Kawhi update thread 2.0

[SparringPartner]

to say this but its the truth: we can't trade Gordon, it will harm our relationship with Brad too much. He won't be understanding. At all.

Only the Celtics relationship with Brad or every player in the NBA? Gordon left a good situation and dollars on the table with Utah. We then ship him out after a devastating injury one year later. You are correct G20 won't be traded, but it's for reasons other than just Brad Stevens.

[K For Three]

I just feel that bringing in Kawhi and losing Kyrie doesn’t make us that much stronger or closer to Golden State tbh.

It really does, though. I love Kyrie, but he's not on the same level as Kawhi.

Kawhi can arguably at times (if he is still the same guy) be the best player in the league or in the top group.

But the point also is to PAIR Kawhi with Irving and top notch talent too. Not sure why this is so difficult to grasp.

Celtics still don't win it all with adding Leonard and losing Irving. You might get a little bit better but the roster seems incomplete to me in terms of balance.

[RickyDizzle]

I think with Gordon coming back we already have a glut at the wing, hard to get enough minutes for Brown, Hayward, and Tatum unless they take up most of the minutes 2 through 4... then there's not much time for Terry and Smart to get some of theirs at the two, plus you have Morris and Horford usually plays some 4 if Theis or Baynes are on the floor.

Trading Kyrie for Leonard only makes this a million times worse. You would be decreasing available wing minutes further and basically increasing Smart and Rozier's minutes. Who is the PG? Rozier? Then one of Brown, Hayward, Tatum or Leonard comes off the bench. I think Leonard is a great player, but trading Kyrie for him makes no sense.

I think Kyrie will sign a giant extension after this year. Keep the team as is and add Kyrie and Hayward. Or if you can add Leonard for Brown and Rozier and resign Smart, then fine there are enough minutes to go around, but I am not sure that really makes the team that much better.

Dizzy

[Smog]

I just feel that bringing in Kawhi and losing Kyrie doesn’t make us that much stronger or closer to Golden State tbh.

It really does, though. I love Kyrie, but he's not on the same level as Kawhi.

Kawhi can arguably at times (if he is still the same guy) be the best player in the league or in the top group.

But the point also is to PAIR Kawhi with Irving and top notch talent too. Not sure why this is so difficult to grasp.

Celtics still don't win it all with adding Leonard and losing Irving. You might get a little bit better but the roster seems incomplete to me in terms of balance.

Celtics can win it all with the group they have. Leonard’s a great player but they can’t break up a contender - one the city loves and is dying to see play next year - for an injured guy with a year on his contract who just sat out a season.

[Tai]

To follow up from previous thread:

1. To be frank, you’ve missed my point entirely.

2. To be frank, because I post something you disagree with doesn’t make my posts something that belongs on the GB

3. To be frank, maybe you spend too much time on the GB yourself.

4. To be frank, if you want to have an actual discussion fine, otherwise go F yourself

You may be right about my time on the GB.

That said, as far as an actual discussion, I think what I said on what we'd have to give up is fair, and you simply chose not to respond to it, so I'll lay it out this way:

1) Who is sincerely beating a deal revolved around Brown/Rozier/Morris/filler/combination of picks? Again, MAYBE Saric/Covington/#10 can compete, or at least the Celtics force the Sixers to include Fultz (who again, do Spurs really want him)?

2) To reply to what you mentioned in another post, why would the Spurs make negotiations more painful for the Celtics than say, the Lakers? By trading to the Celtics, the Spurs get Kawhi out of conference, and if I'm to believe what I read on the GB's topic on Kawhi, supposedly the Spurs just don't love the Lakers in general. Woj said on SVG's SportsCenter hour that Lonzo to the Spurs probably isn't a great fit, so perhaps the Spurs make the Lakers give up someone else they wouldn't want to? If the Spurs were in the East maybe you'd possibly have a point, but if the Celtics can give the best deal and it wouldn't have to include Tatum, why would the Spurs say no if it means they don't have to deal with the Lakers?

1. I don’t think Ainge is going to include both Brown and the kings pick. JMO but he doesn’t overpay in trades and given the situation and Kawhi being a flight risk, this isn’t an all in situation. The sixers are more desperate than the Celtics are.

