/athleticism/size to create separation from his man, pressure the rim, finish around the rim at the NBA level.
He's a good player..but I could see him being maybe like a backup PG who comes in and brings some energy and can put some points on the board with his shooting and passing.
But I also don't see the Celtics keeping their 1st round pick..
Obviously Hal, they are not starting him "out of the gate." He'd apprentice under DREW and eventually replace him, if he's the real deal.
Yeah, it's so hard to tell, Hal, but he seems to rebound and there are mentions that he is good defensively. I just have good vibes about him and it's the 30th Pick. Someone warty is coming, whomever they draft.
Yeah they could trade (and should) deal this Pick: GFIN, the sooner the better.
I also like the African phenom, Ulrich Chomche, looks like an extremely promising but very raw Big Man who could be fantastic in about 4 years.
He plays like Duncan on YouTube...
The DREW thing you're doing isn't cool / borderline racist. I'm all for a good PP joke, but this isn't clever or funny.
Hal14 wrote:Ok, here's where I'm at with our draft pick situation.
Thinking we go for a PF and/or C type of guy.
I mentioned Lefteris Mantzoukas on the previous page but I'll put here as a spoiler so it's easier for folks to refer back to it:
Spoiler:
Hal14 wrote:Idk, this early it's hard to tell what direction the C's might go in this draft. We have Walsh who we're developing as a wing. At the wing we also have the jays and Hauser.
In the backcourt it'll be tough for anyone we draft to get minutes, behind Jrue, White and Pritchard (plus both Jays can play guard)..we have JD and he can't get mins even though he's basically dominating the G league - not sure any guard we get would be better than JD.
I think the best bet is to draft a PF/C type. Ideally someone who can shoot. It remains to be seen whether Kornet or Queta will be on he team next year. Horford only has 1 yr left on his contract after this one and will be 38 next season. KP has injury concerns.
One guy I have on my radar right now for the Celtics is Lefteris Mantzoukas (yes, he's Greek). He's a guy who will likely be available in the 2nd round. He's a PF who could potentially play some small ball 5. He's in the mold of Grant Williams/Georges Niang/Maxi Kleber.
6'9" wide bodied guy, doesn't have the best athleticism or quickness. But he is pretty quick. Good feel for the game, basketball IQ. Decent defender, can score off the dribble a little bit, battle for rebounds. But the main sell with him is the combination of size (6'9") + strong, wide bodied frame + shooting (56.3% from 3 on the season) + experience playing 3 years now in the EuroLeague (total of 51 EuroLeague games and counting)..that's a lot of EuroLeague experience for a guy who's still only 20 yrs old.
He was also a standout player for Greece at the FIBA U20 tournament last summer.
I also like the flexibility he comes with. If he looks good in summer league and looking like a guy who could potentially contribute for us as a rookie, then you give him a rookie deal. But if not, then of course he's a guy who you could just stash overseas and he would continue playing for one of the top overseas teams in highly competitive leagues.
The other prospect I like for us who is kind of similar to Mantzoukas (6'8" or 6'9" PF type of guy who can really shoot it but limited in other areas of the game and limited in terms of athleticism but high IQ, good fundamentals) is a guy who more people on here are probably familiar with since he plays at UConn.
Alex Karaban.
If you've watched him a decent amount, you know he's a winning player, very smart player, high IQ, plays team basketball. A good with pretty good size who can really shoot it. His defense is pretty good but I have questions about how he can defend stronger/more athletic guys in the NBA..but hey, that's why he'll likely still be there in the 2nd round, where we are trying to find a hidden gem (again, assuming we trade our 1st round pick).
Karaban is a pretty good rebounder, good connective passer, good cutter, just a really smart player. Someone who would probably spend year 1 in G league to get stronger and get acclimated to the NBA game with NBA caliber athletes and then try to compete for rotation mins in year 2. He's from Massachusetts too, I believe.
Now, comparing Karaban and Mantzoukas. Who's better? I'd probably say Karaban, just barely. Just because a lot of his stats are better and I buy him as a shooter more since he has shot the ball well on much higher volume than Mantzoukas has. Mantzoukas is tricky to evaluate since he only averages like 11 MPG (since he's on a team full of former NBA players/guys who will potentially make the leap to the NBA soon).
With that being said, Mantzoukas is a little bit younger than Karaban, he's about an inch taller. And Mantzoukas has a little more bulk/girth/strength to him so I have less concerns with Mantzoukas handling the physicality of the NBA and matching up with stronger forwards.
