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What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling?

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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#781 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:26 pm

The Comedian wrote:Jaylen has made a huge jump as a player, himself. Clearly is going to be an all star this year, and probably a lot more over the years.

But the next, and most important step to his game is elevating guys around him, and becoming a real positive impact player. I’ve learned not to doubt him, but it’s a necessary step if he is going to be the player this franchise needs him to be.

To be fair the lineups that Brad Stevens used the other night we’re horrid. Stevens had Brown play with trash and then put Walker in and sat Brown. Walker then played with trash.

Hard to make anyone better.

Walker or Brown would be playing with 4 others Green, Ojeleye, G Williams and Thompson. Larry Bird would struggle to make them better
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#782 » by Feed Your Head » Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:21 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
The Comedian wrote:Jaylen has made a huge jump as a player, himself. Clearly is going to be an all star this year, and probably a lot more over the years.

But the next, and most important step to his game is elevating guys around him, and becoming a real positive impact player. I’ve learned not to doubt him, but it’s a necessary step if he is going to be the player this franchise needs him to be.

To be fair the lineups that Brad Stevens used the other night we’re horrid. Stevens had Brown play with trash and then put Walker in and sat Brown. Walker then played with trash.

Hard to make anyone better.

Walker or Brown would be playing with 4 others Green, Ojeleye, G Williams and Thompson. Larry Bird would struggle to make them better


This is partially true, and this has nothing to do with Jaylen versus Tatum, but the Tatum/Bench lineups have destroyed the league last year and so far this season. JT has consistently shown that he elevates everyone around him, whether starters or bench players. A large part of that is defenses double/trap Tatum on basically every possession, and his team defense being so good. Last year the main Tatum bench lineups had a +19 net rating, this year its +26, obviously small sample as opposed to last year.

A lot of guys can put up great raw numbers, but the truly elite players make everyone around them better, and are bigtime positive impact players. That’s the next step for Jaylen, sooner or later I expect defenses to start to double and crowd him when Tatum sits, and it will get other guys tons of open looks. And as he has shown this year, if he sees the open guy he will hit them. My only real concern with Jaylen longterm is how much will he improve as a team defender. He’s fantastic on ball, and even better defending the post, but he has to get much better within the defensive scheme. This isn’t all on Jaylen of course, more goes into it. Who he plays with, the lack of high end bench depth, but as of this point in his career, he just hasn’t been a legitimate difference maker.

I hope nobody takes this as anti Jaylen, because it’s far from the case. He’s shown he can be an all star level player. I’m just saying what needs to happen next for him to become an elite player. We all had somewhat similar conversations about Tatum going into last season, about what he needed to do to improve his game. It’s not knocking guys, they are just graded on a much higher curve than role players.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#783 » by themoneyteam2 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:55 am

Well 42 pts on 16-28 FG and 5-8 3PT is good but you have to remember that apparently the Sixers didn’t even try to defend him tonight and left him open the whole game.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#784 » by GoGreen » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:01 am

It has been a very rough stretch and I've been quite upset at times, but man... watching Jaylen Brown become a budding star before our eyes is something special.

He looks nothing like he did coming out of college. A true testament to his work ethic. My favorite Celtic for a while now. And seems like a great guy off the court, too
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#785 » by BostonCouchGM » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:07 am

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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#786 » by Floody100 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:55 am

People have been saying his points per game will drop now that Walker’s back but I’m starting to convince myself it won’t. With the return of Kemba & Tatum getting most of the offensive attention it’s going to come so much easier for JB. Honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he averaged more points than Tatum this year.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#787 » by Floody100 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:10 am

2018/19 - 13PPG/46.5%FG/1.4AST
2019/20 - 20.3PPG/48.1%FG/2.1AST
2020/21 - 26.9PPG/52.4%FG/3.7AST


2024/25 - 50PPG/60%FG/15AST

book it.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#788 » by TommyPointGawd » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:27 pm

Floody100 wrote:2018/19 - 13PPG/46.5%FG/1.4AST
2019/20 - 20.3PPG/48.1%FG/2.1AST
2020/21 - 26.9PPG/52.4%FG/3.7AST


2024/25 - 50PPG/60%FG/15AST

book it.


That's nice. But what are his impact stats looking like???
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#789 » by Floody100 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:32 pm

TommyPointGawd wrote:
Floody100 wrote:2018/19 - 13PPG/46.5%FG/1.4AST
2019/20 - 20.3PPG/48.1%FG/2.1AST
2020/21 - 26.9PPG/52.4%FG/3.7AST


2024/25 - 50PPG/60%FG/15AST

book it.


