Is jaylen Brown becoming untouchable in the offseason?

KGboss · Post #81 » by **KGboss** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:32 pm

He wasn't already?

I mean unless it's Anthony Davis, Durant, or curry I'm not trading brown or Tatum.

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CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #82 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:45 pm

Larry Legend 33 wrote:
Scoonie wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Could Jaylen's ambition and drive be a double-edged sword? Love that he works hard and wants to be one of the best players in the league. However, what happens when he's due for a contract?

Al Horford's contract will be off the books by the time Jaylen needs a new contract. Long-term, the Celtics will likely be able to keep 3 out of 4 of Kyrie, Jaylen, Tatum, and Hayward. Gordon Hayward is the oldest of the group, so it's a possibility that he could be gone after his contract ends in 2021.

Obviously, a lot will play out between now and we'll see which guys perform the best over these next three seasons.

Yeah, Horford comes off the books when Jaylen is up for an extension and Hayward comes off the books when Tatum is up for an extension. If the older guys want to stick around on cheap, team friendly deals then great. But the way things look right now I'd have no hesitation letting them walk to keep the young studs.

My fear isn't related to money. We have his Bird rights and Wyc's pockets are deep enough to pay everyone plus the tax. My concern is, will Jaylen want more touches and a bigger role? He works hard, so will he be satisfied being the 4th option?

Edug27 · Post #83 » by **Edug27** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:51 pm

Not many players are untouchable. But it'll be hard to justify moving him unless you have another player coming back who makes us a clear favorite.

Post #84 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:19 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Larry Legend 33 wrote:
Scoonie wrote:
Al Horford's contract will be off the books by the time Jaylen needs a new contract. Long-term, the Celtics will likely be able to keep 3 out of 4 of Kyrie, Jaylen, Tatum, and Hayward. Gordon Hayward is the oldest of the group, so it's a possibility that he could be gone after his contract ends in 2021.

Obviously, a lot will play out between now and we'll see which guys perform the best over these next three seasons.

Yeah, Horford comes off the books when Jaylen is up for an extension and Hayward comes off the books when Tatum is up for an extension. If the older guys want to stick around on cheap, team friendly deals then great. But the way things look right now I'd have no hesitation letting them walk to keep the young studs.

My fear isn't related to money. We have his Bird rights and Wyc's pockets are deep enough to pay everyone plus the tax. My concern is, will Jaylen want more touches and a bigger role? He works hard, so will he be satisfied being the 4th option?

Ive worried about that too. Im wondering if next year that Hayward, Brown and Tatum all serve as the #2 option, with the guys rotating depending upon whos hot.

I could see all 3 averaging between 16-18 PPG next year with Kyrie taking a small step back and Horford taking a more moderate step back.

Ben-N1ce · Post #85 » by **Ben-N1ce** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:20 pm

He has improved a lot. His FT's are even better . It appears he knows he was missing short. Rather be long and give yourself a chance. Last month 75% from the line this month 90% so far :nod:

Handles all summer please !!!

thelarrybirdx · Post #86 » by **thelarrybirdx** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:32 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Larry Legend 33 wrote:
Scoonie wrote:
Al Horford's contract will be off the books by the time Jaylen needs a new contract. Long-term, the Celtics will likely be able to keep 3 out of 4 of Kyrie, Jaylen, Tatum, and Hayward. Gordon Hayward is the oldest of the group, so it's a possibility that he could be gone after his contract ends in 2021.

Obviously, a lot will play out between now and we'll see which guys perform the best over these next three seasons.

Yeah, Horford comes off the books when Jaylen is up for an extension and Hayward comes off the books when Tatum is up for an extension. If the older guys want to stick around on cheap, team friendly deals then great. But the way things look right now I'd have no hesitation letting them walk to keep the young studs.

My fear isn't related to money. We have his Bird rights and Wyc's pockets are deep enough to pay everyone plus the tax. My concern is, will Jaylen want more touches and a bigger role? He works hard, so will he be satisfied being the 4th option?

Jaylen doesn't strike me as the type of person that would care about this.

jordb2k7 · Post #87 » by **jordb2k7** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:40 pm

thelarrybirdx wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Larry Legend 33 wrote:
Yeah, Horford comes off the books when Jaylen is up for an extension and Hayward comes off the books when Tatum is up for an extension. If the older guys want to stick around on cheap, team friendly deals then great. But the way things look right now I'd have no hesitation letting them walk to keep the young studs.

My fear isn't related to money. We have his Bird rights and Wyc's pockets are deep enough to pay everyone plus the tax. My concern is, will Jaylen want more touches and a bigger role? He works hard, so will he be satisfied being the 4th option?

Jaylen doesn't strike me as the type of person that would care about this.

Yeah I think he wants to win, and in this era teams have to be stacked. Hard to imagine another situation looking better than ours for him.

cloverleaf · Post #88 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:45 pm

thelarrybirdx wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Larry Legend 33 wrote:
Yeah, Horford comes off the books when Jaylen is up for an extension and Hayward comes off the books when Tatum is up for an extension. If the older guys want to stick around on cheap, team friendly deals then great. But the way things look right now I'd have no hesitation letting them walk to keep the young studs.