2. They are going to make negotiations difficult on everyone because they are a quality front office. If the Celtics include Tatum it’s a wrap. They won’t, and I don’t think they shove all the rest of the chips in the table either. Someone is going to outbid them and my money is on Philly

I can see Danny staring with the Memphis/C's own pick instead of the Kings pick, I think it's fair that he may not start with the Kings pick right away. I was unaware that your assumption was that Danny doesn't even offer the Kings pick.

That said tho, I'm all for a firm commitment from Kawhi before I even come to the table with anything. I don't get the logic of it being easier to trade Kyrie or Hayward for Kawhi that others have come up with if Kawhi just leaves in a year; I don't buy that Kyrie's as much of a flight risk as Kawhi (for the Knicks? ) , and Hayward ****ing signed here long term and we're gonna trade him for a guy who supposedly may not want to be here? What? For the most part, I've always assumed any trade meant we ultimately got Kawhi long-term, and I'm not sure there's any other way to really go about it.

Which leads me to the Sixers; why do you believe they're so desperate unless they know for sure Kawhi will stay? Honestly, they don't even have a GM as of now so I don't know who would step in as interim, but they have a bright future too, are they really gonna blow their load for one year of Kawhi and possibly be left with nothing later? I dunno man, it seems like an even further stretch for them than us.

[Parliament10]

Hayward has become criminally underrated on these forums over the past year. He’s a far superior player to Tatum and Brown at this point.

I gotta Agree with that.
Last year (2016-17) Hayward was .471 FG% -- .398 3P% -- .844 FT%

But it makes no sense from a roster stand point either to add Leonard to the team and lose Irving and weaken at guard considerably (could still lose Smart as well) and then have all these tall dudes who have to share the ball out there.

Also, Danny absolutely LOVES Kyrie Irving's game. Ever since he was like 17/18. He gave up the Nets pick for him. I think it's going to take something pretty drastic for Danny to move Irving. I just don't see it and all this fan and media stuff happening.

I will eat major major crow and be pretty let down if Kyrie was moved but I really doubt it happens.

Oh I Agree with NOT Trading Kyrie.

Brown, Morris, Monroe (S&T), Rozier, Picks = Kawhi.

Irving
Kawhi
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

[Homerclease]

To follow up from previous thread:



You may be right about my time on the GB.

That said, as far as an actual discussion, I think what I said on what we'd have to give up is fair, and you simply chose not to respond to it, so I'll lay it out this way:

1) Who is sincerely beating a deal revolved around Brown/Rozier/Morris/filler/combination of picks? Again, MAYBE Saric/Covington/#10 can compete, or at least the Celtics force the Sixers to include Fultz (who again, do Spurs really want him)?

2) To reply to what you mentioned in another post, why would the Spurs make negotiations more painful for the Celtics than say, the Lakers? By trading to the Celtics, the Spurs get Kawhi out of conference, and if I'm to believe what I read on the GB's topic on Kawhi, supposedly the Spurs just don't love the Lakers in general. Woj said on SVG's SportsCenter hour that Lonzo to the Spurs probably isn't a great fit, so perhaps the Spurs make the Lakers give up someone else they wouldn't want to? If the Spurs were in the East maybe you'd possibly have a point, but if the Celtics can give the best deal and it wouldn't have to include Tatum, why would the Spurs say no if it means they don't have to deal with the Lakers?

1. I don’t think Ainge is going to include both Brown and the kings pick. JMO but he doesn’t overpay in trades and given the situation and Kawhi being a flight risk, this isn’t an all in situation. The sixers are more desperate than the Celtics are.

2. They are going to make negotiations difficult on everyone because they are a quality front office. If the Celtics include Tatum it’s a wrap. They won’t, and I don’t think they shove all the rest of the chips in the table either. Someone is going to outbid them and my money is on Philly

I can see Danny staring with the Memphis/C's own pick instead of the Kings pick, I think it's fair that he may not start with the Kings pick right away. I was unaware that your assumption was that Danny doesn't even offer the Kings pick.

