Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

[Dogen]

Don't count JD out yet people! He's my binkie along with Walsh, POBO owes me!!!

I believe in JD "Avatar" Davison too. We may be rough on him this year, but it's tough love. Dude has crazy level of athleticism and skill, but remains to be seen what he does with it. I'm glad he got the 2 Way last year. He's young and needs some development.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Oh man, we like Walsh. Four years!

Brad said Jordan has good touch and the shot is improving but.. there's a clip up on Twitter of him practicing open 3's and it's ugly. Like, airballs two feet past the far side of the rim.

[snowman]

sorry if this has been posted already.

The Boston Celtics are bringing in forward Alize Johnson for a workout this week, HoopsHype has learned. The five-year NBA veteran is considered a high-motor player and rebounder. 4 hours ago – via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

[Hal14]

Walsh just turned 19 four months ago. Gotta sting a bit for JD that Jordan's already got a regular deal.

Walsh was drafted towards the top of the 2nd round. JD was almost undrafted. Different range of the draft reflects different view of them as prospects, to some degree.

Yes. Also, they play different positions. JD is a PG with White, Brogdon and Pritchard all in front of him. Ideally, you wait to start the clock on that dirt cheap rookie contract until the dude has a legit chance at getting some real minutes.

That's what we did with Hauser (g league year 1, then give him 4 year year rookie contract - he then got rotation minutes in year 2).

Unless we move Pritchard, there's probably no chance for JD to get rotation minutes this season. So probably best to keep him on a 2-way. Hell, even if Pritchard is moved, they may try signing a veteran guard to backfill that spot if they don't think JD is ready.

After all, Walsh has an NBA-ready skill - his defense. Hauser had an NBA-ready skill - his shooting (and the C's also waited until he was at least playable defensively before giving him that rookie deal). Pritchard had an NBA ready skill - his shooting. Plus, we weren't very deep in the back court back when Pritchard was a rookie - Kemba and Smart had injuries and Pritchard was better than Carsen Edwards and Tremont Waters (not saying much).

JD still has some work to do with his shooting, defense and decision making with the ball. I think you keep him on a 2-way, hope he cleans some of that stuff up this season in the g league. Gets more reps, more development, gets more used to the pro game, the speed, physicality of the game, more exposure to the stuff the Celtics run, etc. And then you get him on a standard rookie contract next season - by that time, Pritchard is likely a goner.

Walsh plays more of a premium position (wing) with more of a realistic path to getting minutes. He could end up being the 2nd wing off the bench, after Hauser. And depending on matchups and how the game is going, Mazzulla may even elect to go with Walsh (over Hauser) at times as the first wing off the bench - if he wants some defense/energy/hustle/intensity out there, rather than shooting..

[Celts17Pride]

Don't count JD out yet people! He's my binkie along with Walsh, POBO owes me!!!

I believe in JD "Avatar" Davison too. We may be rough on him this year, but it's tough love. Dude has crazy level of athleticism and skill, but remains to be seen what he does with it. I'm glad he got the 2 Way last year. He's young and needs some development.

Patience. Everything is timing. Brogdan and Pritchard are currently still on the roster. Once one or both of those players gets moved, JD Davison will get the same contract as Walsh.

[GoCeltics123]

I still hope we can find a Brogdon trade to spread out the money a little bit

Would make this roster make more sense

[London2Boston]

Funny enough. Herro would be perfect here. Obviously the money doesn’t work, but having a true reliable scorer to take pressure off the Jays would have been sweet.

[Dogen]

Don't count JD out yet people! He's my binkie along with Walsh, POBO owes me!!!

I believe in JD "Avatar" Davison too. We may be rough on him this year, but it's tough love. Dude has crazy level of athleticism and skill, but remains to be seen what he does with it. I'm glad he got the 2 Way last year. He's young and needs some development.

Patience. Everything is timing. Brogdan and Pritchard are currently still on the roster. Once one or both of those players gets moved, JD Davison will get the same contract as Walsh.

Walsh got 4 years. Nice!

JD can think, "that's what I want: a four year contract with the Boston Celtics and AT LEAST three rings!"

[keevsnick1]

Walsh just turned 19 four months ago. Gotta sting a bit for JD that Jordan's already got a regular deal.

Walsh was drafted towards the top of the 2nd round. JD was almost undrafted. Different range of the draft reflects different view of them as prospects, to some degree.

Yep, pretty simple. Guys in the 30's usually get guaranteed contracts, guys in the 50's usually get two-ways.

This leaves 1 roster and three two-way spots. Davidson could get that last roster spot if he shows out in summer league, Begarin and Yam I'd imagine are options for two-ways.

