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2022 NBA Draft Thread – (June 23rd, 8PM, ESPN)

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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread – (June 23rd, 8PM, ESPN) 

Post#781 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:32 pm

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TatumMVP wrote:He look like Wiggins, im down, lets move to no.15 Charlotte pick and draft him.

Charlotte would give up the 15th pick to move salary I believe. Plumlee? Oubre? PJ Washington?

Theis, Nesmith, Pritchard and 53 for Terry R, Plumlee and 15.

I’m sure he’d be happy playing 17 mins/game off the bench :lol:

Celtics would probably have to include the 2023 first round pick but that's fine since it will probably be #30 next year :wink:
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread – (June 23rd, 8PM, ESPN) 

Post#782 » by Hal14 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:41 pm

hmm, maybe the celtics are only trying to move up in the draft so they can flip that pick for John Collins?

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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread – (June 23rd, 8PM, ESPN) 

Post#783 » by TatumMVP » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:47 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
165bows wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Charlotte would give up the 15th pick to move salary I believe. Plumlee? Oubre? PJ Washington?

Theis, Nesmith, Pritchard and 53 for Terry R, Plumlee and 15.

I’m sure he’d be happy playing 17 mins/game off the bench :lol:

Celtics would probably have to include the 2023 first round pick but that's fine since it will probably be #30 next year :wink:

That is a win trade for us.
Terry and Eason, im in.
Than trade White, Plumlee and first for Turner

Smart/Rozier
Brown/MLE
Tatum/Eason
Turner/Grant
Rob/Al

Crazy Defence and some improve on offence .
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread – (June 23rd, 8PM, ESPN) 

Post#784 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:49 pm

Rumor season is fun! Not as fun as winning Banner18 but close.
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Post#785 » by Hal14 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 7:55 pm

Solid article on stash options if we stay at 53:
https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/6/22/23176712/draft-targets-the-international-draft-and-stash-pool

I would also add Yoan Makoundou to the list, but I think the author of the article doesn't know much about him..
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Post#786 » by BleedGreen1989 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:06 pm

These Charlotte trades are awful. They're not trading a lottery pick to dump Oubre (who's only partially guaranteed) or a very useful player like PJ or Rozier.
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Post#787 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:17 pm

BleedGreen1989 wrote:These Charlotte trades are awful. They're not trading a lottery pick to dump Oubre (who's only partially guaranteed) or a very useful player like PJ or Rozier.



pick 15 isnt lotto.
And they have pick 13 still.


They are not adding 2 new players to their roster at 13 and 15 this offseason either.


And dropping OUbre STILL costs them 5 million dollars and saves only 7 million. That makes no sense,.



Obviously, they would rather trade Hayward. But at some point OKC is going to stop accepting those types of trades, and that is the ONLY team I can see that would be even slightly interested at this point. Every other deal doesnt save them money. They want to DROP SALARY.

The best they could hope for is saving what is legal by the CBA rules.
On a hayward trade they need to take back a minimum of 24 million, so that is only like 7 million in savings.


Traing Oubre into a TPE saves them 12.5 million plus the salary of the pick.
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Post#788 » by BleedGreen1989 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:20 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
BleedGreen1989 wrote:These Charlotte trades are awful. They're not trading a lottery pick to dump Oubre (who's only partially guaranteed) or a very useful player like PJ or Rozier.



pick 15 isnt lotto.
And they have pick 13 still.


They are not adding 2 new players to their roster at 13 and 15 this offseason either.


And dropping OUbre STILL costs them 5 million dollars and saves only 7 million. That makes no sense,.



Obviously, they would rather trade Hayward. But at some point OKC is going to stop accepting those types of trades, and that is the ONLY team I can see that would be even slightly interested at this point. Every other deal doesnt save them money. They want to DROP SALARY.

The best they could hope for is saving what is legal by the CBA rules.
On a hayward trade they need to take back a minimum of 24 million, so that is only like 7 million in savings.


Traing Oubre into a TPE saves them 12.5 million plus the salary of the pick.


