Proposed 2017-18 Celtics Roster? -- (UPDATE)

[ddb]

I'm starting to come around on Isaac. If he keeps improving he could end up being an ideal fit at the 4 for our roater. He could end up being a matchup nightmare for opposing teams

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[greenroom31]

2 scenarios, one where we draft a guard (Fultz/Ball/DSJ) another where we draft a F (Jackson/Tatum/Isaac):

Scenario 1:
PG - IT/<draft pick>/Rozier/Demetrius
SG - AB/Smart
SF - Crowder/Brown/Nader
PF - Horford/Yabusele
C - KO/Zizic

That leaves a couple of slots for some combo of 2nd round pick/FA to fill. Ideally it would be Hayward and you consider dealing some of the other pieces and picks for a big man. Like Crowder, Rozier or IT/AB (depending on how good the rookie is) and pick(s).

Scenario 2:
PG - IT/Rozier/Demetrius
SG - AB/Smart
SF - Crowder/Brown/<draft pick>/Nader
PF - Horford/Yabusele
C - KO/Zizic

Same deal with a couple of slots for some combo of 2nd round pick/FA to fill. In this scenario Crowder makes the least sense to hold on to... particularly if we get Hayward. Then you have to trade him and prepare to go small a lot with Jaylen at the 3, Jackson/Tatum/Isaac/Yabu at the 4 and Horford/KO/Zizic at the 5.

[TheOGJabroni]

1. Hopefully draft Fultz
2. Bring over Zizic, Yabusele & Nader
3. Hopefully sign Hayward
4. Trade Bradley for the best big available (Vucevic?)

Thomas / Fultz / Rozier
Hayward / Smart
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Yabusele
Vucevic / Zizic

This makes us a better team now and for the future. You could possibly even expand #4 to Bradley & Crowder being moved if it meant getting a better big than Vucevic.

[Homerclease]

1. Hopefully draft Fultz
2. Bring over Zizic, Yabusele & Nader
3. Hopefully sign Hayward
4. Trade Bradley for the best big available (Vucevic?)

Thomas / Fultz / Rozier
Hayward / Smart
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Yabusele
Vucevic / Zizic

This makes us a better team now and for the future. You could possibly even expand #4 to Bradley & Crowder being moved if it meant getting a better big than Vucevic.

They don't have cap room for this

[TheOGJabroni]

1. Hopefully draft Fultz
2. Bring over Zizic, Yabusele & Nader
3. Hopefully sign Hayward
4. Trade Bradley for the best big available (Vucevic?)

Thomas / Fultz / Rozier
Hayward / Smart
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Yabusele
Vucevic / Zizic

This makes us a better team now and for the future. You could possibly even expand #4 to Bradley & Crowder being moved if it meant getting a better big than Vucevic.

They don't have cap room for this

Is it bringing over all three of Zizic, Yabusele & Nader? I've definitely seen a similar layout with at least Zizic, he's definitely priority 1 in this.

[Homerclease]

1. Hopefully draft Fultz
2. Bring over Zizic, Yabusele & Nader
3. Hopefully sign Hayward
4. Trade Bradley for the best big available (Vucevic?)

Thomas / Fultz / Rozier
Hayward / Smart
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Yabusele
Vucevic / Zizic

This makes us a better team now and for the future. You could possibly even expand #4 to Bradley & Crowder being moved if it meant getting a better big than Vucevic.

They don't have cap room for this

Is it bringing over all three of Zizic, Yabusele & Nader? I've definitely seen a similar layout with at least Zizic, he's definitely priority 1 in this.

If they don't move bradley they might not be able to bring over anyone and go after a max guy. Depending on what the cap number comes in at, our room is razor thin right now. Bradley is going to need to be dumped for a draft pick more than likely if we are to pursue a max guy. I'm all for this option if they can dump him for a pick in the 15-20 range

[Parliament10]

They don't have cap room for this

Is it bringing over all three of Zizic, Yabusele & Nader? I've definitely seen a similar layout with at least Zizic, he's definitely priority 1 in this.

If they don't move bradley they might not be able to bring over anyone and go after a max guy. Depending on what the cap number comes in at, our room is razor thin right now. Bradley is going to need to be dumped for a draft pick more than likely if we are to pursue a max guy. I'm all for this option if they can dump him for a pick in the 15-20 range

I don't think that we're going after a Max guy.
I think that Ainge will keep who he has in play, for the most part.


