Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[cl2117]

Assume Ainge is going to take someone other than Fultz/Ball just as a hypothetical, so it behooves us to trade back to #3 rather than waste #1 on them when they're still available at #3.

What is the package from Philly that you accept?

Simmons and the third pick. Nothing less

Yep. If Philly doesn't want to accept (they don't), then they don't get Fultz. I'm not trading our best asset for Philly's spare parts so they can build a dynasty.

This is a hypothetical in which Ainge is taking someone other than Fultz or Ball. Let's say he doesn't give a **** what the consensus is and he's set on Jackson or Fox as being the best prospect. You wouldn't take him at #1 since he's going to be there at #3. So you might as well trade down.

What do you think is the best package that Philly would actually give up? It ain't gonna be SImmons and #3.

I'm not advocating for this path to be taken, but 2 weeks to the draft and we don't have anything better to talk about that hasn't been discussed ad nauseam. Just for **** and giggles what do you think we could get?

[Homerclease]

Simmons and the third pick. Nothing less

Yep. If Philly doesn't want to accept (they don't), then they don't get Fultz. I'm not trading our best asset for Philly's spare parts so they can build a dynasty.

This is a hypothetical in which Ainge is taking someone other than Fultz or Ball. Let's say he doesn't give a **** what the consensus is and he's set on Jackson or Fox as being the best prospect. You wouldn't take him at #1 since he's going to be there at #3. So you might as well trade down.

What do you think is the best package that Philly would actually give up? It ain't gonna be SImmons and #3.

I'm not advocating for this path to be taken, but 2 weeks to the draft and we don't have anything better to talk about that hasn't been discussed ad nauseam. Just for **** and giggles what do you think we could get?

Simmons + Embiid and the third pick.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Simmons and the third pick. Nothing less

Yep. If Philly doesn't want to accept (they don't), then they don't get Fultz. I'm not trading our best asset for Philly's spare parts so they can build a dynasty.

This is a hypothetical in which Ainge is taking someone other than Fultz or Ball. Let's say he doesn't give a **** what the consensus is and he's set on Jackson or Fox as being the best prospect. You wouldn't take him at #1 since he's going to be there at #3. So you might as well trade down.

What do you think is the best package that Philly would actually give up? It ain't gonna be SImmons and #3.

I'm not advocating for this path to be taken, but 2 weeks to the draft and we don't have anything better to talk about that hasn't been discussed ad nauseam. Just for **** and giggles what do you think we could get?

The best you could hope Philly would offer? 3, LAC18, SAC19, Holmes. And I still tell them to go pound sand, personally. Quality is all that matters in this league, and Fultz is significantly more talented than Jackson. I want an MVP candidate, not an all-star.

[cl2117]

Yep. If Philly doesn't want to accept (they don't), then they don't get Fultz. I'm not trading our best asset for Philly's spare parts so they can build a dynasty.

This is a hypothetical in which Ainge is taking someone other than Fultz or Ball. Let's say he doesn't give a **** what the consensus is and he's set on Jackson or Fox as being the best prospect. You wouldn't take him at #1 since he's going to be there at #3. So you might as well trade down.

What do you think is the best package that Philly would actually give up? It ain't gonna be SImmons and #3.

I'm not advocating for this path to be taken, but 2 weeks to the draft and we don't have anything better to talk about that hasn't been discussed ad nauseam. Just for **** and giggles what do you think we could get?

Simmons + Embiid and the third pick.

You must be fun at parties.

[Homerclease]

Yep. If Philly doesn't want to accept (they don't), then they don't get Fultz. I'm not trading our best asset for Philly's spare parts so they can build a dynasty.

This is a hypothetical in which Ainge is taking someone other than Fultz or Ball. Let's say he doesn't give a **** what the consensus is and he's set on Jackson or Fox as being the best prospect. You wouldn't take him at #1 since he's going to be there at #3. So you might as well trade down.

What do you think is the best package that Philly would actually give up? It ain't gonna be SImmons and #3.

I'm not advocating for this path to be taken, but 2 weeks to the draft and we don't have anything better to talk about that hasn't been discussed ad nauseam. Just for **** and giggles what do you think we could get?

The best you could hope Philly would offer? 3, LAC18, SAC19, Holmes. And I still tell them to go pound sand, personally. Quality is all that matters in this league, and Fultz is significantly more talented than Jackson. I want an MVP candidate, not an all-star.

