2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[100proof]

Nightmare scenario is drafting one these at 14 or 26

Theo Maledon – 6-5 – France

This kid has played against Euroleague competition and he held his own at 18 y.o.

He'll probably be the best PG in this draft class, and a rotation caliber player on a good team in 3 years.

I'd love to see him in Celtics green.

Maledon at 26/30 would be great, especially if he can be stashed for a year. A year of added strength training would be amazing. He looks like an easily great PnR guard. Good shooter, great change of pace ability, great length. He would kill with the jail play where Theis seals the paint and the guard gets his man on his back. Peep his highlights, he's maybe the shiftiest guard in this class in terms of slowing the play down and attacking at the exact right moment. He's been playing in europe for three years now, always a good FT shooter, shot looks clean, quick. He can take it off the dribble or off the catch.

Celtics absolutely need to either draft at least one euro-stash player, trade out of the draft for future picks, or trade up. Trading up in a terrible draft is the worst option to me unless you genuinely trust Ainge/Zarren to key in on a player and decide he is THE GUY. There are worse things than having a lanky PG waiting in Europe for a year. If no trades happen, I want one of Maledon, Bolmaro or N'Doye, whoever will agree to be stashed basically. Maledon first, then N'Doye, then Bolmaro if the other two won't agree to be stashed. Maledon/Bolmaro are candidates at 26/30 and N'Doye at 47. I'll leave it up to Zarren and Ainge on who can be acquired where, but if they trade up in this draft and don't **** kill it with who they pick, that's a huge misstep. I don't exactly think they're amazing talent evaluators, so why should they trade up? Just keep kicking the can down the road with the roster crunch. Draft a euro player who will agree to stay in Europe for a year or trade out of the draft with one or more of the picks.

I have been a fan of Theos for some time in these threads.

He is a late pick, but he has the best court vision of any point guard in the draft.

Watch on YouTube

excellent body control for someone so young as well.

I do not think I would stash him at all though, would want him over here ASAP, get a year in with NBA coaches and trainers and the team. He will improve quickly, imo

Alot of sites project him as early to mid second round. I like him at 30 depending on how things play out in the draft.

I expect a PG at 14 but it is entirely possible that the top of the draft gets completely bonkers this year and OO or Okoro is there at 14 making that all change.

[31to6]

Call me crazy but Maledon’s highlights look exactly like Markelle Fultz’s did. And better than Halliburton’s. Good thing I’m a draft expert!

Random plug, too, for Paul Reed here.
S.Bey
Maledon
Oturu
Reed (traded up for higher 2nd?)
Make it happen Danny!

[Cuban Pete]

I'd take Nesmith over S Bey.

[JHTruth]

I’d love RJ Hampton at 14. I think it’s important to have length and a different type of defender than Kemba as the backup point guard. Highest upside and his size is a huge bonus. I think with the Celtics scheme on defense he can be great on that end. Mike Miller has also completely transformed his shot

Celtics are in the position where they can afford to take Hampton and let him develop and backup point guard is for sure a position of need.

Hampton is not really a point guard, he is not a special passer he is 6'3 barefoot, so he is not really tall even for a PG prospect. He is really a shooting gaurd with a really good handle who is a good passer for a wing but is not yet a good shooter, and t 6'3 that is not that valuable. Yes he is very athletic, and athletic guys that can't shoot have been drafted by Boston in the past, but I am more then good passing on this one.

Here are his stats from a not very good league last season
G MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
15 20.6 3.3 8.2 .407 0.9 2.9 .295 2.5 5.3 .468 1.3 1.9 .679 0.7 3.1 3.9 2.4 1.1 0.3 1.5 1.9 8.8
Here are the per 36
G MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
15 309 5.8 14.3 .407 1.5 5.1 .295 4.3 9.2 .468 2.2 3.3 .679 1.3 5.5 6.8 4.2 1.9 0.6 2.7 3.4 15.4

Again this was not an upper level euro league this was down in a crappy ausssie league. Had he played in the NCAA might have a better idea of his talent level, and hey nothing against the kid for making some cash but he did not light it up against bad competition, I am not considering him at all at 14, if he is there at 26 and Danny wants to take a flyer sure, but not at 14.