2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / Fultz / Jackson?
Bradley / Smart / Rozier / Rookie = Two-Way Contract
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Jerebko / Yabusele
Center / Žižić -- / Olynyk / Mickey? = Two-Way Contract

[TheOGJabroni]

They don't have cap room for this

Is it bringing over all three of Zizic, Yabusele & Nader? I've definitely seen a similar layout with at least Zizic, he's definitely priority 1 in this.

If they don't move bradley they might not be able to bring over anyone and go after a max guy. Depending on what the cap number comes in at, our room is razor thin right now. Bradley is going to need to be dumped for a draft pick more than likely if we are to pursue a max guy. I'm all for this option if they can dump him for a pick in the 15-20 range

If we could move Bradley for draft pick and select someone like Isaac, Markkannen , Rabb or Giles, I would be very pleased. If we could get an athlete with some length, it would do us wonders.

[Homerclease]

Is it bringing over all three of Zizic, Yabusele & Nader? I've definitely seen a similar layout with at least Zizic, he's definitely priority 1 in this.

If they don't move bradley they might not be able to bring over anyone and go after a max guy. Depending on what the cap number comes in at, our room is razor thin right now. Bradley is going to need to be dumped for a draft pick more than likely if we are to pursue a max guy. I'm all for this option if they can dump him for a pick in the 15-20 range

If we could move Bradley for draft pick and select someone like Isaac, Markkannen , Rabb or Giles, I would be very pleased. If we could get an athlete with some length, it would do us wonders.

That's what I want. There are gonna be guys like Rabb and Leaf and Bam available in the mid to late first and we need to dump Bradley anyway if Hayward is the target. Balance the roster and clear the log jam at the same time

[ConstableGeneva]

IT / Smart
Hayward / Ball
Crowder / Brown
Griffin / Stretch-4 vet
Horford / Zizic

Don't ask me how that's possible. It's not. Didn't stop me from dreaming it.

[TheOGJabroni]

If they don't move bradley they might not be able to bring over anyone and go after a max guy. Depending on what the cap number comes in at, our room is razor thin right now. Bradley is going to need to be dumped for a draft pick more than likely if we are to pursue a max guy. I'm all for this option if they can dump him for a pick in the 15-20 range

If we could move Bradley for draft pick and select someone like Isaac, Markkannen , Rabb or Giles, I would be very pleased. If we could get an athlete with some length, it would do us wonders.

That's what I want. There are gonna be guys like Rabb and Leaf and Bam available in the mid to late first and we need to dump Bradley anyway if Hayward is the target. Balance the roster and clear the log jam at the same time

I like that idea. You just listed two more guys that would make sense for us. Seems like there's a lot of value that can be had in the late lottery which is exactly what I would expect Bradley to bring back for value.

[smart_celtics]

If we could move Bradley for draft pick and select someone like Isaac, Markkannen , Rabb or Giles, I would be very pleased. If we could get an athlete with some length, it would do us wonders.

That's what I want. There are gonna be guys like Rabb and Leaf and Bam available in the mid to late first and we need to dump Bradley anyway if Hayward is the target. Balance the roster and clear the log jam at the same time

I like that idea. You just listed two more guys that would make sense for us. Seems like there's a lot of value that can be had in the late lottery which is exactly what I would expect Bradley to bring back for value.

If you're dumping AB for cap room, then you are probably doing it for a 2018 draft pick because the 2017 draft pick would have a cap hold.

[Homerclease]

That's what I want. There are gonna be guys like Rabb and Leaf and Bam available in the mid to late first and we need to dump Bradley anyway if Hayward is the target. Balance the roster and clear the log jam at the same time

I like that idea. You just listed two more guys that would make sense for us. Seems like there's a lot of value that can be had in the late lottery which is exactly what I would expect Bradley to bring back for value.

If you're dumping AB for cap room, then you are probably doing it for a 2018 draft pick because the 2017 draft pick would have a cap hold.

And in the mid to late first round it would be far less than the 9 million or so that Bradley is set to make.

[smart_celtics]

I like that idea. You just listed two more guys that would make sense for us. Seems like there's a lot of value that can be had in the late lottery which is exactly what I would expect Bradley to bring back for value.

