Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

[gocelts]

Dame's not a POS. He's not doing anything out of the ordinary. The tough part here though is that usually when these stars ask out the team they want to go to has to give a haul, but in this case MIA has no haul to give. Most of these star trade requests, for all the complaining fans do, usually end up really, really, really great for the team trading them away. They always get absolute hauls of draft picks and some young players. It's a great outcome for both sides usually.

Dame's preferred spot here though is going to **** POR over though because MIA is so asset poor, relatively speaking.

He’s a POS, and now this POS has his POS agent threatening other teams that arent Miami not to trade for him. Why would any other team or player agree to trade clauses in their contacts now?! This POS is under contract….the same contract that this highly compensated POS and his highly compensated POS agent gladly agreed to.

[hugepatsfan]

This probably is on purpose, but by my calculations if we sign a vet min player for the 15th spot and the unlikely incentives on White/Rob hit, we'd be about $200K under the 2nd apron.

[darrendaye]

Walsh signed a 4 year deal. Our current cap situation...

Demetrius Jackson (Dead$) 92,857
Kristaps Porzingis 36,016,200
Jayson Tatum 32,600,060
Jaylen Brown 31,830,357
Malcolm Brogdon 22,500,000
Derrick White 18,357,143
Robert Williams III 11,571,429
Al Horford 10,000,000
Payton Pritchard 4,037,278
Luke Kornet 2,413,304
Oshae Brissett 2,165,000
Dalano Banton 2,019,706
Sam Hauser 1,927,896
Justin Champagnie 1,927,896
Jordan Walsh 1,119,563

W/out incentives 178,578,689
Super Tax Apron 182,794,000
Compared to Super Tax Apron (4,215,311)

14 players signed, $4.2M left below 2nd apron

Should be able to use the TPE or the full MLE if we salary dump Pritchard somewhere. I doubt we use the MLE though because then we'd be hard capped without any ability to go over 2nd apron if something comes up. Also slim pickings in FA anways.

Garuba making 2,588,400 to PP's 4,037,278, I'm just saying....
Also, Kornet and Champagnie are non-guaranteed.....

[WeLikeOurGuys]

Read on Twitter

Per Himmelsbach- Celtics not in the mix for Lillard.
Sorry if this was posted already!

[ajones9219]

In the event of a Dame to Miami trade, I assume they will have to tear down to the studs outside of Bam/Butler so I'd consider shipping a few seconds to Portland to snag Jaime Jaquez Jr. from Miami if that greases the wheels. Looks like a good prospect to me.

At this point I think it either goes the way of Dame going to somewhere outside of Miami or Miami finds a suitor for Herro and sends literally everything else (Jaquez, Herro, Robinson, Martin) worth anything.

Still find Dame to Miami unlikely but if so, I wouldn't mind the Celtics taking a pound of flesh in the process.

[keevsnick1]

Walsh signed a 4 year deal. Our current cap situation...

Demetrius Jackson (Dead$) 92,857
Kristaps Porzingis 36,016,200
Jayson Tatum 32,600,060
Jaylen Brown 31,830,357
Malcolm Brogdon 22,500,000
Derrick White 18,357,143
Robert Williams III 11,571,429
Al Horford 10,000,000
Payton Pritchard 4,037,278
Luke Kornet 2,413,304
Oshae Brissett 2,165,000
Dalano Banton 2,019,706
Sam Hauser 1,927,896
Justin Champagnie 1,927,896
Jordan Walsh 1,119,563

W/out incentives 178,578,689
Super Tax Apron 182,794,000
Compared to Super Tax Apron (4,215,311)

14 players signed, $4.2M left below 2nd apron

Should be able to use the TPE or the full MLE if we salary dump Pritchard somewhere. I doubt we use the MLE though because then we'd be hard capped without any ability to go over 2nd apron if something comes up. Also slim pickings in FA anways.

I think the most likely path is they keep Pritchard and shop around with the TPE. If they find somebody they like, preferably a younger cost controlled guy, maybe they use the TPE. If not they go into the seaosn with it.

[chrisab123]

Dame's not a POS. He's not doing anything out of the ordinary. The tough part here though is that usually when these stars ask out the team they want to go to has to give a haul, but in this case MIA has no haul to give. Most of these star trade requests, for all the complaining fans do, usually end up really, really, really great for the team trading them away. They always get absolute hauls of draft picks and some young players. It's a great outcome for both sides usually.

