Hayward Undecided

[TheOGJabroni]

I don't think we got cap space to do this?

If the cap is at least 101 mil, we can field this team and be just under the limit:

Player 2017-18 salary
Avery Bradley $8,808,989.00
Jaylen Brown $4,956,480.00
Jae Crowder $6,796,117.00
Al Horford $27,734,405.00
Terry Rozier $1,988,520.00
Marcus Smart $4,538,020.00
Isaiah Thomas $6,261,395.00
Abdel Nader $815,615.00
Ante Zizic $1,645,200.00
2017 # 1 Pick $7,026,240.00
Gordon Hayward $30,300,000

Thomas / Fultz* / Rozier
Bradley / Smart
Hayward / Brown / Nader
Crowder
Horford / Zizic

I assume we would then try to condense some of our guard/wing depth in a trade for a front court player to pair with Horford. Would be a bonus if we could save some cap space while doing so, in order to bring over Yabu as well. Fill it out with veteran minimum guys from there (hopefully some of our own guys-Johnson, Jerebko, Green). Olynyk is the big missing player here, probably need to trade a guy like Bradley or Crowder & another piece (Rozier?) for future draft picks if we want to retain him. I don't know how likely that is.

Doesn't work, cap factors in 12 roster slots, you'd get whacked with a ghost cap hold putting you over the limit. One of Smart, Bradley or Crowder is likely going to have to go to make it work

Well I mentioned trading wing depth (pretty much players you mentioned). The timing of these moves is important here. If we trade away Crowder for more cap space, then fill his salary with multiple guys (our own guys I mentioned), it could be doable I believe. Definitely no expert though.

[Fencer reregistered]

I don't think we got cap space to do this?

If the cap is at least 101 mil, we can field this team and be just under the limit:

Player 2017-18 salary
Avery Bradley $8,808,989.00
Jaylen Brown $4,956,480.00
Jae Crowder $6,796,117.00
Al Horford $27,734,405.00
Terry Rozier $1,988,520.00
Marcus Smart $4,538,020.00
Isaiah Thomas $6,261,395.00
Abdel Nader $815,615.00
Ante Zizic $1,645,200.00
2017 # 1 Pick $7,026,240.00
Gordon Hayward $30,300,000

Thomas / Fultz* / Rozier
Bradley / Smart
Hayward / Brown / Nader
Crowder
Horford / Zizic

I assume we would then try to condense some of our guard/wing depth in a trade for a front court player to pair with Horford. Would be a bonus if we could save some cap space while doing so, in order to bring over Yabu as well. Fill it out with veteran minimum guys from there (hopefully some of our own guys-Johnson, Jerebko, Green). Olynyk is the big missing player here, probably need to trade a guy like Bradley or Crowder & another piece (Rozier?) for future draft picks if we want to retain him. I don't know how likely that is.

Doesn't work, cap factors in 12 roster slots, you'd get whacked with a ghost cap hold putting you over the limit. One of Smart, Bradley or Crowder is likely going to have to go to make it work

I propose tabling the detailed calculations until we know which spot the draft pick winds up in.

As for who gets shipped out -- that might have a lot to do with whether the draft pick is used on a guard or forward, as well as on whether they come to a quick agreement with Olynyk.

[jmr07019]

If the cap is at least 101 mil, we can field this team and be just under the limit:

Player 2017-18 salary
Avery Bradley $8,808,989.00
Jaylen Brown $4,956,480.00
Jae Crowder $6,796,117.00
Al Horford $27,734,405.00
Terry Rozier $1,988,520.00
Marcus Smart $4,538,020.00
Isaiah Thomas $6,261,395.00
Abdel Nader $815,615.00
Ante Zizic $1,645,200.00
2017 # 1 Pick $7,026,240.00
Gordon Hayward $30,300,000

Thomas / Fultz* / Rozier
Bradley / Smart
Hayward / Brown / Nader
Crowder
Horford / Zizic

I assume we would then try to condense some of our guard/wing depth in a trade for a front court player to pair with Horford. Would be a bonus if we could save some cap space while doing so, in order to bring over Yabu as well. Fill it out with veteran minimum guys from there (hopefully some of our own guys-Johnson, Jerebko, Green). Olynyk is the big missing player here, probably need to trade a guy like Bradley or Crowder & another piece (Rozier?) for future draft picks if we want to retain him. I don't know how likely that is.

Doesn't work, cap factors in 12 roster slots, you'd get whacked with a ghost cap hold putting you over the limit. One of Smart, Bradley or Crowder is likely going to have to go to make it work

Well I mentioned trading wing depth (pretty much players you mentioned). The timing of these moves is important here. If we trade away Crowder for more cap space, then fill his salary with multiple guys (our own guys I mentioned), it could be doable I believe. Definitely no expert though.

