"WCIHAoTDP?" - 2016 Draft Thread P.2

lon3lytoaster · Post #761 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:32 pm

Crossy2008 wrote:This is going to be an interesting draft because a few team have a lot of picks.

Boston has 3
Denver has 3
Philly has 3 with the potential for 4
Phoenix has 3

That's 12 or 13 first round picks belonging 4 teams. That is 40% or 43% of the draft positions being held by 13% of the teams.

There is going to be competition on the draft pick trade market, but also a good chance a lot of teams will be trying to get into the first round.

The teams that do not or may not have a first round pick are:

Brooklyn
Cleveland
Dallas
Houston
LA Lakers (potentially)
Miami
New York
Oklahoma City
Portland
Sacramento (Incredibly unlikely)
Washington (potentially)

Because I'd love to take advantage of Brooklyn one last time and add some insult to injury, Thad Young for 23 and 35

Andrew McCeltic · Post #762 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:41 pm

Gotta see how the draft order pans out, and workouts, but I'm getting excited about the prospect of drafting Simmons. He's not the "scorer", exactly, but if it's Philly/LA/Boston, I could see both those teams passing on him for roster construction reasons (Philly needs Dunn or Ingram, Simmons isn't a great fit in LA).

His jumpshot could be improved, he might have to switch shooting hands, but I'm starting to think he's being underrated because no one ever lives up to their freshman season hype. Same thing happened with Andrew Wiggins.

Combine numbers will mean a lot for Ben on whether he'll have the same athletic edge on day 1 in the pros.

Post #763 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:42 pm

I used to think Simmons was the better fit for you guys but now I think it's Ingram by a Longshot. You guys are in desperate need of scorers. Simmons can't space the floor and doesn't score with his back to the basket. Plus Ingram will be another guy that can end up as a really good perimeter defender. I just think you guys and Ingram are the perfect fit

Post #764 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:50 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:I used to think Simmons was the better fit for you guys but now I think it's Ingram by a Longshot. You guys are in desperate need of scorers. Simmons can't space the floor and doesn't score with his back to the basket. Plus Ingram will be another guy that can end up as a really good perimeter defender. I just think you guys and Ingram are the perfect fit

We need talent. We can build the team with whatever free agents we can get, but we need talented players first and foremost.

For scoring, I'd argue we need guys who can create their own shot more than shooting. Only IT can consistently create at this stage--ET could sometimes as well. Simmons should be able to fall into that category and greatly help this team.

Post #765 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:55 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:I used to think Simmons was the better fit for you guys but now I think it's Ingram by a Longshot. You guys are in desperate need of scorers. Simmons can't space the floor and doesn't score with his back to the basket. Plus Ingram will be another guy that can end up as a really good perimeter defender. I just think you guys and Ingram are the perfect fit

We need talent. We can build the team with whatever free agents we can get, but we need talented players first and foremost.

For scoring, I'd argue we need guys who can create their own shot more than shooting. Only IT can consistently create at this stage--ET could sometimes as well. Simmons should be able to fall into that category and greatly help this team.

Ingram is much more capable of creating his own shot in the half court than Simmons. Ingram is much more than just a spot up shooter. Some of Simmons biggest question marks are going to be how is he going to score in the half court.

BfB · Post #766 » by **BfB** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:23 am

Ben Simmons on a non-shooting team = 9pts/9bs/4asts and zero defense...pass

BfB · Post #767 » by **BfB** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:24 am

Ben Simmons on a non-shooting team = 9pts/9bs/4asts and zero defense...pass

Post #768 » by **165bows** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:26 am

@adamhimmelsbach Also, for those itching to start this all over again: Celtics have their first NBA draft workout on Wednesday.

lon3lytoaster · Post #769 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:53 am

165bows wrote:
@adamhimmelsbach Also, for those itching to start this all over again: Celtics have their first NBA draft workout on Wednesday.

Any word on who?

Luicampos12 · Post #770 » by **Luicampos12** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:02 am

jfs1000d wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:Ainge will need to sign or trade for someone better than Horford to attract Durant, right?

I don't think so. He could sell Durant on the future.

Obviously. He wants to win now. If you tell him we will have a bright future he will laugh and walk away. Put a Griffin/Butler/Cousins in our team then he will consider signing with us.

Post #771 » by **165bows** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:14 am

lon3lytoaster wrote:
165bows wrote:
@adamhimmelsbach Also, for those itching to start this all over again: Celtics have their first NBA draft workout on Wednesday.

Any word on who?

That's the only bit I've seen on it. Probably low level guys but this year at least they should be able to get anybody in they'd like.

