Brooklyn Nets 2016-17 season Pick Watch Thread

cellar-door · Post #761 » by **cellar-door** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 12:13 am

Orlando is the worst team in the league and it isn't close. They have no offense at all and little chance of developing one without multiple trades.

chrisab123 · Post #762 » by **chrisab123** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 12:41 am

cellar-door wrote:Orlando is the worst team in the league and it isn't close. They have no offense at all and little chance of developing one without multiple trades.

Isn't close? I'd like to hear the argument. Ibaka is a better player than anyone the Nets have (Lopez is injury prone and sucks on D) or at least would be the 2nd best player on the Nets. Gordon has high upside but at the same time they probably would opt to undo that Saric deal.

LarryBirdsFingr · Post #763 » by **LarryBirdsFingr** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 12:41 am

this should level out after a while, but not going to lie, it isa little surprising even taking the strength of schedule into account,but w/e

chrisab123 · Post #764 » by **chrisab123** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 12:47 am

Fruit Pastilles wrote:Will Philly really be that bad? When is Simmons back?

LA also have some good young talent. Maybe the Nets win more games based on their experience but, man, Philly and LA have much better talent on paper.

Phoenix are probably the worst team in the league as of now. I can't see them winning more than Brooklyn. Orlando are in a shambles too.

76ers are going to win 30 or close to it. Really like Saric. Nets will be bottom 5. I can't see Orlando being this bad all year. Suns are awful but I also can't see them as the worst team in the league if Bledsoe makes it through the year. Booker is a dynamic weapon. So the answer for the worst team in the NBA is probably the Lakers or Heat.

cellar-door · Post #765 » by **cellar-door** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 1:40 am

chrisab123 wrote:
cellar-door wrote:Orlando is the worst team in the league and it isn't close. They have no offense at all and little chance of developing one without multiple trades.

Isn't close? I'd like to hear the argument. Ibaka is a better player than anyone the Nets have (Lopez is injury prone and sucks on D) or at least would be the 2nd best player on the Nets. Gordon has high upside but at the same time they probably would opt to undo that Saric deal.

Isn't close is probably hyperbole, but it's a disaster of a roster. They can't score, they can't shoot, they have way too many uncomplimentary bigs, they are playing Gordon at the 3 when he sure looks like a 4. They brought in a coach who struggles to get good offensive sets, and Ibaka continues to decline. It's a weird roster that is less than the sum of its parts.

I think the Nets are clearly better (I think Lopez is better than Ibaka, Lin is better than Fournier, Bogdanovich is probably better than anyone else on Orlando right now) and they actually fit into some semblance of a functional unit.
The Sixers might be worse though, as they showed tonight, a roster just loaded with guys who range between may be good and will be good, but few are actually good now with any consistency.

Zaschrona · Post #766 » by **Zaschrona** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 5:55 pm

I think Nets have the worst roster in the league. However they likely won't end up last because they have every reason to try to win every game.
- Orlando are really missing a shooter and a good playmaker. Hopefully Hezonja shows signs of improvement, Fournier continues his development from the last year, and Gordon is moved back to PF soon again. They are going to be bad, but have way more talent than Brooklyn. Hopefully make a trade or two soon. Think they should be better than Nets, but are going to struggle and will be needed to keep an eye on them.
- Phoenix had quite tough schedule so far. SAC, OKC, GSW and LAC, all teams clearly better. They are quite a lot better on paper than Nets. However they have tough division, they are too young. They should be quite decent though, Warren is balling so far, Booker should be back soon and Bledsoe should be hopefully healthy again as Len should be better this year, but they may be injured again and are prime candidates to make some tanking moves. Will be close again.
- New Orleans are looking really bad. Davis and then nothing. Holiday and Evans are out and are unlikely to come back soon. They are going to tank had this season and will be really bad. Tough division too. Definetely should be watched.
- Philadelphia are bad, but a lot better this year and it may be actually a duel this year. Three talented centers, Simmons and Saric, Rodriguez is looking decent, Covington, Holmes, Henderson, now Ilyasova... even Thompson looked decent in a game yesterday. They have way more talent than Brooklyn and it should result in more wins this year definetely, especially if they trade one of their bigs for a guard.
- Lakers are looking quite ok for me. They are young, but have a lot of talent with some experience, they definetely should be better than Nets. Tough division, but I can't imagine how they won't win at least 25 games with their roster. Russell, Clarkson, Huertas, Calderon, Williams, Young, Deng, Ingram, Randle, Robinson, Nance, Black, Mozgov, Zubac. All NBA caliber players.
- Miami are going to be bad this year, but still have a lot more talent than Nets. Dragic, Johnson, Waiters, Winslow, Whiteside. They will be bad, but unless they tank really hard and have an amazingly bad luck with injuries, will be better than Nets.

