2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

playa-hater · Post #761 » by **playa-hater** » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:20 pm

RickyDizzle wrote:
100proof wrote:
RickyDizzle wrote:
Realistic... Vassel, Nesmith, Kira Lewis, Terry, Precious, Pat Williams, J Smith, S Bey (in that order) or a slider at 14

At 26, Lewis, J Smith, S. Bey or Ramsey

At 30, Ramsey, T. Bey, Carey, Read, Reed

Guys I want no part of Hampton, Anthony, Maxey, Maledon, McDaniels, Green, Pokemon.

I have always been pretty high on Hampton, he is looking better and better since the shutdown.

Why are you down on him?

Too skinny... and 3pt% is not good. I think he's kind of an Evan Turner / Exum type guy. Pretty good handle and feel, but where in today's NBA is there space for a guard that can't shoot? Lots of turnovers too.

he is far faster than ET and Exum will ever be though.. and taking him at 26, not 14 is what I am pushing for..

31to6 · Post #762 » by **31to6** » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:36 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:I would expect every player to be doing that, but not many have improved their lateral quickness upon entering the NBA.

Maybe they could change his bone structure tho?

31to6 · Post #763 » by **31to6** » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:38 pm

playa-hater wrote:I have have a new consensus..

The CONSENSUS is the posters are all over the place with Prospects and we will never agree!!!

It is funny how some players have both a love fan base and a hate fans base..

Is there a SINGLE player everyone likes ???

Helllllll nah
Welcome to the internet!

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captain green · Post #764 » by **captain green** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:08 am

Nightmare scenario is drafting one these at 14 or 26
Kira Lewis – 6-3 – Alabama
Tyrell Terry – 6-1 – Stanford
Cole Anthony – 6-2 – UNC
Grant Riller – 6-3 – Charleston
Theo Maledon – 6-5 – France
Nico Mannion – 6-2 – Arizona
Abdoulaye N-Doye – 6-7 – France
Ashton Hagans – 6-3 – Kentucky
Devon Dotson – 6-2 – Kansas
Ty-Shon Alexander – 6-4 – Creighton
Malachi Flynn – 6-2 – San Diego St.
Payton Pritchard – 6-2 – Oregon
Cassius Winston – 6-1 – Michigan State
Tre Jones – 6-1 – Duke
Markus Howard – 5-11 – Marquette

themoneyteam2 · Post #765 » by **themoneyteam2** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:22 am

Why is it a nightmare to draft Kira Lewis at 14?

Post #766 » by **snowman** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:47 am

I have been pushing for Danny to get another wing to replace Hayward at some point and to give more bench scoring. I want Saddiq Bey at 14. However, if he is not available, then I think Jalen Smith as a stretch 4 off the bench, or a bigger small ball 5 instead of G. Williams, would be a great pick for us. If there was somehow to come out of this draft with those 2, I could care less who else we get.

playa-hater · Post #767 » by **playa-hater** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:06 am

players who have met with Boston FYI

Cassius Stanley, G, Duke

Immanuel Quickley, G, Kentucky

Grant Riller, G, College of Charleston

Paul Reed, F, DePaul

Jay Scrubb, G, John A. Logan College

Daniel Oturu, F, Minnesota

Killian Tillie, F, Gonzaga

Payton Pritchard, G, Oregon

Naji Marshall, F, Xavier

Xavier Tillman, F, Michigan State

Desmond Bane, G, TCU

Tyrell Terry, G, Stanford

captain green · Post #768 » by **captain green** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:11 am

themoneyteam2 wrote:Why is it a nightmare to draft Kira Lewis at 14?

