Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[FlatearthZorro]

Iirc Houston's GM, Morey, is a major stats guy, so if Milwaukee really wants to get Asik, then it seems Morey will prefer Ilyasova over Bass. Ilyasova has had a higher Win Share Per 48 than Bass the last two years and is also more of a defense stretcher...

Morey also gave a max contract to Harden who is one of the worst defenders in the league and another one to Dwight who still doesn't have a post game.

Bass has played with Howard, nice midrange game, a much better defender than IIyasova, a budding rap career, and playoff experience. We also have a ton of draft picks to cash in on.

Asik has some Blount like hands, but he is an actual Center that will arguably make us one of the best defensive teams in the league. Rondo/AB/Green/Sully/Asik would be filthy on defense and hopefully passable on offense

You're right, Bass is a better player than Ersan and he's also cheaper which is a big thing imo... All Ilyasova does is shoot 3's, he hasn't been that good this year...

Plus he definitely can't rap like that:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6TigS4RhWI[/youtube]

[exculpatory]

Iirc Houston's GM, Morey, is a major stats guy, so if Milwaukee really wants to get Asik, then it seems Morey will prefer Ilyasova over Bass. Ilyasova has had a higher Win Share Per 48 than Bass the last two years and is also more of a defense stretcher...

It is certainly a great buy low opportunity on Ilyasova and the last year of his deal isn't guaranteed. That said he is in a simliar situation as Jeff Green in MIL and he has kind of thrown up all over himself. So sure his numbers look great if you take the first quarter of this year and just let it water down what he did last year. But right now all of his numbers standard, advanced whatever are terrible.

Bass on the other hand continues to play well in either a bench role or starter role, contender or rebuilding situation. You can ride him offensively when his jumper is falling and he can defend all 5 positions for you to an extent. It is strange that a guy with his jump shot doesn't shoot 3's, wonder if that may change under Stevens.

I also think that HOU may target Humphries over Bass. He isn't as versatile or effective defensively but is more productive especially on the glass and his jumper is falling this season. We may also be looking at a 3 team which would make more sense. Where HOU is targeting guys like Ryan Anderson, Ilyasova, but Thad Young and while at least MIL and PHI are listening they are not going to want Asik back in any deal they are going to want salary relief and a draft pick.

This is just my speculation because Boston itself may not want Asik either. But HOU may be trying to put together a 3 team deal that sends Hump and a draft pick to MIL or PHI, Asik to Boston, and returns Ilyasova or Young. This may be the reason for the immediacy of the deal that it isn't HOU that would want to turn around the player they are dealing for but MIL or PHI may want to be able to re-route Humphries at the deadline.

The poker game here is the draft pick, who gives it and what. Interestingly HOU has a boatload of 2nd round picks owed to them 4 extra 2nds over the next 4 years including the Knicks '14, '15 and only owe this years 2nd to PHI. In a 3 team deal where everyone is kind of getting what it wants and Boston is taking on the salary while HOU would be breaking about even and MIL would save 13 mil and PHI 16 mil Boston may get away with not having to give up the pick. Something like PHI gives HOU back its '14 2nd in exchange for HOU '14 1st.

Sully, if Danny ever decides to quit, I will call Wyc & nominate you! LOL.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Plus he definitely can't rap like that:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6TigS4RhWI[/youtube]

Drink a few bottles of scotch and close your eyes, he sounds like Nas if you have never heard him before

[CelticFaninLBC]

Bass has been better this year, but Ilyasova's has been recovering from a severe ankle sprain and has missed some games, fwiw.

[CelticFaninLBC]

HOU may be trying to put together a 3 team deal that sends Hump and a draft pick to MIL or PHI, Asik to Boston, and returns Ilyasova or Young. This may be the reason for the immediacy of the deal that it isn't HOU that would want to turn around the player they are dealing for but MIL or PHI may want to be able to re-route Humphries at the deadline.