That said tho, I'm all for a firm commitment from Kawhi before I even come to the table with anything. I don't get the logic of it being easier to trade Kyrie or Hayward for Kawhi that others have come up with if Kawhi just leaves in a year; I don't buy that Kyrie's as much of a flight risk as Kawhi (for the Knicks? ) , and Hayward ****ing signed here long term and we're gonna trade him for a guy who supposedly may not want to be here? What? For the most part, I've always assumed any trade meant we ultimately got Kawhi long-term, and I'm not sure there's any other way to really go about it.

Which leads me to the Sixers; why do you believe they're so desperate unless they know for sure Kawhi will stay? Honestly, they don't even have a GM as of now so I don't know who would step in as interim, but they have a bright future too, are they really gonna blow their load for one year of Kawhi and possibly be left with nothing later? I dunno man, it seems like an even further stretch for them than us.

They lost 4-1 to us without Kyrie and Hayward. They know how much ground they need to make up and they aren’t getting Lebron. Yeah I think they are that desperate. They have the cap room and the assets to make a deal, time is now for them

[Valid]

I just feel that bringing in Kawhi and losing Kyrie doesn’t make us that much stronger or closer to Golden State tbh.

It really does, though. I love Kyrie, but he's not on the same level as Kawhi.

Kawhi can arguably at times (if he is still the same guy) be the best player in the league or in the top group.

But the point also is to PAIR Kawhi with Irving and top notch talent too. Not sure why this is so difficult to grasp.

Celtics still don't win it all with adding Leonard and losing Irving. You might get a little bit better but the roster seems incomplete to me in terms of balance.

We can win it all with this current group, so we can unquestionably win it all if we swap Irving with Kawhi. I understand your concerns about roster balance, but let's remember that Hayward can essentially run point in the starting lineup. That team would also be unstoppable defensively.

It's not happening, though, so the point is moot.

[Tai]

1. I don’t think Ainge is going to include both Brown and the kings pick. JMO but he doesn’t overpay in trades and given the situation and Kawhi being a flight risk, this isn’t an all in situation. The sixers are more desperate than the Celtics are.

2. They are going to make negotiations difficult on everyone because they are a quality front office. If the Celtics include Tatum it’s a wrap. They won’t, and I don’t think they shove all the rest of the chips in the table either. Someone is going to outbid them and my money is on Philly

I can see Danny staring with the Memphis/C's own pick instead of the Kings pick, I think it's fair that he may not start with the Kings pick right away. I was unaware that your assumption was that Danny doesn't even offer the Kings pick.

That said tho, I'm all for a firm commitment from Kawhi before I even come to the table with anything. I don't get the logic of it being easier to trade Kyrie or Hayward for Kawhi that others have come up with if Kawhi just leaves in a year; I don't buy that Kyrie's as much of a flight risk as Kawhi (for the Knicks? ) , and Hayward ****ing signed here long term and we're gonna trade him for a guy who supposedly may not want to be here? What? For the most part, I've always assumed any trade meant we ultimately got Kawhi long-term, and I'm not sure there's any other way to really go about it.

Which leads me to the Sixers; why do you believe they're so desperate unless they know for sure Kawhi will stay? Honestly, they don't even have a GM as of now so I don't know who would step in as interim, but they have a bright future too, are they really gonna blow their load for one year of Kawhi and possibly be left with nothing later? I dunno man, it seems like an even further stretch for them than us.

They lost 4-1 to us without Kyrie and Hayward. They know how much ground they need to make up and they aren’t getting Lebron. Yeah I think they are that desperate. They have the cap room and the assets to make a deal, time is now for them

Hmm, I was wondering if you were gonna come with Lebron + Kawhi possibly playing in Philly. I mean, to your point we beat them without Kyrie and Hayward, we get them back plus a more seasoned Tatum and Brown. Kawhi/Simmons/Embiid is a solid trio, but is that beating a healthy Celtics in a 7 game series either? And then if they lose, Kawhi just leaves for LA after all?

I mean honestly, I'd be all for it if that's how it plays out, but I don't see how it ends well for the Sixers.

[Valid]

What assets does Philly even have? Fultz? Unless they decide to trade Simmons (and they won't), they can't even come close to topping what we can offer San Antonio.

