"WCIHAoTDP?" - 2016 Draft Thread P.2

[Parliament10]

Good overview of the Celtics' draft rights:

http://www.tankathon.com/celtics

I screenshot it, for a better view.

Par, I always appreciate you making me a real lazy mutha*****.

I don't even click links no more. Just keep scrolling & you're gonna hook everyone up. Always killing the quotes & graphics

Thanks 2Mas!!! -- I got that update for ya.

[Murta]

My post in old draft thread from two weeks ago:

Everything can happen in one game system like NCAA tournament, but Hield is probably the biggest winner from the bracketology. Oklahoma is the strongest team in that region, guards thrive in March Madness, I just don't see how he won't profit, barring a possible, highly improbable surprise. Which makes me concerned if he would be overdrafted.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=46267213#p46267213
#justSaying
I'm as impressed with Hield as anybody is, but I predicted this to happen. NCAA Tournament is where guards with shooting, intensity and experience thrive, and Hield certainly checks all the boxes.
That's why the matchup against Villanova could be very useful for determining his NBA outcome, they have multiple interesting guards, starting with Brunson.
Nevertheless, Hield does offer a tantalizing package, though more to a team like Philly than Boston who has Thomas and Bradley. If Sixers get Lakers pick, I think Hield could be the number one option.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs traded up for Žižić. That type of center who can switch on p&r, rebounds every ball and isn't an offensive hog next to LMA. If Spurs had Noel, their matchup with GSW would be much more favorable. This is probably the easiest way to obtain someone like him.
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I was always on the record how Jaylen Brown has a low NBA floor and that he needs a good coach like Thibs or Stevens, but I never expected to see that floor in multiple college games in a row because he's such an overwhelming athletic presence. That's frightening. I'm starting to think his downside is more problematic than I initially thought. Definitely slid from my top 4 to around #7.

[BRUNiNHO91]

4-12-22 is pretty sweet. We all got our fingers crossed on Brooklyn falling to 3 but I think it's pretty safe to say that if somebody offered that combination to us back on the same day we pulled the trigger on the KG trade that we would all take it running and smiling.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

I screenshot it, for a better view.

Par, I always appreciate you making me a real lazy mutha*****.

I don't even click links no more. Just keep scrolling & you're gonna hook everyone up. Always killing the quotes & graphics

Thanks 2Mas!!! -- I got that update for ya.

The whole Celtics front office once draft day gets here.

[return2glory]

Everyone is sleeping on Brice Johnson and only because his age. He's going to be a major force in the league. To me he's like Amare Stoudemire. Looking like a nice get for that Dallas pick, I'm taking him over Sabonis and Rabb all day.

I really like Johnson's game. Decent offense and good rebounder who blocks and changes shots.

I had Brice just outside of my top 10 prospects for most of the season.

[djFan71]

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I wouldn't be surprised if Spurs traded up for Žižić. That type of center who can switch on p&r, rebounds every ball and isn't an offensive hog next to LMA. If Spurs had Noel, their matchup with GSW would be much more favorable. This is probably the easiest way to obtain someone like him.

Heck, we should grab him then... I like that description of a center.

[31to6]

I was always on the record how Jaylen Brown has a low NBA floor and that he needs a good coach like Thibs or Stevens, but I never expected to see that floor in multiple college games in a row because he's such an overwhelming athletic presence. That's frightening. I'm starting to think his downside is more problematic than I initially thought. Definitely slid from my top 4 to around #7.

Kinda feels like those who like Brown might as well wait for next year for Jackson?

[Wes-J]

I'm not a huge Johnson fan - he is a block chaser and doesn't defend that well at the college level one-on-one. Also lacks the frame to play center like Gibson, which means you've got major spacing issues.

Johnson to me is a poor man's Brandan Wright.

He's come a long way, has a lot to learn, especially on defense but that's commonplace among college kids these days, it's not a major issue if players possess the tools and a willingness to work. No prospect is perfect, he's got skills that can't be taught.

It might be commonplace for a freshman to not have defensive awareness, but a 23 year old senior should dominate defensively and that is not remotely how I would characterize Johnson.

Slow your roll he's 21yrs old. Like I said he's got much to learn as does anyone else but his physical talent and production merits top 10 consideration. Your characterization of his defense is no different than Mickey's yet everyone is calling to get him in rotation.

