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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#81 » by Green89 » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:07 pm

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jrob23 wrote:I'm ready to hand Smart the starting PG spot. I want to once and for all see if he can handle the job. He has the size and defense. I want IT coming off the bench where his atrocious defense can be masked and he can provide instant offense. We need to know if Smart can be that guy or not. Also, it would help with showcasing him for potential trades. Something has got to give and we just have to finally decide if Smart should be part of the team going forward.


Top 10 in scoring and assists in the league and you want him on the bench? Not going to happen.


Im not a stat guy. But if you want to go there he is also in last place in the entire NBA in defensive rating. Thomas is part of the problem and he more than anybody needs Crowder and Horfy back. Im not for moving him to the bench more on a psychological level. He has proven to much to be moved to the bench and Smart has not done enough to earn a starters role. But i do think the change would help the team at the moment.


If guys in the top 10 on offense were benched because of poor defense, James Harden would be the first guy riding the pine. Players who are this potent on offense never get benched, regardless of defensive issues.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#82 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:13 pm

Sad but true: IT has the best defensive rating among the Celtics guards: http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#!/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&CF=TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*bos
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#83 » by DarkAzcura » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:30 pm

shawn unkempt wrote:
TommyPointGawd wrote:+10000 Its like people want him to fail. The guy can hit 5 threes tonight and if the Cs lose there will be Smart cant shoot post.

More like he'll have his 1 good game of the month and people will come out of the woodwork saying he's turning a corner, only for the next 15 games to be more dreadful shooting. I don't want him to fail, just accepting his talent for what it is.


But like SMT said, he has had three good games in a row now. People who like Smart don't like him because he has a good game once in a blue moon. People who like Smart..like Smart, because they see something different in him than you, which is fine. I think Smart has good games most of the time, and if he improves his offense to average, he would be a high level starting type of player. As he is now, he is a high level role player, IMO.

I've really never seen a player more railroaded than Smart for going through a sophomore slump (albeit it was a pretty major shooting issue, but it's like his rookie year 3PT shooting poofed out of existence and became irrelevant). IMO, your criticisms would be more fair if we were talking about a 4-5 year player who hasn't improved year to year. We are talking about a player who has barely played 130 games in his career thus far and just began his third season.

How exactly are you accepting his talent for what it is? He shot ~34% his rookie year from 3. Then he shot ~25% last year. How can anyone choose which is real and which is fake? What is there to even accept about his talent? That's what I mean when I say the sample size is far too low and varied to make any real judgments on where he will land. You are acting like we are talking about a five year vet and that his rookie year shooting is meaningless because his other four years sucked, which would be true..if he has been in the league that long.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#84 » by Banks2Pierce » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:40 pm

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I've really never seen a player more railroaded than Smart for going through a sophomore slump (albeit it was a pretty major shooting issue, but it's like his rookie year 3PT shooting poofed out of existence and became irrelevant).


I thought last year that the hand injuries he had in the summer had a major effect on his shooting. He looked bad in this preseason from downtown, however. Has started the real games off well. Still up in the air.

I feel like someone only thinking he has 1 good game per month must be paying attention to points only. Smart's one of the few guards in the league that can have 3 points, go 1 for 8, and still somehow have a good game. Have seen a lot of guys come through here that could score and do little else(Gerald, Jordan Crawford, Marshon) so I feel like I have an appreciation for the stuff Smart does do well. I think I missed the boat towards the end of Tony Allen's Boston stint and I don't want to again.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#85 » by SichtingLives » Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:49 pm

I think Smart's the guy who will step up in the shadows once we get healthy, kind of like Crowder did last year. I'm not expecting him to become or stay a good shooter any time soon but I do think by the halfway point of the season he's going to be taking over some games. We've seen it in the past. I think this year it becomes a little more prevalent.

He stunk last year, I get that. Not denying his history. But it's his 3rd year and there's 75 more games to play, a lot can change in the next 6 months. I don't know what his ceiling is but I'm at least confident he hasn't hit it yet.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#86 » by Iguodaladon » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:07 pm

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Iguodaladon wrote:One of the greatest mysteries in the known universe is why Marcus Smart was ever so highly touted. His scouting reports never sounded like the makings of a future star- you know things are bad when they're speaking intangibles and leadership as your main qualities before you hit 36 years old

Despite this and Randle looking like the better player atm, I'm not gonna bust Ainge about picking him- Gordon, Smart and Randle were all ranked amonge each other at the time of the draft and it was an honest toss up between any 3 of them

Randle is looking like a playable and nothing more. I think Smart still clearly ahead of Randle.


Randle is looking like he has some offensive potential and is sadly probably even a better playmaker than Smart. Smart looks like he'll be happy coming off the bench for the rest of his time here in Boston with no hope of ever supplanting IT4, which is pretty disappointing for a 6th pick in an apparently loaded draft
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#87 » by chakdaddy » Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:53 pm

I preferred Randle but worried he was a classic undersized Danny tweener. If Smart didn't project as starting PG the pick was pointless and only served to diminish Rondo s value
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#88 » by Golabki » Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:07 pm

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Iguodaladon wrote:One of the greatest mysteries in the known universe is why Marcus Smart was ever so highly touted. His scouting reports never sounded like the makings of a future star- you know things are bad when they're speaking intangibles and leadership as your main qualities before you hit 36 years old

Despite this and Randle looking like the better player atm, I'm not gonna bust Ainge about picking him- Gordon, Smart and Randle were all ranked amonge each other at the time of the draft and it was an honest toss up between any 3 of them

Randle is looking like a playable and nothing more. I think Smart still clearly ahead of Randle.