I can see Humphries being involved, if it's a 3 way deal, with Hump going to a team looking to dump payroll... Hence why Philly gets mentioned so often? Maybe Hump and another player and/or pick could go to Philly, with Asik and Jason Richardson coming to Boston, and Thadd Young going to Houston??? I can't see why Philly wants Asik, since they drafted Nerlens Noel.

[Slartibartfast]

I wonder if Terrence Jones' promising start to the season (40% from 3, solid on the boards, team-leading BLK%, nice transition weapon) will cool Houston's supposed lust for a stretch 4.

I seem to remember Howard not liking to play with Bass all that much in Orlando. Plus Bass is harder to move in a secondary deal with that extra year.

I think Hump + a pick would be more appealing to Houston. Hump is a capable enough bench 4/5 who can play alongside a variety of players and be happy doing the lunch pail work. He's also one of the better expiring contracts in the league - big but not too big - which would suit Morey's deadline trade ambitions.

It would also work better for Boston - would get us $4 mil of wiggle room under the tax so we could be more flexible in our own deadline trades (would allow us to take back more salary without exceeding the tax).

Another option would be Gerald Wallace and 2 picks for Asik and Ronnie Brewer. Houston could actually use Wallace (they need a perimeter defender in the worst way).

[CelticFaninLBC]

If a 3 way with Philly & Houston...

Asik & Brewer to Boston

Thaddeus Young & Faverani to Houston

Bogans, Olynyk & BKN/ATL 2014 pick (probably 17-20 range) to Philly

Boston retains Hump & Bass, and can use Hump's expiring if Love or Melo become available...

[Who-rod]

I am still intrigued by the idea of getting Evan Turner on the cheap. I know, he can't shoot, I get it. I think he is turning a corner, and Philly may be willing to move on from him for a 1st and expiring (bogans).

[Slartibartfast]

This needs to happen - so painful to watch Sully/Bass pretend at the 5.

[eris]

Guys, a general rule is you don't buy expensive role players when your core isn't even ready yet.

Unless he's Ben Wallace, Asik is not a core player. Has 4th quarter liability written all over him.

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That's how I feel about it, too. I like Asik, but I don't think he fits on the C's yet.

Danny has said it is much easier to build a champion caliber team if you get the stars first and add role players to them. Even if we say Rondo is a star, I think it's stretching to say the C's have a 2nd one in place. Green is not the 2nd guy, I wish he was, but he is not.

[eris]

Ilyasova makes sense for HOU..


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But Bass is outplaying him 11.5/6 on 47% vs 9/5 44% and way less expensive 2 years 13.5 mil vs 3 years 24 mil.

True, but some of 'outplaying' is contextual.. Ilyasova can hit 3's, unlike Bass.

Thaddeus Young has come up as someone the Sixers might move for Asik- I would get in on Bass to HOU, Asik to PHI, Young to BOS. But now I'm predicting Asik will go to MIL for Caron Butler..

Make it Hawes to Boston and I'm all for it!

[sully00]

If a 3 way with Philly & Houston...

Asik & Brewer to Boston

Thaddeus Young & Faverani to Houston

Bogans, Olynyk & BKN/ATL 2014 pick (probably 17-20 range) to Philly

Boston retains Hump & Bass, and can use Hump's expiring if Love or Melo become available...

That is crazy from the standpoint of giving up KO and a 1st and not getting any salary relief while taking on almost 20 mil in salary.

I am pretty sure Boston is offering Hump and a 1st and I think that is trump right now and that is why HOU is putting up this deadline because they are going to take it if nobody offers anything better. Hump fills a need without any kind of commitment and everyone loves a 1st round draft pick.

[CelticFaninLBC]

If a 3 way with Philly & Houston...

Asik & Brewer to Boston

Thaddeus Young & Faverani to Houston

Bogans, Olynyk & BKN/ATL 2014 pick (probably 17-20 range) to Philly

Boston retains Hump & Bass, and can use Hump's expiring if Love or Melo become available...