[Wes-J]

I was always on the record how Jaylen Brown has a low NBA floor and that he needs a good coach like Thibs or Stevens, but I never expected to see that floor in multiple college games in a row because he's such an overwhelming athletic presence. That's frightening. I'm starting to think his downside is more problematic than I initially thought. Definitely slid from my top 4 to around #7.

Kinda feels like those who like Brown might as well wait for next year for Jackson?

I remember when people said Zach Lavine had no clue what he was doing on the college floor. I was one of those naysayers. Get Brown in the right system and organization and he'll be just fine. You draft him understanding he's a 3yr project.

[Gomes3PC]

Zach LaVine sucks. Dan Dickau thinks he doesn't play defense. LaVine is a great run-jump athlete with a nice jumper but zero other discernable NBA skills, just like Gerald Green. That's why is on/off rating is atrocious and his real +/- is in the range of Steve Blake and Austin Rivers.

Maybe LaVine figures it out and becomes a not sucky player in the future, but for now I wouldn't trot him out as an exhibit of your scouting prowess. He looks even worse as a pick in retrospect given the next two picks were Gary Harris and Rodney Hood, both of whom are clearly better players than LaVine.

[31to6]

I was always on the record how Jaylen Brown has a low NBA floor and that he needs a good coach like Thibs or Stevens, but I never expected to see that floor in multiple college games in a row because he's such an overwhelming athletic presence. That's frightening. I'm starting to think his downside is more problematic than I initially thought. Definitely slid from my top 4 to around #7.

Kinda feels like those who like Brown might as well wait for next year for Jackson?

I remember when people said Zach Lavine had no clue what he was doing on the college floor. I was one of those naysayers. Get Brown in the right system and organization and he'll be just fine. You draft him understanding he's a 3yr project.

Zach still has to prove he's not Gerald Green Jr., but I definitely appreciate your point.

[31to6]

Zach LaVine sucks. Dan Dickau thinks he doesn't play defense. LaVine is a great run-jump athlete with a nice jumper but zero other discernable NBA skills, just like Gerald Green. That's why is on/off rating is atrocious and his real +/- is in the range of Steve Blake and Austin Rivers.

Maybe LaVine figures it out and becomes a not sucky player in the future, but for now I wouldn't trot him out as an exhibit of your scouting prowess. He looks even worse as a pick in retrospect given the next two picks were Gary Harris and Rodney Hood, both of whom are clearly better players than LaVine.

Just wondering, when you posted this did you see 'FINISH HIM" flashing in lights above his head?

The whole point is we're drafting guys (including Gerald) so young that who knows how it turns out.

[BfB]

He's come a long way, has a lot to learn, especially on defense but that's commonplace among college kids these days, it's not a major issue if players possess the tools and a willingness to work. No prospect is perfect, he's got skills that can't be taught.

It might be commonplace for a freshman to not have defensive awareness, but a 23 year old senior should dominate defensively and that is not remotely how I would characterize Johnson.

Slow your roll he's 21yrs old. Like I said he's got much to learn as does anyone else but his physical talent and production merits top 10 consideration. Your characterization of his defense is no different than Mickey's yet everyone is calling to get him in rotation.

I wouldn't consider him a top 10 pick, but he is certainly worthy of a 1st round selection.

The emergence of Johnson's jump shot alone should warrent a pick from 20-30. His mobility, speed, explosiveness, and finishing ability are all top knotch. He has the footspeed to develop into a valuable perimeter switch/hedge-recover defender as well as a weakside rim defender.

He certainly hasnt shown the focus you'd like to see on the defensive end, that is certain. However, this is a question of his motivations moreso than an indightment of his potential. A new role with new demands at the NBA level may change that focus substantially.

Predraft is where you learn more about the answer to these questions instead of falling victim to preconceived "signposts" that require too much projection on cause without proper i formation.

[BfB]

Zach LaVine sucks. Dan Dickau thinks he doesn't play defense. LaVine is a great run-jump athlete with a nice jumper but zero other discernable NBA skills, just like Gerald Green. That's why is on/off rating is atrocious and his real +/- is in the range of Steve Blake and Austin Rivers.

Maybe LaVine figures it out and becomes a not sucky player in the future, but for now I wouldn't trot him out as an exhibit of your scouting prowess. He looks even worse as a pick in retrospect given the next two picks were Gary Harris and Rodney Hood, both of whom are clearly better players than LaVine.

Just wondering, when you posted this did you see 'FINISH HIM" flashing in lights above his head?