Randle is looking like he has some offensive potential and is sadly probably even a better playmaker than Smart. Smart looks like he'll be happy coming off the bench for the rest of his time here in Boston with no hope of ever supplanting IT4, which is pretty disappointing for a 6th pick in an apparently loaded draft

Randle's resurgence is almost entirely based on him shooting 80% at the rim over 250 minutes. I'll just saying it's a bit early to declare Randle a sucess.
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Post#89 » by claycarver » Sat Nov 12, 2016 1:10 pm

chakdaddy wrote:I preferred Randle but worried he was a classic undersized Danny tweener. If Smart didn't project as starting PG the pick was pointless and only served to diminish Rondo s value


Smart depressed Rondo's value so much we only got Crowder to show for it. damn
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Post#90 » by KumaJG » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:39 pm

Smart haven't made the leap you would expect from a third player. Averaging 12.5 points on 18+ shots is not good. Skill set still the same. Obviously he can breakout anytime. Until then I see him nothing more than an elite role player / solid starter.
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Post#91 » by ddb » Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:22 pm

For those who are bullish on Smart...I question your ability to rationally understand the concept of success and the variables that lead to success.

Marcus Smart is CRITICAL to this teams success. I don't want to hear about shooting %s, PER, etc. This guy brings all the intangibles you need. He is the glue that holds it all together for this team. He and Crowder. Marcus Smart makes everyone else's job easier. Marcus Smart is a guy you want in your fox hole. He may drive you up the wall sometimes with a turnover, but more often then not he will make it up, plus some with hustle and grit.

I can absolutely see this guy going down in Celtics history for winning us a critical game in a crucial championship series.

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Post#92 » by DoubleHappiness » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:13 pm

I think you meant bearish instead of bullish? But other than that I agree. I have been impressed with Marcus' improved willingness to take it to the rack at times, and also how much he has improved his vision and running the PnR.

That touch pass where he was in the air that hit IT perfectly for the assist the other night comes to mind. There are times when I'm like "Whoa, Marcus actually kind of looks like a point guard now." His shooting is still ugly as all hell, but let's give him the year before we go nuts, because his defense is absolutely special.

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Post#93 » by Ed Pinkney » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:20 pm

Randle looks like a player, but so does Smart. Neither is likely to be an All Star but both can be valuable contributors on a winning team.
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Post#94 » by robbie84 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:27 pm

Marcus is looking more like Chauncey Billups each day.
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Post#95 » by return2glory » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:06 am

I believe in Marcus Smart. He works hard on his game. He changed his shooting form in the off season. Once he gets up to shooting about 34-38% on 3's, he will take the next step.
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Post#96 » by SMTBSI » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:29 am

I've said this before, but Stevens has voted with his minutes. He doesn't hand young players minutes, but had Smart go 27mpg both his first two seasons, and 32mpg so far this season. That's a pretty strong indication that Brad views him as someone who can help the team win games.

And while I won't speak for the rest of you, Brad Stevens sure as heck knows more about basketball than I do.
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Post#97 » by Dave_From_NB » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:03 am

KumaJG wrote:Smart haven't made the leap you would expect from a third player. Averaging 12.5 points on 18+ shots is not good. Skill set still the same. Obviously he can breakout anytime. Until then I see him nothing more than an elite role player / solid starter.


Where does the 18 shots a game come from? He's 12.5 points on 12.0 shots, that isn't great but certainly isn't 12.5 on 18+.
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Post#98 » by pasfru » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:49 am

What Smart lacks in shooting and scoring, he more than makes up for with his spirit, defensive ability, passing and intangibles.

He's the glue that holds this team together which is remarkable for such a young player. He's our Iggy to the 2015 Warriors, our Kawhi to the 2014 Spurs. He doesn't have the prettiest game and he doesn't fill the stat sheet, but he contributes to every win in a big way.

If he develops a reliable three-point shot, which I still believe he can, it's not broken, he'll be really great.
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Re: Marcus Smart 

Post#99 » by KumaJG » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:25 pm

Dave_From_NB wrote:
KumaJG wrote:Smart haven't made the leap you would expect from a third player. Averaging 12.5 points on 18+ shots is not good. Skill set still the same. Obviously he can breakout anytime. Until then I see him nothing more than an elite role player / solid starter.


Where does the 18 shots a game come from? He's 12.5 points on 12.0 shots, that isn't great but certainly isn't 12.5 on 18+.


I am including his 3PA.
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Post#100 » by DarkAzcura » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:30 pm

KumaJG wrote:
Dave_From_NB wrote:
KumaJG wrote:Smart haven't made the leap you would expect from a third player. Averaging 12.5 points on 18+ shots is not good. Skill set still the same. Obviously he can breakout anytime. Until then I see him nothing more than an elite role player / solid starter.


Where does the 18 shots a game come from? He's 12.5 points on 12.0 shots, that isn't great but certainly isn't 12.5 on 18+.


I am including his 3PA.


?? That does include the 3 point shots. Most stats sites do not separate 2s and 3s other than basketball reference. He takes 6.3 2s and 5.7 3s. Even Thomas doesn't really take 18 shots a game heh.

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