You can try and justify it all you want, its an awful trade with no realistic logic.
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Post#789 » by TSmith0197 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:24 pm

BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
BleedGreen1989 wrote:These Charlotte trades are awful. They're not trading a lottery pick to dump Oubre (who's only partially guaranteed) or a very useful player like PJ or Rozier.



pick 15 isnt lotto.
And they have pick 13 still.


They are not adding 2 new players to their roster at 13 and 15 this offseason either.


And dropping OUbre STILL costs them 5 million dollars and saves only 7 million. That makes no sense,.



Obviously, they would rather trade Hayward. But at some point OKC is going to stop accepting those types of trades, and that is the ONLY team I can see that would be even slightly interested at this point. Every other deal doesnt save them money. They want to DROP SALARY.

The best they could hope for is saving what is legal by the CBA rules.
On a hayward trade they need to take back a minimum of 24 million, so that is only like 7 million in savings.


Traing Oubre into a TPE saves them 12.5 million plus the salary of the pick.


You can try and justify it all you want, its an awful trade with no realistic logic.

Wow, did you not read that Charlotte needs the cap space so they can give Bridges the max like he wants without going into the tax? That’s why they’re dangling those picks to get rid of their bad contracts.
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Post#790 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:24 pm

BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
BleedGreen1989 wrote:These Charlotte trades are awful. They're not trading a lottery pick to dump Oubre (who's only partially guaranteed) or a very useful player like PJ or Rozier.



pick 15 isnt lotto.
And they have pick 13 still.


They are not adding 2 new players to their roster at 13 and 15 this offseason either.


And dropping OUbre STILL costs them 5 million dollars and saves only 7 million. That makes no sense,.



Obviously, they would rather trade Hayward. But at some point OKC is going to stop accepting those types of trades, and that is the ONLY team I can see that would be even slightly interested at this point. Every other deal doesnt save them money. They want to DROP SALARY.

The best they could hope for is saving what is legal by the CBA rules.
On a hayward trade they need to take back a minimum of 24 million, so that is only like 7 million in savings.


Traing Oubre into a TPE saves them 12.5 million plus the salary of the pick.


You can try and justify it all you want, its an awful trade with no realistic logic.



Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but it would be much more pleasurable to debate it with you without the air of condescension and arrogance that you type with.

At least I am trying to support my idea/thought, it may be 100% off base, IDK, but I try hard not to just dismiss something I don't agree with without attempting to debate my reasonings.
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Post#791 » by BleedGreen1989 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:37 pm

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BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:

pick 15 isnt lotto.
And they have pick 13 still.


They are not adding 2 new players to their roster at 13 and 15 this offseason either.


And dropping OUbre STILL costs them 5 million dollars and saves only 7 million. That makes no sense,.



Obviously, they would rather trade Hayward. But at some point OKC is going to stop accepting those types of trades, and that is the ONLY team I can see that would be even slightly interested at this point. Every other deal doesnt save them money. They want to DROP SALARY.

The best they could hope for is saving what is legal by the CBA rules.
On a hayward trade they need to take back a minimum of 24 million, so that is only like 7 million in savings.


Traing Oubre into a TPE saves them 12.5 million plus the salary of the pick.


You can try and justify it all you want, its an awful trade with no realistic logic.



Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but it would be much more pleasurable to debate it with you without the air of condescension and arrogance that you type with.

At least I am trying to support my idea/thought, it may be 100% off base, IDK, but I try hard not to just dismiss something I don't agree with without attempting to debate my reasonings.


That's fair and I was in a hurry hence the little context and clipped response.

1. The draft pick has inherently more value than shaving off a few million (Oubre is guaranteed for only $5mill). Teams do not trade mid-firsts for such nominal salary savings. Again, the value is just not close here.

2. If Charlotte was seriously concerned about saving that money, they would have waived Plumlee this week and pocketed those savings.