Not a Hampton fan at all. Terry Rozier 2.0 is his ceiling IMHO..

[JHTruth]

Call me crazy but Maledon’s highlights look exactly like Markelle Fultz’s did. And better than Halliburton’s. Good thing I’m a draft expert!

Random plug, too, for Paul Reed here.
S.Bey
Maledon
Oturu
Reed (traded up for higher 2nd?)
Make it happen Danny!

Maledon blows. Only a 1.67 assist to TO ratio for someone who allegedly has "great vision". TS% only .545. Hit 33% of his threes. 77% on FTs. He ceiling is an average NBA shooter. Stay far far away Danny.

[Darth Celtic]

Knicks high on Killian Hayes, take him off the draft board, people they are high on tend to disappoint

[Bleeding Green]

This kid has played against Euroleague competition and he held his own at 18 y.o.

He'll probably be the best PG in this draft class, and a rotation caliber player on a good team in 3 years.

I'd love to see him in Celtics green.

Maledon at 26/30 would be great, especially if he can be stashed for a year. A year of added strength training would be amazing. He looks like an easily great PnR guard. Good shooter, great change of pace ability, great length. He would kill with the jail play where Theis seals the paint and the guard gets his man on his back. Peep his highlights, he's maybe the shiftiest guard in this class in terms of slowing the play down and attacking at the exact right moment. He's been playing in europe for three years now, always a good FT shooter, shot looks clean, quick. He can take it off the dribble or off the catch.

Celtics absolutely need to either draft at least one euro-stash player, trade out of the draft for future picks, or trade up. Trading up in a terrible draft is the worst option to me unless you genuinely trust Ainge/Zarren to key in on a player and decide he is THE GUY. There are worse things than having a lanky PG waiting in Europe for a year. If no trades happen, I want one of Maledon, Bolmaro or N'Doye, whoever will agree to be stashed basically. Maledon first, then N'Doye, then Bolmaro if the other two won't agree to be stashed. Maledon/Bolmaro are candidates at 26/30 and N'Doye at 47. I'll leave it up to Zarren and Ainge on who can be acquired where, but if they trade up in this draft and don't **** kill it with who they pick, that's a huge misstep. I don't exactly think they're amazing talent evaluators, so why should they trade up? Just keep kicking the can down the road with the roster crunch. Draft a euro player who will agree to stay in Europe for a year or trade out of the draft with one or more of the picks.

I have been a fan of Theos for some time in these threads.

He is a late pick, but he has the best court vision of any point guard in the draft.

Watch on YouTube

excellent body control for someone so young as well.

I do not think I would stash him at all though, would want him over here ASAP, get a year in with NBA coaches and trainers and the team. He will improve quickly, imo

Alot of sites project him as early to mid second round. I like him at 30 depending on how things play out in the draft.

I expect a PG at 14 but it is entirely possible that the top of the draft gets completely bonkers this year and OO or Okoro is there at 14 making that all change.

I would 100 pct stash him to delay his contract starting, but whether he would be down for that is not something I know anything about. I'd rather have him stay in europe and then sign an NBA deal to get his age 21-24 seasons instead of him immediately coming to Boston and you only get his age 20-23 seasons. It's not like he's likely going to play his rookie season anyway. No way he goes mid-second. I see him in the 20s on many mocks.

[BostonCouchGM]

"Not a Hampton fan at all. Terry Rozier 2.0 is his ceiling IMHO"

monthly reminder that Terry Rozier, as a 23 y/o, led us (20 y/o Jaylen and 19 y/o Tatum ) to Game 7 of the ECF. As a starter that season he put up 16-6-5 and shot 39% from three. Small sample you say? He then goes to CHA, everyone laughs at them for paying him $18 million, and puts up 18-4-4 and shot 41% from three with good defense. It's time Celtics fans who gave him crap eat crow about him. In 17 years as G.M. he's one of just a few, mid to late 1st draft picks that has panned out for Danny. His loss has been felt these past two years. So if we're taking "Terry Rozier 2.0" at #26, #30 or #47, we've hit the jackpot folks.