Dame's preferred spot here though is going to **** POR over though because MIA is so asset poor, relatively speaking.

He’s a POS, and now this POS has his POS agent threatening other teams that arent Miami not to trade for him. Why would any other team or player agree to trade clauses in their contacts now?! This POS is under contract….the same contract that this highly compensated POS and his highly compensated POS agent gladly agreed to.

But how do you really feel about Dame?

[cloverleaf]

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/07/06/sports/just-because-jaylen-brown-hasnt-signed-super-max-extension-doesnt-mean-he-is-being-shopped-other-celtics-thoughts/

Per Himmelsbach- Celtics not in the mix for Lillard.

The C's front office would be insane to claim anything different unless and until a deal was sealed. But this is in Himmelsbach's article:

" Along those lines, the Celtics have no intention of entering the Damian Lillard sweepstakes, according to league sources. Things can change suddenly, of course."

[Andrew McCeltic]

Walsh signed a 4 year deal. Our current cap situation...

Demetrius Jackson (Dead$) 92,857
Kristaps Porzingis 36,016,200
Jayson Tatum 32,600,060
Jaylen Brown 31,830,357
Malcolm Brogdon 22,500,000
Derrick White 18,357,143
Robert Williams III 11,571,429
Al Horford 10,000,000
Payton Pritchard 4,037,278
Luke Kornet 2,413,304
Oshae Brissett 2,165,000
Dalano Banton 2,019,706
Sam Hauser 1,927,896
Justin Champagnie 1,927,896
Jordan Walsh 1,119,563

W/out incentives 178,578,689
Super Tax Apron 182,794,000
Compared to Super Tax Apron (4,215,311)

14 players signed, $4.2M left below 2nd apron

Should be able to use the TPE or the full MLE if we salary dump Pritchard somewhere. I doubt we use the MLE though because then we'd be hard capped without any ability to go over 2nd apron if something comes up. Also slim pickings in FA anways.

Only guy left who fits is Dosunmu. Chicago has the right to match but just picked up Jevon Carter. Toronto is after Ayo too.

If you could unload Pritchard, sign Dosunmu, use the Grant TPE on a cheap big, and vet min another backup wing a la Malik Beasley, that's a decent bench overhaul.

[Dogen]

Looking at the roster as it currently stands, as much as I loved Smart, getting Porzingis and the picks in return was a no brainer. Gives us more options on offense.

Grant was in and out of the rotation. I never thought it was feasible to bring him back, so getting a couple seconds in return was the best possible outcome.

Brissett and Banton, I don't know much about them but think they will be deep reserves, maybe carve out a roll if they show potential in the Celtics gameplan.

Don't know if this is a good way at looking at it or if it was even possible to keep some of these players but while I feel these moves made the Celtics more balanced, I truly don't think these moves make the Celtics better than they were last year. Would you rather have Porzingis, Walsh, Brissett, Banton....or Smart, Grant, Gallo, Musc.

I truly don't know if the roster is better. I hope I can be proved wrong and that more moves will be made to reshape the depth/balance of the roster but as of right now, I am a bit disappointed with how this offseason has gone. Especially considering we saw reports stating Brad received the green light to spend and a report we got from Brian Robb stating after the Porzingis trade that, "the Celtics are far from done after trading for Kristaps." I highly doubt they would be referring to the 4 draft night trades of the sources saying the Celtics are far from done after trading for Zingus.

So while I am still hopeful more moves will be made, I am also trying to approach with caution as I've been let down by this team far too many times before.

I'd rather have what we have: Porzingis, Walsh, Brissett, Banton.

And there will be more moves.

[Dogen]

In the event of a Dame to Miami trade, I assume they will have to tear down to the studs outside of Bam/Butler so I'd consider shipping a few seconds to Portland to snag Jaime Jaquez Jr. from Miami if that greases the wheels. Looks like a good prospect to me.

At this point I think it either goes the way of Dame going to somewhere outside of Miami or Miami finds a suitor for Herro and sends literally everything else (Jaquez, Herro, Robinson, Martin) worth anything.

Still find Dame to Miami unlikely but if so, I wouldn't mind the Celtics taking a pound of flesh in the process.