3. Charlotte does not need to cut salary to afford a max contract for Bridges.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread – (June 23rd, 8PM, ESPN) 

Post#792 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:53 pm

BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
BleedGreen1989 wrote:
You can try and justify it all you want, its an awful trade with no realistic logic.



Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but it would be much more pleasurable to debate it with you without the air of condescension and arrogance that you type with.

At least I am trying to support my idea/thought, it may be 100% off base, IDK, but I try hard not to just dismiss something I don't agree with without attempting to debate my reasonings.


That's fair and I was in a hurry hence the little context and clipped response.

1. The draft pick has inherently more value than shaving off a few million (Oubre is guaranteed for only $5mill). Teams do not trade mid-firsts for such nominal salary savings. Again, the value is just not close here.

2. If Charlotte was seriously concerned about saving that money, they would have waived Plumlee this week and pocketed those savings.

3. Charlotte does not need to cut salary to afford a max contract for Bridges.



Very valid points.

But 3rd one. There are reports that although they dont need to cut salary, they want to.
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread – (June 23rd, 8PM, ESPN) 

Post#793 » by playa-hater » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:12 pm

So this year barely spent a minute of evaluating draft players for the first time in a while.. Mainly due to only having 53.. Now there is a chance to get a 1st??? please make it happen Brad...
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Re: 2022 NBA Draft Thread – (June 23rd, 8PM, ESPN) 

Post#795 » by KamikazeK » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:36 pm

165bows wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
TatumMVP wrote:He look like Wiggins, im down, lets move to no.15 Charlotte pick and draft him.

Charlotte would give up the 15th pick to move salary I believe. Plumlee? Oubre? PJ Washington?

Theis, Nesmith, Pritchard and 53 for Terry R, Plumlee and 15.

I’m sure he’d be happy playing 17 mins/game off the bench :lol:

This trade seems way lopsided to me, like an obvious slam dunk for Boston but not sure Charlotte's motivation in it. :lol:
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Post#796 » by Hal14 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:40 pm

If we trade up to 28, a few names to consider:

Dalen Terry
Wendell Moore
Christian Braun
Jake LaRavia

All 4 of these guys would likely be in our rotation from day 1 next season IMO.

I doubt that all 4 of them are available but at least 1 of them should be.
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Post#797 » by BostonCouchGM » Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:45 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:LOL, you aren't getting Eason with the 28th pick. What would the Celtics be willing to give for #28, and who would they take if they had it? That rumor makes no sense.

Pick in the late lottery would cost Marcus Smart or Rob Williams.


yeah, it's silly rumor season. And Ime has destroyed any trade value either Pritchard or Nesmith has so zero chance anyone trades a 1st for either or even both. Only TimeLord and the Jays could get a 1st. Even Smart is expensive for what he is and might not necessarily return a 1st unless we also took back bad salary. We really don't have many avenues to maneuver but I know this won't stop all the rumors from flying. I'm just hoping we can get a solid 2nd rounder like last year (Begarin) with guys like Spagnolo or Badji
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Post#798 » by TSmith0197 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:07 pm

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I think I read somewhere once that GSW was very high on PP during the draft because of his shooting. I wouldn’t be surprised if they ask for PP.
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Post#799 » by BK_2020 » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:25 pm

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I think I read somewhere once that GSW was very high on PP during the draft because of his shooting. I wouldn’t be surprised if they ask for PP.

God I hope so.
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Post#800 » by 165bows » Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:32 pm

KamikazeK wrote:
165bows wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Charlotte would give up the 15th pick to move salary I believe. Plumlee? Oubre? PJ Washington?

Theis, Nesmith, Pritchard and 53 for Terry R, Plumlee and 15.

I’m sure he’d be happy playing 17 mins/game off the bench :lol:

This trade seems way lopsided to me, like an obvious slam dunk for Boston but not sure Charlotte's motivation in it. :lol:

Yeah the Plumlee thing mentioned above wasn’t on my radar screen. Hard to reconcile that with them wanting to save money.

Though they would have had to spend just as much to replace him so maybe he’s not that relevant.

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