[Homerclease]

I can see Danny staring with the Memphis/C's own pick instead of the Kings pick, I think it's fair that he may not start with the Kings pick right away. I was unaware that your assumption was that Danny doesn't even offer the Kings pick.

That said tho, I'm all for a firm commitment from Kawhi before I even come to the table with anything. I don't get the logic of it being easier to trade Kyrie or Hayward for Kawhi that others have come up with if Kawhi just leaves in a year; I don't buy that Kyrie's as much of a flight risk as Kawhi (for the Knicks? ) , and Hayward ****ing signed here long term and we're gonna trade him for a guy who supposedly may not want to be here? What? For the most part, I've always assumed any trade meant we ultimately got Kawhi long-term, and I'm not sure there's any other way to really go about it.

Which leads me to the Sixers; why do you believe they're so desperate unless they know for sure Kawhi will stay? Honestly, they don't even have a GM as of now so I don't know who would step in as interim, but they have a bright future too, are they really gonna blow their load for one year of Kawhi and possibly be left with nothing later? I dunno man, it seems like an even further stretch for them than us.

They lost 4-1 to us without Kyrie and Hayward. They know how much ground they need to make up and they aren’t getting Lebron. Yeah I think they are that desperate. They have the cap room and the assets to make a deal, time is now for them

Hmm, I was wondering if you were gonna come with Lebron + Kawhi possibly playing in Philly. I mean, to your point we beat them without Kyrie and Hayward, we get them back plus a more seasoned Tatum and Brown. Kawhi/Simmons/Embiid is a solid trio, but is that beating a healthy Celtics in a 7 game series either? And then if they lose, Kawhi just leaves for LA after all?

I mean honestly, I'd be all for it if that's how it plays out, but I don't see how it ends well for the Sixers.

We slaughtered them on the wings in mismatches without Hayward. They were overmatched against Tatum and Brown. Who better to add than Kawhi? They need a third guy to go with Embiid and Simmons and they need another guy that can carry the offense cause Simmons clearly can’t. Standing pat isn’t an option for them IMO. They are out gunned against us and they know it. They have a chance to add a top 5 player to their core right now and compete. Celtics are already title contenders without Kawhi IMO

[Homerclease]

What assets does Philly even have? Fultz? Unless they decide to trade Simmons (and they won't), they can't even come close to topping what we can offer San Antonio.

Once again you’re assuming we put all our chips on the table. I’m skeptical we do that given the cap situation and flight risk with Kawhi. Philly can offer a Saric/Covington/10 package and add on from there if they choose. They can either add an elite wing now or watch Tatum, Hayward and Brown decimate them for the next 4 seasons

[Valid]

What assets does Philly even have? Fultz? Unless they decide to trade Simmons (and they won't), they can't even come close to topping what we can offer San Antonio.

Once again you’re assuming we put all our chips on the table. I’m skeptical we do that given the cap situation and flight risk with Kawhi. Philly can offer a Saric/Covington/10 package and add on from there if they choose. They can either add an elite wing now or watch Tatum, Hayward and Brown decimate them for the next 4 seasons

Covington has very little value. He is essentially Jae Crowder; a decent three-and-D guy who gets exposed against stronger competition.

If we won't outbid Philly, the Lakers will.

[Homerclease]

What assets does Philly even have? Fultz? Unless they decide to trade Simmons (and they won't), they can't even come close to topping what we can offer San Antonio.

Once again you’re assuming we put all our chips on the table. I’m skeptical we do that given the cap situation and flight risk with Kawhi. Philly can offer a Saric/Covington/10 package and add on from there if they choose. They can either add an elite wing now or watch Tatum, Hayward and Brown decimate them for the next 4 seasons

Covington has very little value. He is essentially Jae Crowder; a decent three-and-D guy who gets exposed against stronger competition.

If we won't outbid Philly, the Lakers will.

They might, but I also don’t think they deal Kawhi in conference. See pops quotes on the Pau Gasol trade

[kuclas]

I can see Danny staring with the Memphis/C's own pick instead of the Kings pick, I think it's fair that he may not start with the Kings pick right away. I was unaware that your assumption was that Danny doesn't even offer the Kings pick.