Also, I mentioned before that I'd prefer that the C'd go for a 4/5 type of guy rather than a 3/4. Tatum is a 3/4..Hauser is a 3/4, so is Walsh and so is Brissett..all of them are under contract for next season, Walsh should hopefully be ready to compete for mins next season.
Karaban and Mantzoukas - both of their primary positions is the 4. But IMO the secondary position for Karaban is the 3, while the secondary position for Mantzoukas is the 5 (although you really don't want to play him at the 5 ideally, just not enough rebounding, rim protection, not really a lob threat. Putting Mantzoukas at the 5 is like how he would sometimes put Grant at the 5. Although Mantzoukas is 3-2 inches taller than Grant.
Plus as I mentioned before, Mantzoukas gives you the flexibility of draft and stashing him overseas if he's not quite ready yet, you can develop him overseas without him taking up a standard or 2-way roster spot.
So while Karaban is probably slightly better right now, I think Mantzoukas is probably a slightly better fit for the celtics.
The other player on my radar for the celtics. This one is a little more of a reach cause I think he goes in the 15-30 range and I think we'll trade our 1st round pick (and even if we have pick 30, he will probably be gone by then) is Kel'El Ware.
He's already been mentioned on here a little bit.
Reason why I'm bringing him up (even though I'm admitting it's a reach since I don't think he'll still be on the board when we pick) is because the more I watch Ware play this season and the more I watch the Celtics this season and the way KP is used by us and the way KP plays for us, the more I can see Ware playing a similar type of role.
No, I'm NOT saying Ware is gonna be as good as KP. If I thought that, I'd have ware top 5 in this draft and then it wouldn't even be worth discussing cause there'd be no way we get Ware.
But I think even if Ware isn't as good as KP, he could play a similar role. Long term, I can see Ware (even if it's just 15-20 mins a game off the bench) doing these tasks which is a big part of what KP does for us:
-Hit some pick n pop 3's -Post up when we can get a mismatch and he's posting up a smaller guy -Operate as an offensive hub further from the basket (hitting cutters here and there, doing some DHO, drawing the opposing big away from the basket so he's not there to protect the rim) -Be the last line of defense on D. Not a guy who can switch out on the perimeter a ton, but if you keep hm closer to the basket, play him in a roamer role, he can use his size and the intimation fact that he can swat those shots away, he can help on anything that gets close to the rim, block some shots, grab some boards
I could see Ware really developing nicely if you put him on the same team with KP. Not to mention on the same team with Al who can obviously teach him stuff, like how to be a pro...they can both give him some tips on his shooting (Ware has shot it pretty well in college but needs to increase the volume to be a real shooting threat in the NBA - KP and Al can help him get there).
And in general, KP and Al I think could teach him a lot.
Year 1, would probably be mostly in G league. But by year 2, he should be ready to compete for mins off the bench.
Ware is only 19 still - he's got some upside.
I’m curious about this Ivisic guy at Kentucky as a poor man’s Porzingis, not a big Ware guy personally. Also agree though Karaban could be a real contributor like Jaquez has, people thought he wasn’t athletic enough but seems fine.
Hal14 wrote:Ok, here's where I'm at with our draft pick situation.
Thinking we go for a PF and/or C type of guy.
I mentioned Lefteris Mantzoukas on the previous page but I'll put here as a spoiler so it's easier for folks to refer back to it:
Spoiler:
Hal14 wrote:Idk, this early it's hard to tell what direction the C's might go in this draft. We have Walsh who we're developing as a wing. At the wing we also have the jays and Hauser.
In the backcourt it'll be tough for anyone we draft to get minutes, behind Jrue, White and Pritchard (plus both Jays can play guard)..we have JD and he can't get mins even though he's basically dominating the G league - not sure any guard we get would be better than JD.
I think the best bet is to draft a PF/C type. Ideally someone who can shoot. It remains to be seen whether Kornet or Queta will be on he team next year. Horford only has 1 yr left on his contract after this one and will be 38 next season. KP has injury concerns.
One guy I have on my radar right now for the Celtics is Lefteris Mantzoukas (yes, he's Greek). He's a guy who will likely be available in the 2nd round. He's a PF who could potentially play some small ball 5. He's in the mold of Grant Williams/Georges Niang/Maxi Kleber.
6'9" wide bodied guy, doesn't have the best athleticism or quickness. But he is pretty quick. Good feel for the game, basketball IQ. Decent defender, can score off the dribble a little bit, battle for rebounds. But the main sell with him is the combination of size (6'9") + strong, wide bodied frame + shooting (56.3% from 3 on the season) + experience playing 3 years now in the EuroLeague (total of 51 EuroLeague games and counting)..that's a lot of EuroLeague experience for a guy who's still only 20 yrs old.