All other teams are clearly way better than Nets. Unless anything drastic happens, we are looking on a pre-lottery top 5 pick at worst. Way more likely a top 3 though. Only Philadelphia and Phoenix are similar tier as them and realistically I can see only NO and Orlando so bad to join them this year. This will be fun.

Post #767 » by **Slartibartfast** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 6:16 pm

cellar-door wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
cellar-door wrote:Orlando is the worst team in the league and it isn't close. They have no offense at all and little chance of developing one without multiple trades.

Isn't close? I'd like to hear the argument. Ibaka is a better player than anyone the Nets have (Lopez is injury prone and sucks on D) or at least would be the 2nd best player on the Nets. Gordon has high upside but at the same time they probably would opt to undo that Saric deal.

Isn't close is probably hyperbole, but it's a disaster of a roster. They can't score, they can't shoot, they have way too many uncomplimentary bigs, they are playing Gordon at the 3 when he sure looks like a 4. They brought in a coach who struggles to get good offensive sets, and Ibaka continues to decline. It's a weird roster that is less than the sum of its parts.

I think the Nets are clearly better (I think Lopez is better than Ibaka, Lin is better than Fournier, Bogdanovich is probably better than anyone else on Orlando right now) and they actually fit into some semblance of a functional unit.
The Sixers might be worse though, as they showed tonight, a roster just loaded with guys who range between may be good and will be good, but few are actually good now with any consistency.

Lopez is playing like 22 minutes a game and skipping back to backs. He's also been marginalized in the offense. He's almost a complete non-factor if they keep on using him that way. And Bogey is probably the worst defender in the NBA. He has some strong offensive stretches, but he's so bad defensively that it doesn't matter. Incredibly slow laterally, poor reaction times, awful balance, cement feet - he gets destroyed off the dribble and destroys team defensive concepts because he can't help and recover.

They have enough offensive ability to jump on teams when they totally fall asleep (as our guys did), but otherwise they have no winning gameplan.

galipeautim · Post #768 » by **galipeautim** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 8:08 pm

The Nets are just as bad as we thought they were. They are a lock in my opinion to finish with less than 25 wins. However, I did not foresee there being this many bad teams this year with many of last years basement teams improving on paper. Unfortunately, Orlando, Phoenix, Philly, LAL and New Orleans are so bad that the Nets could lose 60 games and not finish in the bottom 5. I still think the Nets will end up in the basement, but their competition is much stronger than I originally thought.

rickrolled · Post #769 » by **rickrolled** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 9:07 pm

Nets plays 5 mid western teams in their first 7 games.

Indiana - W
Milwaukee - L
Chicago - L
Detroit Nov 2
Minnesota Nov 8

Minny hasnt won yet and Detroit is never a lock to beat the Nets.

truth18 · Post #770 » by **truth18** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 9:10 pm

rickrolled wrote:Minny hasnt won yet

Minny ended the Grizzlies franchise last night.

rickrolled · Post #771 » by **rickrolled** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 9:14 pm

truth18 wrote:
rickrolled wrote:Minny hasnt won yet

Minny ended the Grizzlies franchise last night.

