Hayward Undecided

[Fencer reregistered]

I had a dream I posted a pic on this board and I'm relieved to find out it didn't actually happen.

So are we.

[Captain_Caveman]

I had a dream I posted a pic on this board and I'm relieved to find out it didn't actually happen.

Good thing, too.

Would get confusing if we had both a player and a poster nicknamed "The Little Guy".

[Curmudgeon]

Porzingis sent a huge message when he skipped his exit interview. If that had not happened, no way Phil would trade him. But it did happen. Porzingis doesn't want to be a Knick.

On the flip side, Phil doesn't want Carmello to be a Knick. I don't think he's trading Porzingis unless the deal in question also helps get Melo out of town. I don't think Ainge wants Melo, who has negative trade value. But Boston might facilitate moving Melo to a third team and get Porzingis as the prize.

[Hikari]

Remember at the time all the threads that Hayward was not worth the MAX. It's not like he was a clear cut Max player when that contact came. He has improved a lot since then. Plus that was pre Quinn Snyder.

[SparringPartner]

In all seriousness the Jazz have a great chance to keep Hayward. I mean just read a quote from H20's website in an article he wrote to cap the current season.

"Most importantly, I want to thank the fans for their support this season. I know we didn’t meet all of the expectations, but you stayed loyal. It was amazing to experience and we don’t take you for granted at all. We want to win for you, and we’re excited for what’s to come. It didn’t work out this season, but hopefully, every single member of our team is using that feeling of going home early as fuel for next year.

It’s definitely fuel for me. I can’t stand watching these playoff teams play, and not be able to be a part of it."

With that said, his PR people could have wrote it, but at least it is hope for the Jazz. It most be tough to have your main players leave or even potentially leave. The Celtics fans have been spoiled up unto this point in that regard. I guess Ray leaving would count though. Fcking trader!

[SparringPartner]

Porzingis sent a huge message when he skipped his exit interview. If that had not happened, no way Phil would trade him. But it did happen. Porzingis doesn't want to be a Knick.

On the flip side, Phil doesn't want Carmello to be a Knick. I don't think he's trading Porzingis unless the deal in question also helps get Melo out of town. I don't think Ainge wants Melo, who has negative trade value. But Boston might facilitate moving Melo to a third team and get Porzingis as the prize.

Porzingis is under his rookie deal. It doesn't matter what he wants. What is he going to do, sit out the season? You don't trade unicorns. You fix the issues around them.

Remember when Magic Johnson requested a trade through the media in 81. They weren't going to trade him, he just wanted changes.

[SparringPartner]

Remember at the time all the threads that Hayward was not worth the MAX. It's not like he was a clear cut Max player when that contact came. He has improved a lot since then. Plus that was pre Quinn Snyder.

Dude, it is all about ownership loyalty. You either believe in players or not, because believe me, players ALWAYS think they are worth the max. What Utah did in 2014 with H20 was a big gamble considering it was over a $1M a year. It might come back to haunt them because H20 is an amazing player.

[Asian Celtic]

Porzingis sent a huge message when he skipped his exit interview. If that had not happened, no way Phil would trade him. But it did happen. Porzingis doesn't want to be a Knick.

On the flip side, Phil doesn't want Carmello to be a Knick. I don't think he's trading Porzingis unless the deal in question also helps get Melo out of town. I don't think Ainge wants Melo, who has negative trade value. But Boston might facilitate moving Melo to a third team and get Porzingis as the prize.

Phil must be on crack if he's using Porzingis as a means of resetting the Team to be off the books with Melo. Melo's NTC must be killing Phil right now.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Porzingis sent a huge message when he skipped his exit interview. If that had not happened, no way Phil would trade him. But it did happen. Porzingis doesn't want to be a Knick.

On the flip side, Phil doesn't want Carmello to be a Knick. I don't think he's trading Porzingis unless the deal in question also helps get Melo out of town. I don't think Ainge wants Melo, who has negative trade value. But Boston might facilitate moving Melo to a third team and get Porzingis as the prize.