That said tho, I'm all for a firm commitment from Kawhi before I even come to the table with anything. I don't get the logic of it being easier to trade Kyrie or Hayward for Kawhi that others have come up with if Kawhi just leaves in a year; I don't buy that Kyrie's as much of a flight risk as Kawhi (for the Knicks? ) , and Hayward ****ing signed here long term and we're gonna trade him for a guy who supposedly may not want to be here? What? For the most part, I've always assumed any trade meant we ultimately got Kawhi long-term, and I'm not sure there's any other way to really go about it.

Which leads me to the Sixers; why do you believe they're so desperate unless they know for sure Kawhi will stay? Honestly, they don't even have a GM as of now so I don't know who would step in as interim, but they have a bright future too, are they really gonna blow their load for one year of Kawhi and possibly be left with nothing later? I dunno man, it seems like an even further stretch for them than us.

They lost 4-1 to us without Kyrie and Hayward. They know how much ground they need to make up and they aren’t getting Lebron. Yeah I think they are that desperate. They have the cap room and the assets to make a deal, time is now for them

Hmm, I was wondering if you were gonna come with Lebron + Kawhi possibly playing in Philly. I mean, to your point we beat them without Kyrie and Hayward, we get them back plus a more seasoned Tatum and Brown. Kawhi/Simmons/Embiid is a solid trio, but is that beating a healthy Celtics in a 7 game series either? And then if they lose, Kawhi just leaves for LA after all?

I mean honestly, I'd be all for it if that's how it plays out, but I don't see how it ends well for the Sixers.

Sixers didn’t execute down the stretch in 3 of those losses. It’s not like Boston was superior in talent to sixers 4-1. Like a normal 4-1 series where the superior team with better talent wins. Say Houston 4-1 over Minnesota. Or Golden state 4-1 over New Orleans. Sixers simply blew those playoff games. Vs New Orleans and Minnesota were not even competive in their 4-1 series.

Anyways. Sixers don’t have a gm. And wont over pay for Leonard either especially with Colangelo being gone. Especially with Leonard being a one year rental without a commitment and not showing he’s fully healthy.

I don’t think ainge with overpay for Leonard. He’s gonna to offer as little as he can.

Than it becomes a situation like kyrie getting traded with Cleveland. Cleveland couldn’t trade kyrie to other teams and with disgruntled kyrie. They felt they had to do something and took Boston offer. Which I thought was a bad offer knowing full well IT was injuried and nets pick being unknown for 2018.

Same situation with Sacramento pick. Boston fans think it’s worth a lot. Maybe. Maybe not. It likely ends up being 5-10 Range for 2019. Unless that pick is guarantee to be top 3. It frankly isn’t worth a lot. Similar to how Boston fans are laughing that the nets 2018 pick ended up being 8th. And 2019 draft is considered weak. So a Sacramento pick say even at 5 slot isn’t great with a weak 2019 class. Big drop off in talent after top 2-3 players as usual.

[Valid]

Once again you’re assuming we put all our chips on the table. I’m skeptical we do that given the cap situation and flight risk with Kawhi. Philly can offer a Saric/Covington/10 package and add on from there if they choose. They can either add an elite wing now or watch Tatum, Hayward and Brown decimate them for the next 4 seasons

Covington has very little value. He is essentially Jae Crowder; a decent three-and-D guy who gets exposed against stronger competition.

If we won't outbid Philly, the Lakers will.

They might, but I also don’t think they deal Kawhi in conference. See pops quotes on the Pau Gasol trade

Fair enough, but the Spurs also aren't stupid. A deal consisting of two of the three of Ingram/Ball/Kuzma is likely far greater than anything Philly can offer. The Spurs would certainly prefer to ship him East, but if the offer they get from the Lakers far exceeds what they receive from an Eastern Conference team, I have a hard time believing they won't deal him to LA.

I just don't think the 76ers have the chips unless they want to move Simmons.

[Homerclease]

They lost 4-1 to us without Kyrie and Hayward. They know how much ground they need to make up and they aren’t getting Lebron. Yeah I think they are that desperate. They have the cap room and the assets to make a deal, time is now for them

Hmm, I was wondering if you were gonna come with Lebron + Kawhi possibly playing in Philly. I mean, to your point we beat them without Kyrie and Hayward, we get them back plus a more seasoned Tatum and Brown. Kawhi/Simmons/Embiid is a solid trio, but is that beating a healthy Celtics in a 7 game series either? And then if they lose, Kawhi just leaves for LA after all?