My fear isn't related to money. We have his Bird rights and Wyc's pockets are deep enough to pay everyone plus the tax. My concern is, will Jaylen want more touches and a bigger role? He works hard, so will he be satisfied being the 4th option?

Jaylen doesn't strike me as the type of person that would care about this.

Yeah, if we could just convince Smart to be happy as the 8th option...

jmr07019 · Post #89 » by **jmr07019** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:45 pm

Jaylen will be a restricted FA. Can't leave if he wanted to. He's not going to turn down 100 million guaranteed to take the 8-10 million dollar QO.

PierceFan4ever · Post #90 » by **PierceFan4ever** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:07 pm

He’s only untouchable unless realistically Anthony Davis is on the table. I’m a little worried about the Kawhi thing so imo I would be a little hesitant in moving Brown and other pieces for him. I see future all star written for him or higher imo. His work ethic and him wanting to be great gives me confidence. Remember this is a kid just 2 years ago who was supposed to be super raw yet he’s made huge strides since he came into the league.

Scoonie · Post #91 » by **Scoonie** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:12 pm

Larry Legend 33 wrote:Yeah, Horford comes off the books when Jaylen is up for an extension and Hayward comes off the books when Tatum is up for an extension.

The timing works out perfectly. It will be interesting to see what level Gordon Hayward is playing at during that last year of his contract.

And I'm sure the Celtics owners will be fine paying the luxury tax for many years.

pac213up · Post #92 » by **pac213up** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:15 pm

There is a very small list of players worth trading him for at this point.

springcadre · Post #93 » by **springcadre** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:28 pm

I’d sell anyone but Tatum and Kyrie to get AD, I think that automatically would make us a perennial contender. Otherwise I’m cool with what we’ve got.

TheSheriff · Post #94 » by **TheSheriff** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:55 pm

pac213up wrote:There is a very small list of players worth trading him for at this point.

Yeah. There are players I’d trade him for, but most,if not all, will never be traded.

I would trade him for Anthony Davis.

Moose23 · Post #95 » by **Moose23** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:02 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Could Jaylen's ambition and drive be a double-edged sword? Love that he works hard and wants to be one of the best players in the league. However, what happens when he's due for a contract? He's not going to usurp Kyrie as the guy on this team, and it looks like Tatum will probably get more touches when he develops. The pecking order for the next few years will be Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum/Brown assuming we keep everyone. Will Jaylen's drive make him want to explore what it will be like to have a bigger role? Something for us to keep an eye on.

Why are we assuming Tatum will be higher in the pecking order?

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CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #96 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:12 pm

Moose23 wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Could Jaylen's ambition and drive be a double-edged sword? Love that he works hard and wants to be one of the best players in the league. However, what happens when he's due for a contract? He's not going to usurp Kyrie as the guy on this team, and it looks like Tatum will probably get more touches when he develops. The pecking order for the next few years will be Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum/Brown assuming we keep everyone. Will Jaylen's drive make him want to explore what it will be like to have a bigger role? Something for us to keep an eye on.
Why are we assuming Tatum will be higher in the pecking order?

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Because he's a better shooter and ball-handler.

Gomes3PC · Post #97 » by **Gomes3PC** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:22 pm

Unless your name is LeBron, Steph, KD or AD, you are not untouchable. Jaylen is a terrific talent though and should someone like AD or Kawhi come to market, he gives us credible ammo to make a big move. I don't like thinking of him purely as an asset, and odds are we never get to swing that big deal for a true top-8 talent, but even if that doesn't happen he looks to be a future borderline All Star at the scarcest position in the NBA.

Moose23 · Post #98 » by **Moose23** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:39 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Moose23 wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:Could Jaylen's ambition and drive be a double-edged sword? Love that he works hard and wants to be one of the best players in the league. However, what happens when he's due for a contract? He's not going to usurp Kyrie as the guy on this team, and it looks like Tatum will probably get more touches when he develops. The pecking order for the next few years will be Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum/Brown assuming we keep everyone. Will Jaylen's drive make him want to explore what it will be like to have a bigger role? Something for us to keep an eye on.
Why are we assuming Tatum will be higher in the pecking order?

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Because he's a better shooter and ball-handler.

Jaylen is a better defender and better at finishing through contact.

3D Chess · Post #99 » by **3D Chess** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:05 pm

You don't allocate shots on defense bro beans. Draymond is the best defender on GSW... still the 4th option.

Slax · Post #100 » by **Slax** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:21 pm

jmr07019 wrote:Jaylen will be a restricted FA. Can't leave if he wanted to. He's not going to turn down 100 million guaranteed to take the 8-10 million dollar QO.

Yeah it's way too soon to worry over whether or not Brown will want to sign with another team six years from now. Six years ago, our starting shooting guard was Ray Allen, and we were on our way to an ECF against the Heat.