[aporel18]

Maledon at 26/30 would be great, especially if he can be stashed for a year. A year of added strength training would be amazing. He looks like an easily great PnR guard. Good shooter, great change of pace ability, great length. He would kill with the jail play where Theis seals the paint and the guard gets his man on his back. Peep his highlights, he's maybe the shiftiest guard in this class in terms of slowing the play down and attacking at the exact right moment. He's been playing in europe for three years now, always a good FT shooter, shot looks clean, quick. He can take it off the dribble or off the catch.

Celtics absolutely need to either draft at least one euro-stash player, trade out of the draft for future picks, or trade up. Trading up in a terrible draft is the worst option to me unless you genuinely trust Ainge/Zarren to key in on a player and decide he is THE GUY. There are worse things than having a lanky PG waiting in Europe for a year. If no trades happen, I want one of Maledon, Bolmaro or N'Doye, whoever will agree to be stashed basically. Maledon first, then N'Doye, then Bolmaro if the other two won't agree to be stashed. Maledon/Bolmaro are candidates at 26/30 and N'Doye at 47. I'll leave it up to Zarren and Ainge on who can be acquired where, but if they trade up in this draft and don't **** kill it with who they pick, that's a huge misstep. I don't exactly think they're amazing talent evaluators, so why should they trade up? Just keep kicking the can down the road with the roster crunch. Draft a euro player who will agree to stay in Europe for a year or trade out of the draft with one or more of the picks.

I have been a fan of Theos for some time in these threads.

He is a late pick, but he has the best court vision of any point guard in the draft.

Watch on YouTube

excellent body control for someone so young as well.

I do not think I would stash him at all though, would want him over here ASAP, get a year in with NBA coaches and trainers and the team. He will improve quickly, imo

Alot of sites project him as early to mid second round. I like him at 30 depending on how things play out in the draft.

I expect a PG at 14 but it is entirely possible that the top of the draft gets completely bonkers this year and OO or Okoro is there at 14 making that all change.

I would 100 pct stash him to delay his contract starting, but whether he would be down for that is not something I know anything about. I'd rather have him stay in europe and then sign an NBA deal to get his age 21-24 seasons instead of him immediately coming to Boston and you only get his age 20-23 seasons. It's not like he's likely going to play his rookie season anyway. No way he goes mid-second. I see him in the 20s on many mocks.

He probably isn't going back to Europe, he's already played in Euroleague and he needs NBA experience to grow to his potential. I don't think he's there at #26, but I wouldn't mind if Danny uses #14 t get him.

If the Celtics drafted him, he could be Kemba's replacement in year 3. He was injured last season, so his numbers are worse than projected. Two-way player with potential solid starter/star tools, who has already been tested against pros.

[100proof]

I have been a fan of Theos for some time in these threads.

He is a late pick, but he has the best court vision of any point guard in the draft.

Watch on YouTube

excellent body control for someone so young as well.

I do not think I would stash him at all though, would want him over here ASAP, get a year in with NBA coaches and trainers and the team. He will improve quickly, imo

Alot of sites project him as early to mid second round. I like him at 30 depending on how things play out in the draft.

I expect a PG at 14 but it is entirely possible that the top of the draft gets completely bonkers this year and OO or Okoro is there at 14 making that all change.

I would 100 pct stash him to delay his contract starting, but whether he would be down for that is not something I know anything about. I'd rather have him stay in europe and then sign an NBA deal to get his age 21-24 seasons instead of him immediately coming to Boston and you only get his age 20-23 seasons. It's not like he's likely going to play his rookie season anyway. No way he goes mid-second. I see him in the 20s on many mocks.

He probably isn't going back to Europe, he's already played in Euroleague and he needs NBA experience to grow to his potential. I don't think he's there at #26, but I wouldn't mind if Danny uses #14 t get him.

If the Celtics drafted him, he could be Kemba's replacement in year 3. He was injured last season, so his numbers are worse than projected. Two-way player with potential solid starter/star tools, who has already been tested against pros.