If you're dumping AB for cap room, then you are probably doing it for a 2018 draft pick because the 2017 draft pick would have a cap hold.

And in the mid to late first round it would be far less than the 9 million or so that Bradley is set to make.

yeah but I assume that the point would be to be able to keep Olynyk and sign a max. To do that, you will need to drop a big portion of the Bradley cap number. Exact numbers will depend on where the BKN pick ends up (and the final salary cap number), but say its #1 and you stash Yabu, then it has to be 20 or lower. Less exciting to consider trading AB for the #20 this year. May be worth it to roll the dice until next year.
Other factor to consider is that you will already likely have three rookies on the roster (BKN, Zizic and Nader).

[smart_celtics]

If you're dumping AB for cap room, then you are probably doing it for a 2018 draft pick because the 2017 draft pick would have a cap hold.

And in the mid to late first round it would be far less than the 9 million or so that Bradley is set to make.

yeah but I assume that the point would be to be able to keep Olynyk and sign a max. To do that, you will need to drop a big portion of the Bradley cap number. Exact numbers will depend on where the BKN pick ends up (and the final salary cap number), but say its #1 and you stash Yabu, then it has to be 20 or lower. Less exciting to consider trading AB for the #20 this year. May be worth it to roll the dice until next year.
Other factor to consider is that you will already likely have three rookies on the roster (BKN, Zizic and Nader).

Sorry my rookie count also didn't include Yabu (assuming stash) and the 3 second round picks (Minn, LAC, Clev).

[TheOGJabroni]

If you're dumping AB for cap room, then you are probably doing it for a 2018 draft pick because the 2017 draft pick would have a cap hold.

And in the mid to late first round it would be far less than the 9 million or so that Bradley is set to make.

yeah but I assume that the point would be to be able to keep Olynyk and sign a max. To do that, you will need to drop a big portion of the Bradley cap number. Exact numbers will depend on where the BKN pick ends up (and the final salary cap number), but say its #1 and you stash Yabu, then it has to be 20 or lower. Less exciting to consider trading AB for the #20 this year. May be worth it to roll the dice until next year.
Other factor to consider is that you will already likely have three rookies on the roster (BKN, Zizic and Nader).

Well I was essentially willing to part with Olynyk in my theory. So add in the best possible pick we can acquire for Bradley to this below:

Thomas / Fultz* / Rozier
Hayward / Smart
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Yabusele
Zizic

[smart_celtics]

And in the mid to late first round it would be far less than the 9 million or so that Bradley is set to make.

yeah but I assume that the point would be to be able to keep Olynyk and sign a max. To do that, you will need to drop a big portion of the Bradley cap number. Exact numbers will depend on where the BKN pick ends up (and the final salary cap number), but say its #1 and you stash Yabu, then it has to be 20 or lower. Less exciting to consider trading AB for the #20 this year. May be worth it to roll the dice until next year.
Other factor to consider is that you will already likely have three rookies on the roster (BKN, Zizic and Nader).

Well I was essentially willing to part with Olynyk in my theory. So add in the best possible pick we can acquire for Bradley to this below:

Thomas / Fultz* / Rozier
Hayward / Smart
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Yabusele
Zizic

Sorry. I still don't think Celts would go into next year with so many rookies in their rotation especially their front court. I am thinking more:
Thomas / Smart / Rozier or Jackson
Hayward / Fultz
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Vet MLE / Yabu
Olynyk / Zizic / Vet Min

I don't see Yabu as ready to contribute next year, so would like to get a backup big at the MLE (~$4 mil) signed after we use our cap space. With Hayward signed, I would also assume we play a lot more small ball with Crowder at the 4, Hayward at the 3 and Smart at the 2 (and Brown being able to fill in at any of those slots and maybe Nader too). I would think Rozier or Jackson is heading out the door if we get Fultz.

[TheOGJabroni]

yeah but I assume that the point would be to be able to keep Olynyk and sign a max. To do that, you will need to drop a big portion of the Bradley cap number. Exact numbers will depend on where the BKN pick ends up (and the final salary cap number), but say its #1 and you stash Yabu, then it has to be 20 or lower. Less exciting to consider trading AB for the #20 this year. May be worth it to roll the dice until next year.
Other factor to consider is that you will already likely have three rookies on the roster (BKN, Zizic and Nader).