Yep. Celtics hold the top overall pick, there is no negotiation. The price is the price. Trading down out of the top spot has only happened one time in NBA history because it's stupid ridiculous crazy expensive.

[Homerclease]

This is a hypothetical in which Ainge is taking someone other than Fultz or Ball. Let's say he doesn't give a **** what the consensus is and he's set on Jackson or Fox as being the best prospect. You wouldn't take him at #1 since he's going to be there at #3. So you might as well trade down.

What do you think is the best package that Philly would actually give up? It ain't gonna be SImmons and #3.

I'm not advocating for this path to be taken, but 2 weeks to the draft and we don't have anything better to talk about that hasn't been discussed ad nauseam. Just for **** and giggles what do you think we could get?

Simmons + Embiid and the third pick.

You must be fun at parties.

Nice to go right into personal insults. We have all the negotiating power, if Philly wants the top pick they have to pay up. That's all there is to it

[cl2117]

Ugh sometimes I hate the internet. Or maybe it's just the people on it.

[SmartWentCrazy]

This is a hypothetical in which Ainge is taking someone other than Fultz or Ball. Let's say he doesn't give a **** what the consensus is and he's set on Jackson or Fox as being the best prospect. You wouldn't take him at #1 since he's going to be there at #3. So you might as well trade down.

What do you think is the best package that Philly would actually give up? It ain't gonna be SImmons and #3.

I'm not advocating for this path to be taken, but 2 weeks to the draft and we don't have anything better to talk about that hasn't been discussed ad nauseam. Just for **** and giggles what do you think we could get?

The best you could hope Philly would offer? 3, LAC18, SAC19, Holmes. And I still tell them to go pound sand, personally. Quality is all that matters in this league, and Fultz is significantly more talented than Jackson. I want an MVP candidate, not an all-star.

Yep. Celtics hold the top overall pick, there is no negotiation. The price is the price. Trading down out of the top spot has only happened one time in NBA history because it's stupid ridiculous crazy expensive.

It's happened more than once. Penny+Picks for Webber and Joe Barry Carroll for McHale+Parrish are at least two.

But it hasn't happened in 25+ years for a reason. Talent decreases exponentially the further down the board you go. That matters.

[cl2117]

Simmons + Embiid and the third pick.

You must be fun at parties.

Nice to go right into personal insults. We have all the negotiating power, if Philly wants the top pick they have to pay up. That's all their is to it

You didn't even attempt to realistically respond to a stupid hypothetical. What do you want from me? That's stupid and annoying. If you don't want to even make an attempt then don't respond.

[Homerclease]

Ugh sometimes I hate the internet. Or maybe it's just the people on it.

You hate that people disagree with you on a message board? Perhaps this place isn't for you.

[Homerclease]

You must be fun at parties.

Nice to go right into personal insults. We have all the negotiating power, if Philly wants the top pick they have to pay up. That's all their is to it

You didn't even attempt to realistically respond to a stupid hypothetical. What do you want from me? That's stupid and annoying. If you don't want to even make an attempt then don't respond.

You don't get the entire concept. We can play the what if game with hypotheticals all day long. The Celtics have the top overall pick, if philly wants it, it costs one of their premium assets regardless of who the Celtics want to select.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Ugh sometimes I hate the internet. Or maybe it's just the people on it.

Relax, man. I get the excercise, but people disagree with the premises of hypotheticals sometimes.

I disagree that Ainge will have someone other than Fultz at 1, but if he did I want him to just pick the dude. Don't get cute and risk the Lakers/Sixers taking your guy, just select the guy you see as best in the draft. Trying to scratch out additional marginal value isn't worth the risk of not getting who you want.

[Homerclease]

I'll try a hypothetical, the Celtics really want Markelle Fultz and you have a magic ball that sees into the future and tells you that Fultz is a top 5 player within 3 years. What do you accept in a trade? Dario Saric?

[Shamrock]

I'll try a hypothetical, the Celtics really want Markelle Fultz and you have a magic ball that sees into the future and tells you that Fultz is a top 5 player within 3 years. What do you accept in a trade? Dario Saric?

Nothing. I don't accept any player if Fultz is that good that quick

[cl2117]

Nice to go right into personal insults. We have all the negotiating power, if Philly wants the top pick they have to pay up. That's all their is to it

You didn't even attempt to realistically respond to a stupid hypothetical. What do you want from me? That's stupid and annoying. If you don't want to even make an attempt then don't respond.