One of the reasons I like finding a way to get a pick like Dallas'

That 18th would net Theo pretty easily

[celticfan42487]

I’d love RJ Hampton at 14. I think it’s important to have length and a different type of defender than Kemba as the backup point guard. Highest upside and his size is a huge bonus. I think with the Celtics scheme on defense he can be great on that end. Mike Miller has also completely transformed his shot

Celtics are in the position where they can afford to take Hampton and let him develop and backup point guard is for sure a position of need.

Hampton is not really a point guard, he is not a special passer he is 6'3 barefoot, so he is not really tall even for a PG prospect. He is really a shooting gaurd with a really good handle who is a good passer for a wing but is not yet a good shooter, and t 6'3 that is not that valuable. Yes he is very athletic, and athletic guys that can't shoot have been drafted by Boston in the past, but I am more then good passing on this one.

Here are his stats from a not very good league last season
G MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
15 20.6 3.3 8.2 .407 0.9 2.9 .295 2.5 5.3 .468 1.3 1.9 .679 0.7 3.1 3.9 2.4 1.1 0.3 1.5 1.9 8.8
Here are the per 36
G MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
15 309 5.8 14.3 .407 1.5 5.1 .295 4.3 9.2 .468 2.2 3.3 .679 1.3 5.5 6.8 4.2 1.9 0.6 2.7 3.4 15.4

Again this was not an upper level euro league this was down in a crappy ausssie league. Had he played in the NCAA might have a better idea of his talent level, and hey nothing against the kid for making some cash but he did not light it up against bad competition, I am not considering him at all at 14, if he is there at 26 and Danny wants to take a flyer sure, but not at 14.

Not a Hampton fan at all. Terry Rozier 2.0 is his ceiling IMHO..

I hear what you're saying, but to be fair a 6'7" Terry Rozier would actually be a stud in the league. Like if not all-star one of those lesser ones just below. Rozier's biggest issue only shows up in the playoffs due to his sub optimal heigh and sub 200lb weight. But you used "ceiling" there so no reason to really project someone's ceiling. That's hard to reach.

I think RJ Hampton could end up being a lot like a Boston version of Evan Turner. With a worse mid range shot but much better passing skills and higher end speed. You can probably get some second unit offense based solely off him running downhill grabbing a handoff much like we did for IT. Never let him ISO, always have him already running when he gets the ball to put the heat on the defense.

[celticfan42487]

In a lot of ways, only having Smart as a talent on the bench (and with Hayward needing to be gone it most likely means Smart will be a starter soon)...

Having nothing on the bench means every single prospect makes sense for our team lol.

Aside from another Smart or Langford clone. Please not another SG that can't shoot. Yes we won the lottery twice doing that with Smart and Brown but that's enough, they need players to compliment them.


Guys.... I want like 10 of these guys on our roster haha. There's nothing on the bench that impresses me that I wouldn't love to have new compeition coming in.

None of them deserve a role yet, and only Wannamaker (whom I doubt is back) and Timelord have made a claim to have a leg up against a rookie. Kanter will opt in probably, unfortunatetly and he's better than any C we have or will get but he's old and I don't want to not have these bench minutes go to developmental time to develop something that can help us during Tatum and Brown's primes.

[celticfan42487]

I would 100 pct stash him to delay his contract starting, but whether he would be down for that is not something I know anything about. I'd rather have him stay in europe and then sign an NBA deal to get his age 21-24 seasons instead of him immediately coming to Boston and you only get his age 20-23 seasons. It's not like he's likely going to play his rookie season anyway. No way he goes mid-second. I see him in the 20s on many mocks.

He probably isn't going back to Europe, he's already played in Euroleague and he needs NBA experience to grow to his potential. I don't think he's there at #26, but I wouldn't mind if Danny uses #14 t get him.

If the Celtics drafted him, he could be Kemba's replacement in year 3. He was injured last season, so his numbers are worse than projected. Two-way player with potential solid starter/star tools, who has already been tested against pros.

One of the reasons I like finding a way to get a pick like Dallas'

That 18th would net Theo pretty easily

This is just throwing words out there, but for some reason I could see him having a career being a late in his career Kenny Anderson type PG. Not the all-star blowing past people scoring dynamo version. But the end of career version which is still a perfectly sound starting PG that can control an offense and brings more to the court than people realize because a PG that can run the offense perfectly just helps out everyone. Almost as much as having at least 4/5 3 point shooting threats on the court opens up space.