Phil must be on crack if he's using Porzingis as a means of resetting the Team to be off the books with Melo. Melo's NTC must be killing Phil right now.

I was thinking more that a good Melo trade that orients NY to the future could give them the flexibility to deal Porzingis. Otherwise they'll want to rebuild with him as a key piece.

Knicks have cap room too, though. I'd say tying KP to Noah's money makes more sense. But they'll probably try to sign a point guard or a big.

[Hikari]

Hayward is still an instance of growing into his contact. Most of his elevation in the eyes of the National media was not until this year.

Hayward worked out at the price but when the cap was smaller in 2012 you could not always throw max money at potential. There are lots of instances in that time frame of really bad contracts.

Smart players understand that. I am by no means in Hayward's inner circle but I have spoken with him at several season ticket holder events and he really understands the business.

Like I said before he may sign with the Celtics. I just wish we could get to July and get it over with.

[Hikari]

Here is one of the threads from when he was a RFA. The Jazz were pretty clear they would match anything offered.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1331120&hilit=Hayward+max+mistake#start_here

Nice conversation thanks for not jumping a over me and telling me to go home.

[Fencer reregistered]

In all seriousness the Jazz have a great chance to keep Hayward. I mean just read a quote from H20's website in an article he wrote to cap the current season.

"Most importantly, I want to thank the fans for their support this season. I know we didn’t meet all of the expectations, but you stayed loyal. It was amazing to experience and we don’t take you for granted at all. We want to win for you, and we’re excited for what’s to come. It didn’t work out this season, but hopefully, every single member of our team is using that feeling of going home early as fuel for next year.

It’s definitely fuel for me. I can’t stand watching these playoff teams play, and not be able to be a part of it."

With that said, his PR people could have wrote it, but at least it is hope for the Jazz. It most be tough to have your main players leave or even potentially leave. The Celtics fans have been spoiled up unto this point in that regard. I guess Ray leaving would count though. Fcking trader!

I can't find that there. Do you have a link that I'm overlooking?

http://www.gordonhayward20.life/

[Andrew McCeltic]

Hayward is still an instance of growing into his contact. Most of his elevation in the eyes of the National media was not until this year.

Hayward worked out at the price but when the cap was smaller in 2012 you could not always throw max money at potential. There are lots of instances in that time frame of really bad contracts.

Smart players understand that. I am by no means in Hayward's inner circle but I have spoken with him at several season ticket holder events and he really understands the business.

Like I said before he may sign with the Celtics. I just wish we could get to July and get it over with.

You're right he wasn't an unequivocal max guy, but a team in a larger market would have paid him immediately.

I actually think Utah's set up pretty well if Hayward leaves. Gobert is under contract, and if Hill goes too, you have 25 million in cap room. You can go after Gallo, or try to split the money on Rudy Gay and Jeff Teague. Or, you know, try to do something like Favors for Eric Bledsoe. There are ways to tread water, break even.

[SparringPartner]

In all seriousness the Jazz have a great chance to keep Hayward. I mean just read a quote from H20's website in an article he wrote to cap the current season.

"Most importantly, I want to thank the fans for their support this season. I know we didn’t meet all of the expectations, but you stayed loyal. It was amazing to experience and we don’t take you for granted at all. We want to win for you, and we’re excited for what’s to come. It didn’t work out this season, but hopefully, every single member of our team is using that feeling of going home early as fuel for next year.

It’s definitely fuel for me. I can’t stand watching these playoff teams play, and not be able to be a part of it."

With that said, his PR people could have wrote it, but at least it is hope for the Jazz. It most be tough to have your main players leave or even potentially leave. The Celtics fans have been spoiled up unto this point in that regard. I guess Ray leaving would count though. Fcking trader!