That's nice. But what are his impact stats looking like???


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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#790 » by Feed Your Head » Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:54 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:rent free


TommyPointGawd wrote:That's nice. But what are his impact stats looking like???


themoneyteam2 wrote:Well 42 pts on 16-28 FG and 5-8 3PT is good but you have to remember that apparently the Sixers didn’t even try to defend him tonight and left him open the whole game.


Posts like these bring nothing to the table, are gamethread type of posts.

Rent free is beyond tired at this point.

Impact stats are a tool to show who is leaving their footprint on the game. Also, Jaylen is pretty high in the basketball reference advanced stats (between 12-23). The others haven’t dropped yet due to small sample size.

Didn’t try to defend him and left him wide open is a silly hyperbole.

Everyone can disagree, but bring some substance to the discussion.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#791 » by AgentGreen » Sat Jan 23, 2021 3:43 pm

Floody100 wrote:2018/19 - 13PPG/46.5%FG/1.4AST
2019/20 - 20.3PPG/48.1%FG/2.1AST
2020/21 - 26.9PPG/52.4%FG/3.7AST


2024/25 - 50PPG/60%FG/15AST

book it.


Jaylen will be the next MJ if he continues with this growing curve. :D That midranger is money.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#792 » by themoneyteam2 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:27 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:rent free


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Actually rent free would be saying that although he had 42 last night, “teams don't even bother defending Jaylen. He's left wide open every game. They were leaving him open and didn’t even try to guard him”

If that is your take after he goes 16-28 for 42 pts, we must be watching a different sport. Or you’re just looking for attention. Your gig is getting old on here bud
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#793 » by jmr07019 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:58 pm

His ceiling is second best player on multiple title teams here in Boston and a HOF selection. A lot of things need to go right for that to happen... I know... but that's what ceiling is. What wings are clearly ahead of Jaylen right now? Durant, LeBron, Kawhi, Harden, Tatum, Doncic. After that? No one is clearly better.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#795 » by Feed Your Head » Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:31 pm

bisme37 wrote:
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He uses his athleticism beautifully when he dribbles in for those short midrange jumpers. Outside of a few times a game, there is almost zero wasted movement to his offensive game anymore.
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Post#796 » by GreenBloodedC » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:37 pm

Bruh, I was not even confident in Jaylen's shot when he entered the league. Now he can't miss. LOL.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#797 » by 24istheLAW » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:02 pm

Something I have posted about a bunch on here, is that what makes Jaylen difficult to assess (and intriguing!), is that the steps he has taken year-to-year have been unusually linear. And that it makes him a big wildcard - you never know when the trajectory is going to level off.

Well, it's a small sample obviously. But SO FAR, his FT% is .765, which is a considerable step up. So even if the career-high 3P% regresses, there appears to be some core shooting improvement. He's gone from flirting with more turnovers than assists in the past, to 3.7 AST and 2.9 TOV, which is a marked improvement. He's got his TS% from .583 to .618 despite a jump in USG% from 24.7 to 31.0. His FG% from 0-3 feet is up from .659 the year before to .703 last year to .778 so far, which would seem to me statistical evidence of him getting craftier and getting himself stuffed less. His PPG has jumped, WITH a jump in efficiency. This all in spite of a short offseason, which appears to have stifled a lot of development around the league.

So far it looks like he's still on that linear trajectory, and at least another season away from cresting around where his final form will be.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#798 » by captain green » Sat Jan 23, 2021 7:35 pm

I like his leadership more and more he took the blame for the loss last night, it wasn't his fault he played great d yet another reason why he is my favorite player. His post game remarks are border line genius takes. All about the team dude is a fantastic person and player.
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#799 » by Taget » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:27 pm

Floody100 wrote:2018/19 - 13PPG/46.5%FG/1.4AST
2019/20 - 20.3PPG/48.1%FG/2.1AST
2020/21 - 26.9PPG/52.4%FG/3.7AST


2024/25 - 50PPG/60%FG/15AST

book it.


Jayson always finds a way to leapfrog Jaylen after the all-star break. Can't wait for the 2024-2025 season when we have two 50ppg players on the floor at the same time!
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Re: What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling? 

Post#800 » by nic4747 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:44 pm

What amazes me about Jaylen is how he impacts the game so much on both ends. That's really hard to do and takes a lot of energy. Right now he's our best player, with defensive abilities on par with Marcus Smart and offensive ability that (for the moment) exceeds Tatums.

I also like how he's improved multiple aspects of his offensive game, from his dribble penetration to his 3 point shot to his mid-range game. He needs to work on his passing a little more but he's a serious offensive threat out there and guarding him must be very difficult.

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