He was also a standout player for Greece at the FIBA U20 tournament last summer.
I also like the flexibility he comes with. If he looks good in summer league and looking like a guy who could potentially contribute for us as a rookie, then you give him a rookie deal. But if not, then of course he's a guy who you could just stash overseas and he would continue playing for one of the top overseas teams in highly competitive leagues.
The other prospect I like for us who is kind of similar to Mantzoukas (6'8" or 6'9" PF type of guy who can really shoot it but limited in other areas of the game and limited in terms of athleticism but high IQ, good fundamentals) is a guy who more people on here are probably familiar with since he plays at UConn.
Alex Karaban.
If you've watched him a decent amount, you know he's a winning player, very smart player, high IQ, plays team basketball. A good with pretty good size who can really shoot it. His defense is pretty good but I have questions about how he can defend stronger/more athletic guys in the NBA..but hey, that's why he'll likely still be there in the 2nd round, where we are trying to find a hidden gem (again, assuming we trade our 1st round pick).
Karaban is a pretty good rebounder, good connective passer, good cutter, just a really smart player. Someone who would probably spend year 1 in G league to get stronger and get acclimated to the NBA game with NBA caliber athletes and then try to compete for rotation mins in year 2. He's from Massachusetts too, I believe.
Now, comparing Karaban and Mantzoukas. Who's better? I'd probably say Karaban, just barely. Just because a lot of his stats are better and I buy him as a shooter more since he has shot the ball well on much higher volume than Mantzoukas has. Mantzoukas is tricky to evaluate since he only averages like 11 MPG (since he's on a team full of former NBA players/guys who will potentially make the leap to the NBA soon).
With that being said, Mantzoukas is a little bit younger than Karaban, he's about an inch taller. And Mantzoukas has a little more bulk/girth/strength to him so I have less concerns with Mantzoukas handling the physicality of the NBA and matching up with stronger forwards.
Also, I mentioned before that I'd prefer that the C'd go for a 4/5 type of guy rather than a 3/4. Tatum is a 3/4..Hauser is a 3/4, so is Walsh and so is Brissett..all of them are under contract for next season, Walsh should hopefully be ready to compete for mins next season.
Karaban and Mantzoukas - both of their primary positions is the 4. But IMO the secondary position for Karaban is the 3, while the secondary position for Mantzoukas is the 5 (although you really don't want to play him at the 5 ideally, just not enough rebounding, rim protection, not really a lob threat. Putting Mantzoukas at the 5 is like how he would sometimes put Grant at the 5. Although Mantzoukas is 3-2 inches taller than Grant.
Plus as I mentioned before, Mantzoukas gives you the flexibility of draft and stashing him overseas if he's not quite ready yet, you can develop him overseas without him taking up a standard or 2-way roster spot.
So while Karaban is probably slightly better right now, I think Mantzoukas is probably a slightly better fit for the celtics.
The other player on my radar for the celtics. This one is a little more of a reach cause I think he goes in the 15-30 range and I think we'll trade our 1st round pick (and even if we have pick 30, he will probably be gone by then) is Kel'El Ware.
He's already been mentioned on here a little bit.
Reason why I'm bringing him up (even though I'm admitting it's a reach since I don't think he'll still be on the board when we pick) is because the more I watch Ware play this season and the more I watch the Celtics this season and the way KP is used by us and the way KP plays for us, the more I can see Ware playing a similar type of role.
No, I'm NOT saying Ware is gonna be as good as KP. If I thought that, I'd have ware top 5 in this draft and then it wouldn't even be worth discussing cause there'd be no way we get Ware.
But I think even if Ware isn't as good as KP, he could play a similar role. Long term, I can see Ware (even if it's just 15-20 mins a game off the bench) doing these tasks which is a big part of what KP does for us:
-Hit some pick n pop 3's -Post up when we can get a mismatch and he's posting up a smaller guy -Operate as an offensive hub further from the basket (hitting cutters here and there, doing some DHO, drawing the opposing big away from the basket so he's not there to protect the rim) -Be the last line of defense on D. Not a guy who can switch out on the perimeter a ton, but if you keep hm closer to the basket, play him in a roamer role, he can use his size and the intimation fact that he can swat those shots away, he can help on anything that gets close to the rim, block some shots, grab some boards
I could see Ware really developing nicely if you put him on the same team with KP. Not to mention on the same team with Al who can obviously teach him stuff, like how to be a pro...they can both give him some tips on his shooting (Ware has shot it pretty well in college but needs to increase the volume to be a real shooting threat in the NBA - KP and Al can help him get there).