I mean honestly, I'd be all for it if that's how it plays out, but I don't see how it ends well for the Sixers.

Sixers didn’t execute down the stretch in 3 of those losses. It’s not like Boston was superior in talent to sixers 4-1. Like a normal 4-1 series where the superior team with better talent wins. Say Houston 4-1 over Minnesota. Or Golden state 4-1 over New Orleans. Sixers simply blew those playoff games. Vs New Orleans and Minnesota were not even competive in their 4-1 series.

Anyways. Sixers don’t have a gm. And wont over pay for Leonard either especially with Colangelo being gone. Especially with Leonard being a one year rental without a commitment and not showing he’s fully healthy.

I don’t think ainge with overpay for Leonard. He’s gonna to offer as little as he can.

Than it becomes a situation like kyrie getting traded with Cleveland. Cleveland couldn’t trade kyrie to other teams and with disgruntled kyrie. They felt they had to do something and took Boston offer. Which I thought was a bad offer knowing full well IT was injuried and nets pick being unknown for 2018.

Same situation with Sacramento pick. Boston fans think it’s worth a lot. Maybe. Maybe not. It likely ends up being 5-10 Range for 2019. Unless that pick is guarantee to be top 3. It frankly isn’t worth a lot. Similar to how Boston fans are laughing that the nets 2018 pick ended up being 8th. And 2019 draft is considered weak. So a Sacramento pick say even at 5 slot isn’t great with a weak 2019 class. Big drop off in talent after top 2-3 players as usual.

Yeah they weren’t superior in talent yet won 4-1 without their two all stars. Lmfao.

And nobody knows a thing about 2019, 2014 was supposed to be strong, 2016 was supposed to be weak and 2018 was supposed to be top heavy. It’s just way too far out to project.

The sixers are 4-5 steps behind the Celtics at the moment with no real way to close the gap other than trading for Kawhi right now. They’d be fools not to

[K For Three]

I can see Danny staring with the Memphis/C's own pick instead of the Kings pick, I think it's fair that he may not start with the Kings pick right away. I was unaware that your assumption was that Danny doesn't even offer the Kings pick.

That said tho, I'm all for a firm commitment from Kawhi before I even come to the table with anything. I don't get the logic of it being easier to trade Kyrie or Hayward for Kawhi that others have come up with if Kawhi just leaves in a year; I don't buy that Kyrie's as much of a flight risk as Kawhi (for the Knicks? ) , and Hayward ****ing signed here long term and we're gonna trade him for a guy who supposedly may not want to be here? What? For the most part, I've always assumed any trade meant we ultimately got Kawhi long-term, and I'm not sure there's any other way to really go about it.

Which leads me to the Sixers; why do you believe they're so desperate unless they know for sure Kawhi will stay? Honestly, they don't even have a GM as of now so I don't know who would step in as interim, but they have a bright future too, are they really gonna blow their load for one year of Kawhi and possibly be left with nothing later? I dunno man, it seems like an even further stretch for them than us.

They lost 4-1 to us without Kyrie and Hayward. They know how much ground they need to make up and they aren’t getting Lebron. Yeah I think they are that desperate. They have the cap room and the assets to make a deal, time is now for them

Hmm, I was wondering if you were gonna come with Lebron + Kawhi possibly playing in Philly. I mean, to your point we beat them without Kyrie and Hayward, we get them back plus a more seasoned Tatum and Brown. Kawhi/Simmons/Embiid is a solid trio, but is that beating a healthy Celtics in a 7 game series either? And then if they lose, Kawhi just leaves for LA after all?

I mean honestly, I'd be all for it if that's how it plays out, but I don't see how it ends well for the Sixers.

Philly needs someone to close games for them. They arguably lost 2 or 3 games in the series vs. Boston since they didn't know how "to close". Their clutch factor was a joke. Philly is the team who really needs to make a power move.