Hayward has to take 1 mil less and sign a vet min guy and we're good

[Homerclease]

If the cap is at least 101 mil, we can field this team and be just under the limit:

Player 2017-18 salary
Avery Bradley $8,808,989.00
Jaylen Brown $4,956,480.00
Jae Crowder $6,796,117.00
Al Horford $27,734,405.00
Terry Rozier $1,988,520.00
Marcus Smart $4,538,020.00
Isaiah Thomas $6,261,395.00
Abdel Nader $815,615.00
Ante Zizic $1,645,200.00
2017 # 1 Pick $7,026,240.00
Gordon Hayward $30,300,000

Thomas / Fultz* / Rozier
Bradley / Smart
Hayward / Brown / Nader
Crowder
Horford / Zizic

I assume we would then try to condense some of our guard/wing depth in a trade for a front court player to pair with Horford. Would be a bonus if we could save some cap space while doing so, in order to bring over Yabu as well. Fill it out with veteran minimum guys from there (hopefully some of our own guys-Johnson, Jerebko, Green). Olynyk is the big missing player here, probably need to trade a guy like Bradley or Crowder & another piece (Rozier?) for future draft picks if we want to retain him. I don't know how likely that is.

Doesn't work, cap factors in 12 roster slots, you'd get whacked with a ghost cap hold putting you over the limit. One of Smart, Bradley or Crowder is likely going to have to go to make it work

Well I mentioned trading wing depth (pretty much players you mentioned). The timing of these moves is important here. If we trade away Crowder for more cap space, then fill his salary with multiple guys (our own guys I mentioned), it could be doable I believe. Definitely no expert though.

I think Smart or Bradley are the most likely to go. Both due for a pay raise in a years time and both lack the size of a Crowder or Brown as well. Before this series I would've bet my money on Bradley being the one to go but with the emergence of Rozier this playoffs I'm starting to really question if the Celtics look to move on from Smart.

I know they love him and they love all the intangibles that he brings but the fact is his ceiling is extremely limited on offense and if you couple that with his impending free agency, you have to question if the Celtics feel they can't duplicate his minutes with a combination of Fultz and Rozier. Of course this changes if the Celtics come in at 3 or 4 in the lottery. That puts us in Jackson/Tatum land and in that scenario I could certainly see Crowder being moved

[TheOGJabroni]

If the cap is at least 101 mil, we can field this team and be just under the limit:

Player 2017-18 salary
Avery Bradley $8,808,989.00
Jaylen Brown $4,956,480.00
Jae Crowder $6,796,117.00
Al Horford $27,734,405.00
Terry Rozier $1,988,520.00
Marcus Smart $4,538,020.00
Isaiah Thomas $6,261,395.00
Abdel Nader $815,615.00
Ante Zizic $1,645,200.00
2017 # 1 Pick $7,026,240.00
Gordon Hayward $30,300,000

Thomas / Fultz* / Rozier
Bradley / Smart
Hayward / Brown / Nader
Crowder
Horford / Zizic

I assume we would then try to condense some of our guard/wing depth in a trade for a front court player to pair with Horford. Would be a bonus if we could save some cap space while doing so, in order to bring over Yabu as well. Fill it out with veteran minimum guys from there (hopefully some of our own guys-Johnson, Jerebko, Green). Olynyk is the big missing player here, probably need to trade a guy like Bradley or Crowder & another piece (Rozier?) for future draft picks if we want to retain him. I don't know how likely that is.

Doesn't work, cap factors in 12 roster slots, you'd get whacked with a ghost cap hold putting you over the limit. One of Smart, Bradley or Crowder is likely going to have to go to make it work

I propose tabling the detailed calculations until we know which spot the draft pick winds up in.

As for who gets shipped out -- that might have a lot to do with whether the draft pick is used on a guard or forward, as well as on whether they come to a quick agreement with Olynyk.

Agreed on the calculations piece, my original response is more planning for "worst case scenario" in terms of salary space. Obviously we want this scenario though

[Banks2Pierce]

Doesn't work, cap factors in 12 roster slots, you'd get whacked with a ghost cap hold putting you over the limit. One of Smart, Bradley or Crowder is likely going to have to go to make it work

I think if you just move Rozier for a pick and keep Guerschon out another year, you get within $1mil and Hayward isn't overlooking us over 1mil.

[Homerclease]

Doesn't work, cap factors in 12 roster slots, you'd get whacked with a ghost cap hold putting you over the limit. One of Smart, Bradley or Crowder is likely going to have to go to make it work

I think if you just move Rozier for a pick and keep Guerschon out another year, you get within $1mil and Hayward isn't overlooking us over 1mil.

You still need a minimum 12 players on the roster. It's razor thin if you do it that way and I'm still not sure on the exact math. We'd also have to draft and stash in the early second with the wolves pick and likely sell off the late seconds we currently have. If they were to move Smart for a future pick and clear off his 4.5 million, they could make it fit fairly easily

[Banks2Pierce]

You still need a minimum 12 players on the roster.