And in general, KP and Al I think could teach him a lot.
Year 1, would probably be mostly in G league. But by year 2, he should be ready to compete for mins off the bench.
Ware is only 19 still - he's got some upside.
I’m curious about this Ivisic guy at Kentucky as a poor man’s Porzingis, not a big Ware guy personally. Also agree though Karaban could be a real contributor like Jaquez has, people thought he wasn’t athletic enough but seems fine.
Ivisic is hard to evaluate since he's played 0 games this season due to an issue being cleared to play from an admissions standpoint since he played in pro leagues and pro tournaments and stuff before college where there's some rules against that.
At this point I am thinking Ivisic probably is aiming for the 2025 draft.
Jaquez is definitely more athletic than Karaban. He was also the best player on a top 10 team in college basketball, and was probably a top 5 player in college basketball last season, and played 4 years of college ball. Karaban is a not that level of college player and is only in hi 2nd college season so a bit different.
The more I think about it, the high end outcome for Karaban is being like Keegan Murray. Like Keegan, Karban's primary position is the 4 with secondary position being the 3..not a guy you want to put at the 5. Keegan also played just 2 yrs of college ball but was an older sophomore - like the age of a junior. Keegan could *really* shoot the ball. Not a great athlete. Both guys 6'8".
Overall, their games a kind of similar. And you look at the way Keegan has been used in the NBA, and that is pretty much what Karaban's high end outcome looks like. With that being said, idk if it's *that* realistic since Keegan's production his sophomore season was insane, he was arguably the best player in all of college basketball and showed more in terms of handle, leading the break, driving to the basket, being a beast on the boards, finishing around the rim.
But Keegan was also the 4th pick in the draft. If Karaban ends up being a slightly worse Keegan Murray but we get him with the 34th pick (idk if we have that pick exactly, just trowing a number out), that could be a steal.
Again, anyone who watches a decent amount of UConn can tell karaban is a winning player who flat out knows how to play.
He's certainly a guy to keep on the radar over the next few months leading up to the draft. Looked very good in their win the other night vs Xavier.
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything
Hal14 wrote:C'mon now. We're not gonna start Tyler Kolek right out of the gate as a rookie at PG.
If we draft Kolek and he ends up starting for us, it wouldn't be until his 2nd season at the earliest (probably not till 3rd season).
Even then, it's a longshot that he would start for us. I'm not sure he can defend at the NBA level, or that he has enough burst/athleticism/size to create separation from his man, pressure the rim, finish around the rim at the NBA level.
He's a good player..but I could see him being maybe like a backup PG who comes in and brings some energy and can put some points on the board with his shooting and passing.
But I also don't see the Celtics keeping their 1st round pick..
Obviously Hal, they are not starting him "out of the gate." He'd apprentice under DREW and eventually replace him, if he's the real deal.
Yeah, it's so hard to tell, Hal, but he seems to rebound and there are mentions that he is good defensively. I just have good vibes about him and it's the 30th Pick. Someone warty is coming, whomever they draft.
Yeah they could trade (and should) deal this Pick: GFIN, the sooner the better.
I also like the African phenom, Ulrich Chomche, looks like an extremely promising but very raw Big Man who could be fantastic in about 4 years.
He plays like Duncan on YouTube...
The DREW thing you're doing isn't cool / borderline racist. I'm all for a good PP joke, but this isn't clever or funny.
What!? No racism is implied: what I'm saying if the Celtics drafted a PG (could be black or white) and this player turns out to be really good, he could be a replacement for Drew, especially a Holiday who didn't help the Celtics to win a Title.
That was all that was implied: young PG with talent replaces older veteran PG, and I did advocate they should trade the pick, because the choice is likely to be warty.
If you're looking for racism in everything, you'll find it, but there was no negative connotations applied here.
bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote: Obviously Hal, they are not starting him "out of the gate." He'd apprentice under DREW and eventually replace him, if he's the real deal.
Yeah, it's so hard to tell, Hal, but he seems to rebound and there are mentions that he is good defensively. I just have good vibes about him and it's the 30th Pick. Someone warty is coming, whomever they draft.
Yeah they could trade (and should) deal this Pick: GFIN, the sooner the better.
I also like the African phenom, Ulrich Chomche, looks like an extremely promising but very raw Big Man who could be fantastic in about 4 years.
He plays like Duncan on YouTube...
The DREW thing you're doing isn't cool / borderline racist. I'm all for a good PP joke, but this isn't clever or funny.