I also have strong doubts on Simmons, can this dude ever learn to shoot? If he can't he is basically not even as good as Lonzo Ball IMO who had some games this year where his shots even rolled in. I actually think Lonzo has some dark horse potential and I hate to admit that out loud, he wasn't that bad after he returned at times from the shoulder injury. The father is what kills that kid.

Speaking of Lonzo, I am kinda hoping the rumors of him ending up in Cleveland happens. Gilbert and the Cavs 100% deserve Daddy Ball.

I sometimes can't believe people really believe that Kyrie only left Cleveland "to be da man!". He left too since Cleveland is an obvious clown car. The sad thing is, we lost to that clown car.......

The only reason Lebron has to be there and is stuck with them so many times in his career is that it's somehow his birthright to be semi owned by the state of Ohio.

[Valid]

They lost 4-1 to us without Kyrie and Hayward. They know how much ground they need to make up and they aren’t getting Lebron. Yeah I think they are that desperate. They have the cap room and the assets to make a deal, time is now for them

Hmm, I was wondering if you were gonna come with Lebron + Kawhi possibly playing in Philly. I mean, to your point we beat them without Kyrie and Hayward, we get them back plus a more seasoned Tatum and Brown. Kawhi/Simmons/Embiid is a solid trio, but is that beating a healthy Celtics in a 7 game series either? And then if they lose, Kawhi just leaves for LA after all?

I mean honestly, I'd be all for it if that's how it plays out, but I don't see how it ends well for the Sixers.

Sixers didn’t execute down the stretch in 3 of those losses. It’s not like Boston was superior in talent to sixers 4-1. Like a normal 4-1 series where the superior team with better talent wins. Say Houston 4-1 over Minnesota. Or Golden state 4-1 over New Orleans. Sixers simply blew those playoff games. Vs New Orleans and Minnesota were not even competive in their 4-1 series.

Anyways. Sixers don’t have a gm. And wont over pay for Leonard either especially with Colangelo being gone. Especially with Leonard being a one year rental without a commitment and not showing he’s fully healthy.

I don’t think ainge with overpay for Leonard. He’s gonna to offer as little as he can.

Than it becomes a situation like kyrie getting traded with Cleveland. Cleveland couldn’t trade kyrie to other teams and with disgruntled kyrie. They felt they had to do something and took Boston offer. Which I thought was a bad offer knowing full well IT was injuried and nets pick being unknown for 2018.

Same situation with Sacramento pick. Boston fans think it’s worth a lot. Maybe. Maybe not. It likely ends up being 5-10 Range for 2019. Unless that pick is guarantee to be top 3. It frankly isn’t worth a lot. Similar to how Boston fans are laughing that the nets 2018 pick ended up being 8th. And 2019 draft is considered weak. So a Sacramento pick say even at 5 slot isn’t great with a weak 2019 class. Big drop off in talent after top 2-3 players as usual.

"Like a normal 4-1 series where the superior team wins." Lmfao.

Dawg, if you lose in five games, you're the clearly inferior team; I don't care how you lost the games. The 76ers are not even remotely close to the Celtics right now. They could add Kawhi Leonard and they would still likely be a bit worse.

[Homerclease]

Covington has very little value. He is essentially Jae Crowder; a decent three-and-D guy who gets exposed against stronger competition.

If we won't outbid Philly, the Lakers will.

They might, but I also don’t think they deal Kawhi in conference. See pops quotes on the Pau Gasol trade

Fair enough, but the Spurs also aren't stupid. A deal consisting of two of the three of Ingram/Ball/Kuzma is likely far greater than anything Philly can offer. The Spurs would certainly prefer to ship him East, but if the offer they get from the Lakers far exceeds what they receive from an Eastern Conference team, I have a hard time believing they won't deal him to LA.

I just don't think the 76ers have the chips unless they want to move Simmons.

Meh. Ingram + Kuzma vs Saric and 10 is a coin flip at best. I don’t think Ingram carries near the value in the real world that he does on realGM. Saric seems tailor made for the spurs and IMO 10th pick > Kuzma. Not sure what the spurs would want with Ball having Murray already but maybe they could get a third team involved somehow. In that case the sixers could counter with Fultz