Shamrock · Post #772 » by **Shamrock** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:59 am

lon3lytoaster wrote:Would anyone be confident drafting jaylen brown? I'm not seeing top five pick with this guy. No handle, no footwork, no shot and no passing. I'd love to change my mind but I don't get the type other than his physical profile.

Not a fan. Just reminds me of one of those players that have great athleticism but are never able to fully utilize it due to their lack of handle/feel for the game.

Shamrock · Post #773 » by **Shamrock** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:01 am

165bows wrote:
@adamhimmelsbach Also, for those itching to start this all over again: Celtics have their first NBA draft workout on Wednesday.

Would imagine that none of the top prospects will be working out for teams until they know what spots teams are drafting.

Leprechaun18 · Post #774 » by **Leprechaun18** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 5:53 am

Shamrock wrote:
165bows wrote:
@adamhimmelsbach Also, for those itching to start this all over again: Celtics have their first NBA draft workout on Wednesday.

Would imagine that none of the top prospects will be working out for teams until they know what spots teams are drafting.

The Celtics have picks throughout the entire draft, so I think agents are gonna send their players to workout for the Celtics. Perhaps the reason for the early workout is so they can give a secret promise..

FlatearthZorro · Post #775 » by **FlatearthZorro** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:33 am

Isaiah Thomas to represent the C's at lottery night.

Fidel Sarcasmo · Post #776 » by **Fidel Sarcasmo** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:51 am

The new era of basketball requires high percentage shooting ability. Not in practice, in the game. Exhibit A - Golden State. I'm on the Ingram band wagon, cause we need the ball to go through the actual rim when it's all said and done. Brad's offense got our team a ton of good looks this year. We just aren't a good shooting team overall.

Here's my idea. If we get a top 2 pick. We swing for the fences and go for A. Davis using the other Brooklyn picks. I'm not sure we are allowed to trade the 2017 pic by the way the rules are written.

If it's 3 we could go after Griffin and Butler and keep the other Brooklyn pics.

If it's 4 and 5 are options are more limited. We could still probably get Butler or Griffin but we'd have to give up another Brooklyn pic.

FakeScreenName123 · Post #777 » by **FakeScreenName123** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:07 pm

Shamrock wrote:
lon3lytoaster wrote:Would anyone be confident drafting jaylen brown? I'm not seeing top five pick with this guy. No handle, no footwork, no shot and no passing. I'd love to change my mind but I don't get the type other than his physical profile.

Not a fan. Just reminds me of one of those players that have great athleticism but are never able to fully utilize it due to their lack of handle/feel for the game.

he reminds me of corey maggette but what do i know

radcot · Post #778 » by **radcot** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:08 pm

Fidel Sarcasmo wrote:Here's my idea. If we get a top 2 pick. We swing for the fences and go for A. Davis using the other Brooklyn picks. I'm not sure we are allowed to trade the 2017 pic by the way the rules are written.

Has a link to the rules governing pick swaps been posted on the forum? If so, I missed it and would appreciate seeing it again.

The more I've read about it here and elsewhere, the more confused I get. Since the option to switch picks is ours, I would think that we could trade our 2017 pick, but the right to switch with Brooklyn could not go with it. After all, Brooklyn agreed to the swap option with us not, say, Golden State. The inclusion of our second round pick in the original agreement complicates things even further.

brackdan70 · Post #779 » by **brackdan70** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:27 pm

Fidel Sarcasmo wrote:The new era of basketball requires high percentage shooting ability. Not in practice, in the game. Exhibit A - Golden State. I'm on the Ingram band wagon, cause we need the ball to go through the actual rim when it's all said and done. Brad's offense got our team a ton of good looks this year. We just aren't a good shooting team overall.

Here's my idea. If we get a top 2 pick. We swing for the fences and go for A. Davis using the other Brooklyn picks. I'm not sure we are allowed to trade the 2017 pic by the way the rules are written.

If it's 3 we could go after Griffin and Butler and keep the other Brooklyn pics.

If it's 4 and 5 are options are more limited. We could still probably get Butler or Griffin but we'd have to give up another Brooklyn pic.

Pretty sure we can trade it (2017 with swap rights) as long as we keep a 2018 pick unprotected and keep one of 2016 first rounders. The new team just gets Boston's pick and has the right to swap it with Brooklyn)

Leprechaun18 · Post #780 » by **Leprechaun18** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:41 pm

I wouldn't trade any of the Nets picks! They are just to good. Next years draft is supposed to be real good, and the Nets pick should be real high. The biggest danger to the Celtics future is DA doing some wild trade involving Nets picks like he wanted to with Charlotte last draft.