Well I was essentially willing to part with Olynyk in my theory. So add in the best possible pick we can acquire for Bradley to this below:

Thomas / Fultz* / Rozier
Hayward / Smart
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Yabusele
Zizic

Sorry. I still don't think Celts would go into next year with so many rookies in their rotation especially their front court. I am thinking more:
Thomas / Smart / Rozier or Jackson
Hayward / Fultz
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Vet MLE / Yabu
Olynyk / Zizic / Vet Min

I don't see Yabu as ready to contribute next year, so would like to get a backup big at the MLE (~$4 mil) signed after we use our cap space. With Hayward signed, I would also assume we play a lot more small ball with Crowder at the 4, Hayward at the 3 and Smart at the 2 (and Brown being able to fill in at any of those slots and maybe Nader too). I would think Rozier or Jackson is heading out the door if we get Fultz.

I mean that's basically the same roster I presented except Olynyk is on there instead of a rookie. Problem comes if Olynyk gets offered a contract that Ainge is uncomfortable or literally cannot match.

[smart_celtics]

Well I was essentially willing to part with Olynyk in my theory. So add in the best possible pick we can acquire for Bradley to this below:

Thomas / Fultz* / Rozier
Hayward / Smart
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Yabusele
Zizic

Sorry. I still don't think Celts would go into next year with so many rookies in their rotation especially their front court. I am thinking more:
Thomas / Smart / Rozier or Jackson
Hayward / Fultz
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Vet MLE / Yabu
Olynyk / Zizic / Vet Min

I don't see Yabu as ready to contribute next year, so would like to get a backup big at the MLE (~$4 mil) signed after we use our cap space. With Hayward signed, I would also assume we play a lot more small ball with Crowder at the 4, Hayward at the 3 and Smart at the 2 (and Brown being able to fill in at any of those slots and maybe Nader too). I would think Rozier or Jackson is heading out the door if we get Fultz.

I mean that's basically the same roster I presented except Olynyk is on there instead of a rookie. Problem comes if Olynyk gets offered a contract that Ainge is uncomfortable or literally cannot match.

Well, yes, but I think there would be two rookies in the rotation next year (BKN #1 and Zizic) and that based on how rookies generally can't contribute right away, I would want neither one starting (basically treat them like Jaylen). So since we're losing Amir & Jonas from the front court rotation, I think we would need to keep Kelly and get a vet for MLE rather than push Zizic into starting and rely on Yabu (and another rookie from the new 2017 pick) in the rotation.

I would also assume they could figure out Olynyk's number before July 1st. I am not sure there will be a huge market for big men this year given the tepid trade market this trade deadline.

[Homerclease]

Sorry. I still don't think Celts would go into next year with so many rookies in their rotation especially their front court. I am thinking more:
Thomas / Smart / Rozier or Jackson
Hayward / Fultz
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Vet MLE / Yabu
Olynyk / Zizic / Vet Min

I don't see Yabu as ready to contribute next year, so would like to get a backup big at the MLE (~$4 mil) signed after we use our cap space. With Hayward signed, I would also assume we play a lot more small ball with Crowder at the 4, Hayward at the 3 and Smart at the 2 (and Brown being able to fill in at any of those slots and maybe Nader too). I would think Rozier or Jackson is heading out the door if we get Fultz.

I mean that's basically the same roster I presented except Olynyk is on there instead of a rookie. Problem comes if Olynyk gets offered a contract that Ainge is uncomfortable or literally cannot match.

Well, yes, but I think there would be two rookies in the rotation next year (BKN #1 and Zizic) and that based on how rookies generally can't contribute right away, I would want neither one starting (basically treat them like Jaylen). So since we're losing Amir & Jonas from the front court rotation, I think we would need to keep Kelly and get a vet for MLE rather than push Zizic into starting and rely on Yabu (and another rookie from the new 2017 pick) in the rotation.

I would also assume they could figure out Olynyk's number before July 1st. I am not sure there will be a huge market for big men this year given the tepid trade market this trade deadline.

If they move Bradley for a pick there should be enough room to sign a veteran big man for the vet minimum, obviously we need more concrete numbers to be sure, namely where the Brooklyn pick lands and the over cap number