[Spin Move]

Hampton is not really a point guard, he is not a special passer he is 6'3 barefoot, so he is not really tall even for a PG prospect. He is really a shooting gaurd with a really good handle who is a good passer for a wing but is not yet a good shooter, and t 6'3 that is not that valuable. Yes he is very athletic, and athletic guys that can't shoot have been drafted by Boston in the past, but I am more then good passing on this one.

Here are his stats from a not very good league last season
G MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
15 20.6 3.3 8.2 .407 0.9 2.9 .295 2.5 5.3 .468 1.3 1.9 .679 0.7 3.1 3.9 2.4 1.1 0.3 1.5 1.9 8.8
Here are the per 36
G MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% 2P 2PA 2P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
15 309 5.8 14.3 .407 1.5 5.1 .295 4.3 9.2 .468 2.2 3.3 .679 1.3 5.5 6.8 4.2 1.9 0.6 2.7 3.4 15.4

Again this was not an upper level euro league this was down in a crappy ausssie league. Had he played in the NCAA might have a better idea of his talent level, and hey nothing against the kid for making some cash but he did not light it up against bad competition, I am not considering him at all at 14, if he is there at 26 and Danny wants to take a flyer sure, but not at 14.

Not a Hampton fan at all. Terry Rozier 2.0 is his ceiling IMHO..

I hear what you're saying, but to be fair a 6'7" Terry Rozier would actually be a stud in the league. Like if not all-star one of those lesser ones just below. Rozier's biggest issue only shows up in the playoffs due to his sub optimal heigh and sub 200lb weight. But you used "ceiling" there so no reason to really project someone's ceiling. That's hard to reach.

I think RJ Hampton could end up being a lot like a Boston version of Evan Turner. With a worse mid range shot but much better passing skills and higher end speed. You can probably get some second unit offense based solely off him running downhill grabbing a handoff much like we did for IT. Never let him ISO, always have him already running when he gets the ball to put the heat on the defense.

RJ is not 6'7 he is 6'3 barefoot. 6'4 in shoes.

[playa-hater]

I am officially against drafting any player just to stash him.. Unless 2nd RD maybe..

[themoneyteam2]

Not a Hampton fan at all. Terry Rozier 2.0 is his ceiling IMHO..

I hear what you're saying, but to be fair a 6'7" Terry Rozier would actually be a stud in the league. Like if not all-star one of those lesser ones just below. Rozier's biggest issue only shows up in the playoffs due to his sub optimal heigh and sub 200lb weight. But you used "ceiling" there so no reason to really project someone's ceiling. That's hard to reach.

I think RJ Hampton could end up being a lot like a Boston version of Evan Turner. With a worse mid range shot but much better passing skills and higher end speed. You can probably get some second unit offense based solely off him running downhill grabbing a handoff much like we did for IT. Never let him ISO, always have him already running when he gets the ball to put the heat on the defense.

RJ is not 6'7 he is 6'3 barefoot. 6'4 in shoes.

He's 6'5" with a 6'7" wingspan...

[Bleeding Green]

Imagine arguing about the height of a teenager who probably isn't done growing and hasn't been measured in any official capacity.

[celticfan42487]

My bad, on google I read it quickly and didn't realize they meant wingspan instead of height. That puts him in line with Terry Rozier size instead of Evan Turner size. A very material difference.

[themoneyteam2]

Watch on YouTube

Yes please at 14. High character, hard worker, great defender, and a shot maker. Didn't shoot the ball that well at UK but is FT% hovered around 85% and in HS was around 35% 3PT. 6'3" with a 6'6" wingspan. Would fit perfectly here in Boston.

[themoneyteam2]

Imagine arguing about the height of a teenager who probably isn't done growing and hasn't been measured in any official capacity.

It's not really arguing lol I just corrected him that on the draft guides I've seen (The Ringer specifically) he's listed as taller than what the poster is saying. Not a big deal at all...