The whole point is we're drafting guys (including Gerald) so young that who knows how it turns out.

Ya,everything Zach has done in MIN has been a net negative relative to his own team's substandard level. Real empty stats type of decision-maker that many are eager to project into Klay Thompson offensively. My eye sees a garbage time scorer who thrives in non-pressure enviroments amidst abject losing.

Not riding his wave.

[Wes-J]

Kinda feels like those who like Brown might as well wait for next year for Jackson?

I remember when people said Zach Lavine had no clue what he was doing on the college floor. I was one of those naysayers. Get Brown in the right system and organization and he'll be just fine. You draft him understanding he's a 3yr project.

Zach still has to prove he's not Gerald Green Jr., but I definitely appreciate your point.

I guess I'm not so quick to dismiss very young and raw players altogether, like some in here. I didn't give Lavine a chance in hell before, I'm just saying he's shown to be a guy worth developing, like I believe Brown is worth developing because physically he has no peer that I can see.

[Bleeding Green]

Lavine has improved greatly this year and is tracking to shoot 40 pct from three. His defense is bad, but he's a really great offensive player. He's 21 and super athletic. He's gonna be sick next year after spending the summer with Kobe. But yes, Rodney Hood is better.

[2Mas]

Lavine has improved greatly this year and is tracking to shoot 40 pct from three. His defense is bad, but he's a really great offensive player. He's 21 and super athletic. He's gonna be sick next year after spending the summer with Kobe. But yes, Rodney Hood is better.

Thank you.

I don't understand the whole hate for these young players on bad teams with not pretty stats. Just trying to find negative things so badly.

Avg'in 14-3-3 on 46-39-79%'s. I didn't even know his %'s were that good till I just looked.

Look - The Timberwolves are in a growing stage. idc how ugly advanced stats say he is now. When they are playing to really win, & not just develop, then it'll be an issue. But there's no reason on calling him a bonafide looser because he's been 21 for 2 weeks & isn't a stud.

& Really -- The wolves already have their 1-2 punch. What's he gotta turn into? A good 3rd option? Seems more than possible. He'll mature & get better.

PS - I've always loved the Wolves blue. Just a couple shades different but it looks ill. & Even when it was different back when KG & Spree were there. The teal-ish tint was ill.

[KG_Wolves]

Zach LaVine sucks. Dan Dickau thinks he doesn't play defense. LaVine is a great run-jump athlete with a nice jumper but zero other discernable NBA skills, just like Gerald Green. That's why is on/off rating is atrocious and his real +/- is in the range of Steve Blake and Austin Rivers.

Maybe LaVine figures it out and becomes a not sucky player in the future, but for now I wouldn't trot him out as an exhibit of your scouting prowess. He looks even worse as a pick in retrospect given the next two picks were Gary Harris and Rodney Hood, both of whom are clearly better players than LaVine.

Just wondering, when you posted this did you see 'FINISH HIM" flashing in lights above his head?

The whole point is we're drafting guys (including Gerald) so young that who knows how it turns out.

Ya,everything Zach has done in MIN has been a net negative relative to his own team's substandard level. Real empty stats type of decision-maker that many are eager to project into Klay Thompson offensively. My eye sees a garbage time scorer who thrives in non-pressure enviroments amidst abject losing.

Not riding his wave.

This is harsh, this all may have been true last year, but I think the kid has hit another gear post all star break. He is starting to become a force, that can score AND be a playmaker.

Anyways I ask that you guys leave us one of Dunn/Murray/Hield, our bench thanks you

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Bender's stats in limited minutes starting to round into pretty nice shape. 19/9 per 40 on good percentages.

[jayu70]

If we have the 4th pick and Bender goes 3rd I'm trading it. If the Cavs flame out in the playoffs again I try throwing the 4th pick (Hield), Amir and someone else at them for Love and a 2018 or 2019 1st.

The Cleveland Cavaliers and Boston Celtics discussed a Kevin Love trade at the deadline, but talks died when Danny Ainge only offered a low-ball package David Griffin wouldn't consider.

The Cavaliers could revisit a trade of Love in the offseason if they don't win the title.

The Celtics would be the favorites as they have enough assets to make an attractive offer for Love without gutting their team.

I wish they would actually list what was offered.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/241370/Celtics-Low-Balled-Cavs-On-Kevin-Love-Offer-At-Deadline