Thin, no d, not a gifted passer not a 3% specialist, and reckless from what I seen

LarryBirdsFingr · Post #769 » by **LarryBirdsFingr** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:25 am

Need a big point guard who can shoot, and some bigs that can stay healthy and understand nba defense

themoneyteam2 · Post #770 » by **themoneyteam2** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:04 am

https://www.celticsblog.com/2020/10/20/21506905/2020-draft-profiles-lottery-guards-who-could-fit-the-boston-celtics-cole-anthony-kira-lewis-jr

Really good breakdown of Cole, Kira Lewis, Maxey, and Tyrell Terry

themoneyteam2 · Post #771 » by **themoneyteam2** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:19 am

I’d love RJ Hampton at 14. I think it’s important to have length and a different type of defender than Kemba as the backup point guard. Highest upside and his size is a huge bonus. I think with the Celtics scheme on defense he can be great on that end. Mike Miller has also completely transformed his shot

Celtics are in the position where they can afford to take Hampton and let him develop and backup point guard is for sure a position of need.

aporel18 · Post #772 » by **aporel18** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:38 am

captain green wrote:Nightmare scenario is drafting one these at 14 or 26

Theo Maledon – 6-5 – France

This kid has played against Euroleague competition and he held his own at 18 y.o.

He'll probably be the best PG in this draft class, and a rotation caliber player on a good team in 3 years.

I'd love to see him in Celtics green.

RickyDizzle · Post #773 » by **RickyDizzle** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:59 am

captain green wrote:Nightmare scenario is drafting one these at 14 or 26
Kira Lewis – 6-3 – Alabama
Tyrell Terry – 6-1 – Stanford
Cole Anthony – 6-2 – UNC
Grant Riller – 6-3 – Charleston
Theo Maledon – 6-5 – France
Nico Mannion – 6-2 – Arizona
Abdoulaye N-Doye – 6-7 – France
Ashton Hagans – 6-3 – Kentucky
Devon Dotson – 6-2 – Kansas
Ty-Shon Alexander – 6-4 – Creighton
Malachi Flynn – 6-2 – San Diego St.
Payton Pritchard – 6-2 – Oregon
Cassius Winston – 6-1 – Michigan State
Tre Jones – 6-1 – Duke
Markus Howard – 5-11 – Marquette

Im with you on all of them bit the first two. Id be fine with Lewis at 14 and thrilled with Lewis or Terry at 26.

Post #774 » by **Bleeding Green** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:16 am

aporel18 wrote:
captain green wrote:Nightmare scenario is drafting one these at 14 or 26

Theo Maledon – 6-5 – France

This kid has played against Euroleague competition and he held his own at 18 y.o.

He'll probably be the best PG in this draft class, and a rotation caliber player on a good team in 3 years.

I'd love to see him in Celtics green.

Maledon at 26/30 would be great, especially if he can be stashed for a year. A year of added strength training would be amazing. He looks like an easily great PnR guard. Good shooter, great change of pace ability, great length. He would kill with the jail play where Theis seals the paint and the guard gets his man on his back. Peep his highlights, he's maybe the shiftiest guard in this class in terms of slowing the play down and attacking at the exact right moment. He's been playing in europe for three years now, always a good FT shooter, shot looks clean, quick. He can take it off the dribble or off the catch.

Celtics absolutely need to either draft at least one euro-stash player, trade out of the draft for future picks, or trade up. Trading up in a terrible draft is the worst option to me unless you genuinely trust Ainge/Zarren to key in on a player and decide he is THE GUY. There are worse things than having a lanky PG waiting in Europe for a year. If no trades happen, I want one of Maledon, Bolmaro or N'Doye, whoever will agree to be stashed basically. Maledon first, then N'Doye, then Bolmaro if the other two won't agree to be stashed. Maledon/Bolmaro are candidates at 26/30 and N'Doye at 47. I'll leave it up to Zarren and Ainge on who can be acquired where, but if they trade up in this draft and don't **** kill it with who they pick, that's a huge misstep. I don't exactly think they're amazing talent evaluators, so why should they trade up? Just keep kicking the can down the road with the roster crunch. Draft a euro player who will agree to stay in Europe for a year or trade out of the draft with one or more of the picks.

LarryBirdsFingr · Post #775 » by **LarryBirdsFingr** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:21 am

themoneyteam2 wrote:I’d love RJ Hampton at 14. I think it’s important to have length and a different type of defender than Kemba as the backup point guard. Highest upside and his size is a huge bonus. I think with the Celtics scheme on defense he can be great on that end. Mike Miller has also completely transformed his shot

Celtics are in the position where they can afford to take Hampton and let him develop and backup point guard is for sure a position of need.