That is crazy from the standpoint of giving up KO and a 1st and not getting any salary relief while taking on almost 20 mil in salary.

I am pretty sure Boston is offering Hump and a 1st and I think that is trump right now and that is why HOU is putting up this deadline because they are going to take it if nobody offers anything better. Hump fills a need without any kind of commitment and everyone loves a 1st round draft pick.

Have insider info? Not sure what need Hump fills besides cap relief... He doesn't fit with Howard.

[sully00]

If a 3 way with Philly & Houston...

Asik & Brewer to Boston

Thaddeus Young & Faverani to Houston

Bogans, Olynyk & BKN/ATL 2014 pick (probably 17-20 range) to Philly

Boston retains Hump & Bass, and can use Hump's expiring if Love or Melo become available...

That is crazy from the standpoint of giving up KO and a 1st and not getting any salary relief while taking on almost 20 mil in salary.

I am pretty sure Boston is offering Hump and a 1st and I think that is trump right now and that is why HOU is putting up this deadline because they are going to take it if nobody offers anything better. Hump fills a need without any kind of commitment and everyone loves a 1st round draft pick.

Have insider info? Not sure what need Hump fills besides cap relief... He doesn't fit with Howard.

I am way more idiot savant than insider.

Hump plays PF and is productive. He can come off the bench or start and can knock down a jumper. More importantly he is an expiring contract. Add a 1st round pick and winner winner you know the rest. Assuming that HOU might want to make a play for a Ilyasova or Young their teams don't want Asik they want to trade their guy for an expiring contract and a draft pick.

I am not sure Ainge is willing to include a first round draft pick but assuming he is then I think this is probably the best deal because they can make it a 3 way deal there is talk about DET wanting out of Josh Smith already (shocker) and HOU may want in but DET doesn't want Asik but Hump and a 1st that is worth doing business.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Just browsing the stats on basketball-reference.com, it appears Hump shot in the mid-30 percents from outside 10 feet between 2010-2013. I don't see any stats for this year. That seems pretty low amongst pf's...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ting/2013/

[sully00]

Just browsing the stats on basketball-reference.com, it appears Hump shot in the mid-30 percents from outside 10 feet between 2010-2013. I don't see any stats for this year. That seems pretty low amongst pf's...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ting/2013/

He is at 40% on 82 games but as I mentioned already they are about 8 games behind.

BFB if your reading I miss Synergy sports.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Considering Houston's waiting until Dec. 15, I think they'll deal Asik for Milsap, who can't be traded til Dec. 15. They could have already made deals for Ilyasova or Humphries..

Maybe Bogans is involved in a 3 way deal though, or Faverani goes to Houston along with Bass?? Who knows...

[sully00]

Considering Houston's waiting until Dec. 15, I think they'll deal Asik for Milsap, who can't be traded til Dec. 15. They could have already made deals for Ilyasova or Humphries..

Maybe Bogans is involved in a 3 way deal though, or Faverani goes to Houston along with Bass?? Who knows...

The Hawks better get a couple of Hawaiian Islands in the deal because they will be persona non grata league wide if they pull that crap.

Going from Smith to Milsap makes a ton of sense but going from Milsap to Asik doesn't.

Great deal for the Rockets though.

[brackdan70]

Considering Houston's waiting until Dec. 15, I think they'll deal Asik for Milsap, who can't be traded til Dec. 15. They could have already made deals for Ilyasova or Humphries..

Maybe Bogans is involved in a 3 way deal though, or Faverani goes to Houston along with Bass?? Who knows...

I don't see that making any sense for the Hawks

[CelticFaninLBC]

Considering Houston's waiting until Dec. 15, I think they'll deal Asik for Milsap, who can't be traded til Dec. 15. They could have already made deals for Ilyasova or Humphries..

Maybe Bogans is involved in a 3 way deal though, or Faverani goes to Houston along with Bass?? Who knows...

I don't see that making any sense for the Hawks

Horford can finally play the 4.