Good call man..I missed that

jrob23 · Post #772 » by **jrob23** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 9:38 pm

PHI just deal Grant for Ersan Ilyasova and a conditional 1st rounder. With him and Simmons coming back I'm sure they'll be much better than the Nets. Though, they don't seem interested in winning as they have minute restrictions on their bigs and even sit them on alternate days. But if they ever get Noel and Simmons back 100% they are probably best positioned to become real good real fast. Our rivalry with them is going to be outstanding.

shawn unkempt · Post #773 » by **shawn unkempt** » Wed Nov 2, 2016 9:42 pm

galipeautim wrote:The Nets are just as bad as we thought they were. They are a lock in my opinion to finish with less than 25 wins. However, I did not foresee there being this many bad teams this year with many of last years basement teams improving on paper. Unfortunately, Orlando, Phoenix, Philly, LAL and New Orleans are so bad that the Nets could lose 60 games and not finish in the bottom 5. I still think the Nets will end up in the basement, but their competition is much stronger than I originally thought.

Agree completely. It's insane how these bottom tier teams don't improve no matter how much they shuffle the deck.

jrob23 · Post #774 » by **jrob23** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 1:59 am

truth18 wrote:Y'all were trying to tell me this team is going to be decent. Lmao.

Shout out to Prok (the poster), he's the most intelligent member of that board by far, but this team isn't winning 24 games.

not really sure I've read anyone say they'd be "decent". But good enough to win games and decrease our chances at the #1 pick unfortunately.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #775 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 2:05 am

Nets won tonight, are 2-3....

hood30 · Post #776 » by **hood30** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 2:51 am

Keep thinking Nets is a bottom team...They really haven't utilized Brook Lopez properly until tonight and now, he's even knocking down 3Point shots, although I'd rather he only shoot maybe 1 per game.

So there're 2-3 now and there's plenty of team behind them..their first 10 games was suppose to be one of the toughest, so not bad so far..I'm sure everyone expected 1-10 or 2-8 in the first 10 games but not going to happen...They will compete every night..Believe that.

On a bad note, Lin got injured tonight with a left hamstring and he's really been good for the Nets so far...

shawn unkempt · Post #777 » by **shawn unkempt** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 2:57 am

hood30 wrote:Keep thinking Nets is a bottom team...They really haven't utilized Brook Lopez properly until tonight and now, he's even knocking down 3Point shots, although I'd rather he only shoot maybe 1 per game.

So there're 2-3 now and there's plenty of team behind them..their first 10 games was suppose to be one of the toughest, so not bad so far..I'm sure everyone expected 1-10 or 2-8 in the first 10 games but not going to happen...They will compete every night..Believe that.

On a bad note, Lin got injured tonight with a left hamstring and he's really been good for the Nets so far...

They needed a career night from Lopez to beat the Pistons. Something tells me they're still trash.

hood30 · Post #778 » by **hood30** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:14 am

shawn unkempt wrote:
hood30 wrote:Keep thinking Nets is a bottom team...They really haven't utilized Brook Lopez properly until tonight and now, he's even knocking down 3Point shots, although I'd rather he only shoot maybe 1 per game.

So there're 2-3 now and there's plenty of team behind them..their first 10 games was suppose to be one of the toughest, so not bad so far..I'm sure everyone expected 1-10 or 2-8 in the first 10 games but not going to happen...They will compete every night..Believe that.

On a bad note, Lin got injured tonight with a left hamstring and he's really been good for the Nets so far...

They needed a career night from Lopez to beat the Pistons. Something tells me they're still trash.

Some of that had to do with Lin getting injured at the end of the second quarter and Whitehead, the rookie back-up PG, doing poorly...Whitehead should be in the D-League and when Lin, Foye and Vasquez come back, this is where he will go.

This game only tightened up because an undrafted rookie was forced into major minutes...If Lin hadn't gotten hurt, this would had been a 20 point blow-out...I also thought Atkinson was too slow to put Brook back in the game, allowing Detroit to make a deep run with Lopez still on the bench.