What!? No racism is implied: what I'm saying if the Celtics drafted a PG (could be black or white) and this player turns out to be really good, he could be a replacement for Drew, especially a Holiday who didn't help the Celtics to win a Title.
That was all that was implied: young PG with talent replaces older veteran PG, and I did advocate they should trade the pick, because the choice is likely to be warty.
If you're looking for racism in everything, you'll find it, but there was no negative connotations applied here.
No, I'm talking about you calling him DREW and capitalizing it like you think that's how he should be spelling his name. You've done it multiple times in different posts, so I was assuming that's intentional. If you really don't know his name is Jrue and/or it's an autocorrect thing, then apologies.
This coming draft is going to be the 10 year anniversary of the Nuggets trading down from 11th (Doug McDermott) to pick up 16th (Jusuf Nurkic) and 19th (Garry Harris). They also picked up Nikola Jokic at 41st. Low key one of the best draft day ever. You don't need to tank for premium picks to get good players if you know what you are doing. Hopefully Stevens can have a similar draft soon.
Kinda forgot we have Dallas and Chicago's 2nd round picks this year.
Would be amazing if Chicago decides to blow it up at the deadline and get in the tank race. Toronto and Brooklyn are both behind them in the standings but don't own their own picks, unlike Chicago, so they're unlikely to give up. Hopefully the Bulls dip enough to decide to pull the trigger rather than fighting for a doomed play-in spot.
Tankathon currently has Chicago's 2nd sitting at #40 with us taking Bronny James, which would be hilarious.
I honestly would take Bronny with our own first rounder. He's a decent prospect and the LeBron connection wildcard is too good to pass up. If that lands you LeBron on a bargain deal, even at 40 years old, that'd be a huge coup. Or alternatively you trade him to whatever team LeGM is on at a premium and recoup your draft assets and then some. Worst worst case scenario you overdrafted a kid who's a half-decent prospect anyway.
UHar_Vinnie wrote:If you don't lean forward while hugging a dude, you are gonna have a wiener touching incident. You know this.
BK_2020 wrote:Doesn't Bronny have some congenital heart condition?
Yes. He missed the preseason and first 7 or so games because of it.
It's definitely a red flag and something that could cause him to fall in the draft or possibly not get drafted at all.
Teams might not want to take that risk, at least not with a 1st round pick. But maybe they take the risk if they think LeBron will sign with them? It's an interesting situation.
Nothing wrong with having a different opinion - as long as it's done respectfully. It'd be lame if we all agreed on everything
If this were Danny I’d say keep an eye on Justin Edwards. Classic big time high school prospect who slips in the draft but we evaluate him more on his time heading into college than his line freshman year. With Brad I have no idea because he trades most of the picks, but Walsh fits into that mold somewhere (although not as big of a prospect as Edwards).
shackles10 wrote:If this were Danny I’d say keep an eye on Justin Edwards. Classic big time high school prospect who slips in the draft but we evaluate him more on his time heading into college than his line freshman year. With Brad I have no idea because he trades most of the picks, but Walsh fits into that mold somewhere (although not as big of a prospect as Edwards).
No thanks on Edwards. Too many bad memories from the last Edwards to play for Boston.
With our salary cap issues and the fact that 1st round picks get guaranteed deals, I doubt Brad uses our pick in the 1st round. Also, considering that we currently have the 42nd and 50th picks, I can't see Brad picking three players this draft unless one of them is traded immediately. I expect Brad to trade our 1st round pick in conjunction the using the TPE and one player (Stevens or Svi) before the end of the deadline. This would give us a slight upgrade to the bench, allow us the use the 15th roster spot on Queta, and have two second round picks to restock out 2-way players. I expect one of those to be a wing and the other a point guard. Personally, I don't ever see our two Euro draft and stash players making to the NBA and I have very little confidence in JD Davison.
One guy I like as a potential 2nd round pick for us (or maybe even pick 30 if we keep it) if JT Toppin.
He's like a combination of Time Lord + Kevon Looney. Doesn't have the athleticism/explosiveness of Rob (hence the Looney part) but just how active he is on both ends (getting boards, having a nose for the ball, setting screens, making winning plays, high motor) and also how he's able to switch out on the perimeter at times and is able to close out well on shooters is what reminds me of Rob (he has better athleticism than Looney though, so that's also why I say he's a cross between Rob and Looney).
Kind of an undersized big at 6'9" but his rebound and blocks % numbers are as good as you'll find for a freshman big man - and he's young for a freshman, too - won't turn 19 till June.