I have included the hold charges.

[Homerclease]

You still need a minimum 12 players on the roster.

I have included the hold charges.

KO and Jerebko are free agents and they would have to renounce Zeller to open up space to begin with.

[Gant]

Hayward will listen and the Celtics have a great sales pitch for him. There are still many unknowns, the next being the lottery.

There's no way of getting deeper into specifics until the draft order is known. Cap management, stash decisions, roster balancing, trades to stand alone, and trades to entice a free agent signing will all be influenced by that lottery.

After the lottery things still will be very complex, but the #1 pick is a different path from the #4 pick.

[robdog_5]

They will have to deal Crowder, Smart or Bradley to get the space they need. Plus it will only make sense considering the back load at Wings we would have.

[ddb]

They will have to deal Crowder, Smart or Bradley to get the space they need. Plus it will only make sense considering the back load at Wings we would have.

That's why going all in for a stud big to help Horford makes sense, especially if Hayward is on the cards.

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[watsonthedragon]

They will have to deal Crowder, Smart or Bradley to get the space they need. Plus it will only make sense considering the back load at Wings we would have.

That's why going all in for a stud big to help Horford makes sense, especially if Hayward is on the cards.

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What bigs are out there that you're thinking of? I guess Griffin but those injuries concern me. But I agree, a starting 5 of IT-AB-Hayward-Griffin-Horford looks formidable when healthy...

[ddb]

They will have to deal Crowder, Smart or Bradley to get the space they need. Plus it will only make sense considering the back load at Wings we would have.

That's why going all in for a stud big to help Horford makes sense, especially if Hayward is on the cards.

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What bigs are out there that you're thinking of? I guess Griffin but those injuries concern me. But I agree, a starting 5 of IT-AB-Hayward-Griffin-Horford looks formidable when healthy...

you're not getting Hayward & Griffin together. It would be 1 or the other, plus a trade for player X (unknown)

[GoCeltics123]

That's why going all in for a stud big to help Horford makes sense, especially if Hayward is on the cards.

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What bigs are out there that you're thinking of? I guess Griffin but those injuries concern me. But I agree, a starting 5 of IT-AB-Hayward-Griffin-Horford looks formidable when healthy...

you're not getting Hayward & Griffin together. It would be 1 or the other, plus a trade for player X (unknown)

Porzingis?

One can dream

[Slartibartfast]

Doesn't work, cap factors in 12 roster slots, you'd get whacked with a ghost cap hold putting you over the limit. One of Smart, Bradley or Crowder is likely going to have to go to make it work

I think if you just move Rozier for a pick and keep Guerschon out another year, you get within $1mil and Hayward isn't overlooking us over 1mil.

Isn't it more like $3 or $4 mil when you factor in years and raises?

[Taget]

Well, LBJ took less money to play with his buddies. Maybe he takes less to play with his coach.

He also got some rings, went to a big media market, and upped his already stratospheric media value. I'm sure LBJ didn't lose a dime with the move.

Gordon Haywood would not in Boston either. In fact much more so than Lebron who was already a marketing goldmine even before going to Miami. In Utah Gordon is a local hero but someone only really known to basketball diehards elsewhere. Go to a bigger market to a historic team with a legacy and start competing for a championship? Then everyone will know his name. Including and especially advertisers who offer him more lucrative endorsement deals.

Now is Boston as big as say LA or Miami? No. We are already familiar with that built in disadvantage we have. As well as of course the weather. But we're a team that gets and receives national attention in the 8th largest media market with fans across New England and the country. He'll get his money. The question is how and where.

[165bows]

Doesn't work, cap factors in 12 roster slots, you'd get whacked with a ghost cap hold putting you over the limit. One of Smart, Bradley or Crowder is likely going to have to go to make it work

I think if you just move Rozier for a pick and keep Guerschon out another year, you get within $1mil and Hayward isn't overlooking us over 1mil.

Isn't it more like $3 or $4 mil when you factor in years and raises?

Where is the discrepancy in these numbers? It looks like three cap holds are included there.

Based on that, it looks like they could likely afford him with a non #1 overall pick and no Rozier (including dumping Mickey on someone).

[jmr07019]

Just have him sign for less than the max! Lol really though. I would pitch to him 25/year and then try and get IT so sign for 25/year and Bradley to sign for 18/year. It's his best shot at a title and he'll make plenty of money

[Slax]

Isn't it more like $3 or $4 mil when you factor in years and raises?

Where is the discrepancy in these numbers? It looks like three cap holds are included there.

Based on that, it looks like they could likely afford him with a non #1 overall pick and no Rozier (including dumping Mickey on someone).

I think Slart wasn't questioning that the numbers add up, but was instead saying that giving up $1M in starting base salary would translate to several million over the course of a four year contract.