I like Jaquez. If Brad is able to pull this off, he will have effectively turned that #25 Memphis pick into Jaquez, Walsh and a future second (or 2?-- I'm still not sure).

[cloverleaf]

Walsh just turned 19 four months ago. Gotta sting a bit for JD that Jordan's already got a regular deal.

[hugepatsfan]

Walsh just turned 19 four months ago. Gotta sting a bit for JD that Jordan's already got a regular deal.

Walsh was drafted towards the top of the 2nd round. JD was almost undrafted. Different range of the draft reflects different view of them as prospects, to some degree.

[Celts17Pride]

Michael Scotto @MikeAScotto
about 39 minutes ago

The Boston Celtics and No. 38 overall pick Jordan Walsh have agreed to a four-year, $7.6 million deal, league sources told @hoopshype. Walsh is represented by former NBA player and current CEO/founder Ramon Sessions of @ontimeagencygrp.

[greenbeans]

Walsh just turned 19 four months ago. Gotta sting a bit for JD that Jordan's already got a regular deal.

Would hope he has the perspective to understand there's a whole world of people out there beyond his teammates to be jealous of

[Shak_Celts]

Don't count JD out yet people! He's my binkie along with Walsh, POBO owes me!!!

[meatball sub]

Not really a surprise we unloaded Smart & Grant right as the league is getting ready to make flops a technical foul within the next season or two

[Dogen]

Walsh just turned 19 four months ago. Gotta sting a bit for JD that Jordan's already got a regular deal.

He'd be wise to show up for practice and get over that sting in 2 seconds... (or he may be traded for 1 second! )

Different player, different year, different circumstance, different position. We need a backup wing now more than we needed a backup PG last year.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Don't know if this is a good way at looking at it or if it was even possible to keep some of these players but while I feel these moves made the Celtics more balanced, I truly don't think these moves make the Celtics better than they were last year. Would you rather have Porzingis, Walsh, Brissett, Banton....or Smart, Grant, Gallo, Musc.

I'd rather have what we have: Porzingis, Walsh, Brissett, Banton.

And there will be more moves.

Brissett is coming off a down year, minutes and percentages dropped. But only turned 25 last month. He'll either bounce back like JRich or flounder like Juancho. Useful player even when his shot doesn't fall.

We'll regret it if Grant levels up in Dallas, but he fell off defensively in the regular season and wasn't playing for a reason.

No idea what they have in Banton, I don't think he plays. Happy to be surprised. Walsh could be a two-way or get 10-15 minutes a night.

Positionally, we've upgraded Gallo/Muscala to Porzingis. We've downgraded Grant to Brissett/Walsh. And we've downgraded Smart to Banton. We have the depth to do all of that with no sweat, if everyone's healthy.

[Hal14]

Walsh signed a 4 year deal. Our current cap situation...

Demetrius Jackson (Dead$) 92,857
Kristaps Porzingis 36,016,200
Jayson Tatum 32,600,060
Jaylen Brown 31,830,357
Malcolm Brogdon 22,500,000
Derrick White 18,357,143
Robert Williams III 11,571,429
Al Horford 10,000,000
Payton Pritchard 4,037,278
Luke Kornet 2,413,304
Oshae Brissett 2,165,000
Dalano Banton 2,019,706
Sam Hauser 1,927,896
Justin Champagnie 1,927,896
Jordan Walsh 1,119,563

W/out incentives 178,578,689
Super Tax Apron 182,794,000
Compared to Super Tax Apron (4,215,311)

14 players signed, $4.2M left below 2nd apron

Should be able to use the TPE or the full MLE if we salary dump Pritchard somewhere. I doubt we use the MLE though because then we'd be hard capped without any ability to go over 2nd apron if something comes up. Also slim pickings in FA anways.

Only guy left who fits is Dosunmu. Chicago has the right to match but just picked up Jevon Carter. Toronto is after Ayo too.

If you could unload Pritchard, sign Dosunmu, use the Grant TPE on a cheap big, and vet min another backup wing a la Malik Beasley, that's a decent bench overhaul.

Ayo is only 23. He's played in basically every single game in each of his first 2 seasons (very rare). He STARTED 91 games in his first 2 seasons for a team that made playoffs 1 year and play in tournament the other year. He's almost definitely gonna make more $ than Pritchard this season. He's likely going to be out of our price range.