This new motion offense is looking very nice and they can at least put some points on the board, specially now that Brook is getting more comfortable with it..They've clearly been making a strong effort to feed Brook the ball through the motion-offense and he's getting stronger stats line.

As I've stated, this team is better than people think...Lin is a huge upgrade on anyone they had at PG last year and Kenny's motion offense is looking good...They still look bad on defense and this is probably what's holding them back at the moment..If they can improve slightly, I think this team can compete for the 8th seed..No doubt.

Of course, Lin and Vasquez and Foye needs to be healthy....They better pray Lopez stays healthy too.

Patsfan1081 · Post #779 » by **Patsfan1081** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:35 am

hood30 wrote:Keep thinking Nets is a bottom team...They really haven't utilized Brook Lopez properly until tonight and now, he's even knocking down 3Point shots, although I'd rather he only shoot maybe 1 per game.

So there're 2-3 now and there's plenty of team behind them..their first 10 games was suppose to be one of the toughest, so not bad so far..I'm sure everyone expected 1-10 or 2-8 in the first 10 games but not going to happen...They will compete every night..Believe that.

On a bad note, Lin got injured tonight with a left hamstring and he's really been good for the Nets so far...

Nets were 72/70% shooting at halftime tonight, ending up shooting 50% from three for the game. Kilpatrick, who was in the d-league last season, looked like Curry tonight. They will win games off of hustle and some nights were they have really good shooting nights but that's to be expected for most teams. It's way too early to jump the gun and say they haven't utilized Lopez correctly for the past three seasons, but even is he has expanded his offensive game that will just make him more likely to get traded this season. Everyone said they had no reason to tank and would compete every night last seasons that was with a better roster. That being said they might have found something in Kilpatrick who's never really been given a oppertunity to play big minutes anywhere, besides Lopez, he would be the one offensive player I'd worry about.

Patsfan1081 · Post #780 » by **Patsfan1081** » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:38 am

hood30 wrote:
shawn unkempt wrote:
hood30 wrote:Keep thinking Nets is a bottom team...They really haven't utilized Brook Lopez properly until tonight and now, he's even knocking down 3Point shots, although I'd rather he only shoot maybe 1 per game.

So there're 2-3 now and there's plenty of team behind them..their first 10 games was suppose to be one of the toughest, so not bad so far..I'm sure everyone expected 1-10 or 2-8 in the first 10 games but not going to happen...They will compete every night..Believe that.

On a bad note, Lin got injured tonight with a left hamstring and he's really been good for the Nets so far...

They needed a career night from Lopez to beat the Pistons. Something tells me they're still trash.

Some of that had to do with Lin getting injured at the end of the second quarter and Whitehead, the rookie back-up PG, doing poorly...Whitehead should be in the D-League and when Lin, Foye and Vasquez come back, this is where he will go.

This game only tightened up because an undrafted rookie was forced into major minutes...If Lin hadn't gotten hurt, this would had been a 20 point blow-out...I also thought Atkinson was too slow to put Brook back in the game, allowing Detroit to make a deep run with Lopez still on the bench.

This new motion offense is looking very nice and they can at least put some points on the board, specially now that Brook is getting more comfortable with it..They've clearly been making a strong effort to feed Brook the ball through the motion-offense and he's getting stronger stats line.

As I've stated, this team is better than people think...Lin is a huge upgrade on anyone they had at PG last year and Kenny's motion offense is looking good...They still look bad on defense and this is probably what's holding them back at the moment..If they can improve slightly, I think this team can compete for the 8th seed..No doubt.

Of course, Lin and Vasquez and Foye needs to be healthy....They better pray Lopez stays healthy too.

The score was what it was because the Nets shot lights out, Lin not getting injured would have taken away from Kilpatrick's minutes, who was playing lights out. Two wins early on......they aren't close to sniffing the playoffs this season, let's be honest. Saying no doubt at the end of your comment doesn't make it true either. There team has shoot really efficiently to start the season, but that isn't the norm for any of them except maybe Bogdonavic. Lin is known for having a good start and tailing off.