You'd be surprised how many minutes a big guard could get on this team who isn't a complete non-factor on offense

Post #776 » by **Spin Move** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:23 am

themoneyteam2 wrote:I’d love RJ Hampton at 14. I think it’s important to have length and a different type of defender than Kemba as the backup point guard. Highest upside and his size is a huge bonus. I think with the Celtics scheme on defense he can be great on that end. Mike Miller has also completely transformed his shot

Celtics are in the position where they can afford to take Hampton and let him develop and backup point guard is for sure a position of need.

Hampton is not really a point guard, he is not a special passer he is 6'3 barefoot, so he is not really tall even for a PG prospect. He is really a shooting gaurd with a really good handle who is a good passer for a wing but is not yet a good shooter, and t 6'3 that is not that valuable. Yes he is very athletic, and athletic guys that can't shoot have been drafted by Boston in the past, but I am more then good passing on this one.

Here are his stats from a not very good league last season
G MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
15 20.6 3.3 8.2 .407 0.9 2.9 .295 2.5 5.3 .468 1.3 1.9 .679 0.7 3.1 3.9 2.4 1.1 0.3 1.5 1.9 8.8
Here are the per 36
G MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
15 309 5.8 14.3 .407 1.5 5.1 .295 4.3 9.2 .468 2.2 3.3 .679 1.3 5.5 6.8 4.2 1.9 0.6 2.7 3.4 15.4

Again this was not an upper level euro league this was down in a crappy ausssie league. Had he played in the NCAA might have a better idea of his talent level, and hey nothing against the kid for making some cash but he did not light it up against bad competition, I am not considering him at all at 14, if he is there at 26 and Danny wants to take a flyer sure, but not at 14.

Cuban Pete · Post #777 » by **Cuban Pete** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:56 am

Word is Terrell Terry has grown to 6'3". IMO he won't get past the Heat.

winsomme2 · Post #778 » by **winsomme2** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:05 am

themoneyteam2 wrote:https://www.celticsblog.com/2020/10/20/21506905/2020-draft-profiles-lottery-guards-who-could-fit-the-boston-celtics-cole-anthony-kira-lewis-jr

Really good breakdown of Cole, Kira Lewis, Maxey, and Tyrell Terry

I don't agree with the Smart/Maxey comparison at all.

Maxey is an elite ball handler, has way more scoring potential, and can finish with either hand at the rim.

The only question about Maxey as a pro is his outside shot.

I'd def pick Terry and lewis ahead of him but I think they're both likely gone before 14.

joshuapending · Post #779 » by **joshuapending** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 9:57 am

Yeah also not that high on Hampton. Watched him a fair bit here in Oz and was just not blown away. I get he is young, was away from home etc but for how highly he was touted I assumed he would make more of an impact. He is pretty quick with a nice first step but he was also not playing against NBA athletes. I just don't know how much stock you can put into the flashes you see, but I guess that is a universal problem when drafting young kids.

Squigglepuffin · Post #780 » by **Squigglepuffin** » Wed Oct 21, 2020 11:03 am

playa-hater wrote:players who have met with Boston FYI

Cassius Stanley, G, Duke

Immanuel Quickley, G, Kentucky

Grant Riller, G, College of Charleston

Paul Reed, F, DePaul

Jay Scrubb, G, John A. Logan College

Daniel Oturu, F, Minnesota

Killian Tillie, F, Gonzaga

Payton Pritchard, G, Oregon

Naji Marshall, F, Xavier

Xavier Tillman, F, Michigan State

Desmond Bane, G, TCU

Tyrell Terry, G, Stanford

Interesting. Other than Terry they're all guys they might be able to grab at 30 or 47.

I wonder if they're not even bothering to interview higher ranked prospects because they are really serious about making some (relatively) major offer like Romeo, G. Williams, R. Williams, #14 & #26 to trade up for Okongwu.