Griffin could be brought back, Kornet and Champagnie are non guaranteed so you could move on from them if there's an opportunity.

Could still use the TPE to fill that last roster spot as well.

[cloverleaf]

Walsh just turned 19 four months ago. Gotta sting a bit for JD that Jordan's already got a regular deal.

Walsh was drafted towards the top of the 2nd round. JD was almost undrafted. Different range of the draft reflects different view of them as prospects, to some degree.

To some degree, but 15 picks apart really isn't that much of a difference in the 2nd round. JD is a year and a half older, the only one with a year of experience as a pro, and, from the clips I've seen, in possession of the more solid shot at this point.

Yes, wings tend to transition to the league most readily, PGs are somewhere in the middle, and centers tend to take the longest to develop.

But still, it must sting a bit.

[ajones9219]

Funny enough. Herro would be perfect here. Obviously the money doesn’t work, but having a true reliable scorer to take pressure off the Jays would have been sweet.

Not saying we couldn't use another but KP is exactly that guy

[Hal14]

I still hope we can find a Brogdon trade to spread out the money a little bit

Would make this roster make more sense

Maybe. But keep in mind, the further you go down the roster, each roster spot gets less and less important.

It might be better to have a REALLY good 6th man, and be shaky with your roster spots 10-15, rather than improve roster spots 9-15 a little bit but now have a worse 6th man.

Roster spots 10-15 don't matter as much. Denver only played 8 guys in the playoffs. The year before that, GS had a tight 8 man rotation, with the occasional dose of Iguodala or Bjelica as 9th/10th guys.

Right now, we've got a rock solid top 8 guys. With Hauser as the 8th guy - was (by the data) a top 8 player for us last season and will likely be even better this upcoming season. Pritchard was the 8th man when we went to the finals and Kornet was a solid enough 3rd big last season (now we only need him to be 4th big). So that's a solid top 10.

Brissett looks like he should be a capable 11th man - you don't need much from your 11-15 guys anyways..

[KamikazeK]

Funny enough. Herro would be perfect here. Obviously the money doesn’t work, but having a true reliable scorer to take pressure off the Jays would have been sweet.

Not reliable when he's injured in the playoffs every year

[cloverleaf]

sorry if this has been posted already.

The Boston Celtics are bringing in forward Alize Johnson for a workout this week, HoopsHype has learned. The five-year NBA veteran is considered a high-motor player and rebounder. 4 hours ago – via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

That would appear to be part of Brad's plan to take enough 3pt shooters away from Joe to force him to diversify their offense!

[MaxwellSmart]

sorry if this has been posted already.

The Boston Celtics are bringing in forward Alize Johnson for a workout this week, HoopsHype has learned. The five-year NBA veteran is considered a high-motor player and rebounder. 4 hours ago – via Michael Scotto @ HoopsHype

That would appear to be part of Brad's plan to take enough 3pt shooters away from Joe to force him to diversify their offense!

Why not just Fire this Bum of a "Coach"?...I highly doubt he will be able to run this offense with KP.

[GoCeltics123]

I still hope we can find a Brogdon trade to spread out the money a little bit

Would make this roster make more sense

Maybe. But keep in mind, the further you go down the roster, each roster spot gets less and less important.

It might be better to have a REALLY good 6th man, and be shaky with your roster spots 10-15, rather than improve roster spots 9-15 a little bit but now have a worse 6th man.

Roster spots 10-15 don't matter as much. Denver only played 8 guys in the playoffs. The year before that, GS had a tight 8 man rotation, with the occasional dose of Iguodala or Bjelica as 9th/10th guys.

Right now, we've got a rock solid top 8 guys. With Hauser as the 8th guy - was (by the data) a top 8 player for us last season and will likely be even better this upcoming season. Pritchard was the 8th man when we went to the finals and Kornet was a solid enough 3rd big last season (now we only need him to be 4th big). So that's a solid top 10.

Brissett looks like he should be a capable 11th man - you don't need much from your 11-15 guys anyways..

My issue is what happens when guys are out, especially in the front court.

Three non-durable/old bigs and only Oshae and Kornet behind them is not great

[GoCeltics123]

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This is really funny

[Bohemian]

That Himmelsbach report has hit the forum hard, I see

[fallguy]

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Lotta money for two guards....

[The Corey's]

While Brad collects 2nd rounders, HOU just giving them away. For Dillon **** Brooks, of all players.

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It's because they have no value and no one in the league wants them.

They're almost completely useless.

The irony of them being completely useless while Houston is using the same 2nd rounders to help build their roster.

What roster? Like I said yesterday, how much value do second rounders have when it cost you 4 of them for a bum like jae crowder.

They're absolutely useless.