You don't get the entire concept. We can play the what if game with hypotheticals all day long. The Celtics have the top overall pick, if philly wants it, it costs one of their premium assets regardless of who the Celtics want to select.

No you clearly don't get the concept of a hypothetical as evidenced by your responses. I'll just put you on ignore.

Ugh sometimes I hate the internet. Or maybe it's just the people on it.

Relax, man. I get the excercise, but people disagree with the premises of hypotheticals sometimes. Lets just leave it there.

I disagree that Ainge will have someone other than Fultz at 1, but if he did I want him to just pick the dude. Don't get cute and risk the Lakers/Sixers taking your guy, just select the guy you see as best in the draft. Trying to scratch out additional marginal value isn't worth the risk of not getting who you want.

I'm not talking about you at least you gave me a reasonable response. It's one thing to disagree with the premise of a hypothetical, it's another entirely to respond ludicrously to it. If you don't want to participate in it just leave it. I mean come on.

[Homerclease]

You didn't even attempt to realistically respond to a stupid hypothetical. What do you want from me? That's stupid and annoying. If you don't want to even make an attempt then don't respond.

You don't get the entire concept. We can play the what if game with hypotheticals all day long. The Celtics have the top overall pick, if philly wants it, it costs one of their premium assets regardless of who the Celtics want to select.

No you clearly don't get the concept of a hypothetical as evidenced by your responses. I'll just put you on ignore.

Ugh sometimes I hate the internet. Or maybe it's just the people on it.

Relax, man. I get the excercise, but people disagree with the premises of hypotheticals sometimes. Lets just leave it there.

I disagree that Ainge will have someone other than Fultz at 1, but if he did I want him to just pick the dude. Don't get cute and risk the Lakers/Sixers taking your guy, just select the guy you see as best in the draft. Trying to scratch out additional marginal value isn't worth the risk of not getting who you want.

I'm not talking about you at least you gave me a reasonable response. It's one thing to disagree with the premise of a hypothetical, it's another entirely to respond ludicrously to it. If you don't want to participate in it just leave it. I mean come on.

The circumstances don't matter in this equation, I don't know how else to explain it. The first pick is so much more valuable than the third. The gap is enormous, huge, i really don't know how else to explain my position. Who we want to take doesn't really matter in the end. They could have Frank Ntilikina as their highest rated guy on their board, im STILL asking for pick 3 and Simmons for my pick, take it or leave it.

[TragicBronson]

Not even close. Nobody has traded down from the top overall pick since Chris Webber and the cost to do that was far greater than any offer I've seen thus far on these forums

Assume Ainge is going to take someone other than Fultz/Ball just as a hypothetical, so it behooves us to trade back to #3 rather than waste #1 on them when they're still available at #3.

What is the package from Philly that you accept?

Simmons and the third pick. Nothing less

I wouldn't trade Simmons for Fultz, let alone adding the 3rd pick as well.

[Homerclease]

Assume Ainge is going to take someone other than Fultz/Ball just as a hypothetical, so it behooves us to trade back to #3 rather than waste #1 on them when they're still available at #3.

What is the package from Philly that you accept?

Simmons and the third pick. Nothing less

I wouldn't trade Simmons for Fultz, let alone adding the 3rd pick as well.

I wouldn't expect philly to. That's why the Celtics aren't trading the pick and they are taking Fultz

[SmartWentCrazy]

Assume Ainge is going to take someone other than Fultz/Ball just as a hypothetical, so it behooves us to trade back to #3 rather than waste #1 on them when they're still available at #3.

What is the package from Philly that you accept?

Simmons and the third pick. Nothing less

I wouldn't trade Simmons for Fultz, let alone adding the 3rd pick as well.

Don't misconstrue this as our declaration of fair value-- it's not. It's just that, if you want our best asset, we're not going to accept your spare parts. In order to land Fultz, Simmons will need to be in the deal from Boston's perspective. If you want a stud, it'll cost you a stud.

[Homerclease]

Simmons and the third pick. Nothing less

I wouldn't trade Simmons for Fultz, let alone adding the 3rd pick as well.

Don't misconstrue this as our declaration of fair value-- it's not. It's just that, if you want our best asset, we're not going to accept your spare parts. In order to land Fultz, Simmons will need to be in the deal from Boston's perspective. If you want a stud, it'll cost you a stud.

Someone gets it!