I can't find that there. Do you have a link that I'm overlooking?

http://www.gordonhayward20.life/

Under the first pic.

http://www.gordonhayward20.life/2016/05/10/looking-back/

[SparringPartner]

In all seriousness the Jazz have a great chance to keep Hayward. I mean just read a quote from H20's website in an article he wrote to cap the current season.

"Most importantly, I want to thank the fans for their support this season. I know we didn’t meet all of the expectations, but you stayed loyal. It was amazing to experience and we don’t take you for granted at all. We want to win for you, and we’re excited for what’s to come. It didn’t work out this season, but hopefully, every single member of our team is using that feeling of going home early as fuel for next year.

It’s definitely fuel for me. I can’t stand watching these playoff teams play, and not be able to be a part of it."

With that said, his PR people could have wrote it, but at least it is hope for the Jazz. It most be tough to have your main players leave or even potentially leave. The Celtics fans have been spoiled up unto this point in that regard. I guess Ray leaving would count though. Fcking trader!

I can't find that there. Do you have a link that I'm overlooking?

http://www.gordonhayward20.life/

Under the first pic.

http://www.gordonhayward20.life/2016/05/10/looking-back/

Oh ****. This is from 2016!!! Hayward is ours......

[SparringPartner]

Here is one of the threads from when he was a RFA. The Jazz were pretty clear they would match anything offered.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1331120&hilit=Hayward+max+mistake#start_here

Nice conversation thanks for not jumping a over me and telling me to go home.

All good man!

That decision by the Jazz cost Hayward money, plan and simple. You do not mess with a man's money. Remember again, these players feel like they are MAX players, especially when another team proves that (Hornets). To make him go beg for it...damn.

Its to bad if he leaves because that is a good team with a good coach, but H20 on the C's with #1 and assets to do more. We are taking down the CAVS baby! Not to mention, only undefeted team at Oracle the last two years...the Boston fcking Celtics!

[reload141]

Here is one of the threads from when he was a RFA. The Jazz were pretty clear they would match anything offered.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1331120&hilit=Hayward+max+mistake#start_here

Nice conversation thanks for not jumping a over me and telling me to go home.

Don't think there's any bad blood there but he wanted to re-sign with the Jazz and they didn't want to meet his monetary demands so he went out and signed with Charlotte then they matched... doesn't sound great but i'm sure he's over it by now.

[3D Chess]

Quickly on the Porzingis idea, I do think he gets slightly over-rated. IMO, there isn't a great difference between him and Myles Turner. Maybe it's Turner whose under-rated?

He is, but you could never steal him in a trade unfortunately. Would love him here.

[stitches]

Hayward is still an instance of growing into his contact. Most of his elevation in the eyes of the National media was not until this year.

Hayward worked out at the price but when the cap was smaller in 2012 you could not always throw max money at potential. There are lots of instances in that time frame of really bad contracts.

Smart players understand that. I am by no means in Hayward's inner circle but I have spoken with him at several season ticket holder events and he really understands the business.

Like I said before he may sign with the Celtics. I just wish we could get to July and get it over with.

You're right he wasn't an unequivocal max guy, but a team in a larger market would have paid him immediately.

I actually think Utah's set up pretty well if Hayward leaves. Gobert is under contract, and if Hill goes too, you have 25 million in cap room. You can go after Gallo, or try to split the money on Rudy Gay and Jeff Teague. Or, you know, try to do something like Favors for Eric Bledsoe. There are ways to tread water, break even.

Yes, we are set up for an eternal treadmill. Why don't you guys go after Gallo, Rudy Gay and Jeff teague instead of Hayward and just leave him to us? They are good for you to "tread water, break even"...

[SmartWentCrazy]

On Sam Vecenie's podcast today, he had a quick tidbit on Hayward. Said something to the effect of those connected to league circles are saying that Hayward is starting to lean more towards the Celtics than Utah.

Weird place to drop it, as it was at the beginning of a podcast about the Knicks, but interesting nonetheless.