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Post#81 » by Feed Your Head » Wed Aug 22, 2018 1:47 am

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Its because they refuse to adjust. If they went opposite of their approach every once in a while they would be more unpredictable.


Yeah that's totally why batters struggle on pitches away, not the fact that you have less than a second to recognize the pitch and decide what to do with it. Or the fact that when you cant barrel a ball up you're going to make weaker contact. Batters focus middle in, because those are the pitches you can make the hardest contact on.

Ted Williams is likely the best hitter ever, and he only got hits 34% of the time. The problem here isn't batters refusing to adjust, it's you failing to understand just how hard it is to hit major league pitching.


Wrong. Its not about getting a hit. It’s about making the proper swing decision. The catcher sets up outside to Betts. Every. Single. Time. Yet he pulls every swing. This has been going on for a while.

Do you remember Bogie last year and year before? They made it a point for him to go with the pitch and it worked wonders.

So yeah I know how hard it is to get a hit (they have fielders). To hit the baseball however shouldn't be as difficult, especially if you know its outside every time.


Yes last and the year before Xander went with the pitches, this year he looks for the ball middle in and drive the ball. And his OPS is almost 100 points higher than those two years averaged out, and his hard hit percentage is BY FAR a career high.

Yes they set up outside to Betts yet he is his OPS is the highest in baseball, so whatever he is doing is clearly working.
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Post#82 » by ViperGTS » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:09 am

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Yeah that's totally why batters struggle on pitches away, not the fact that you have less than a second to recognize the pitch and decide what to do with it. Or the fact that when you cant barrel a ball up you're going to make weaker contact. Batters focus middle in, because those are the pitches you can make the hardest contact on.

Ted Williams is likely the best hitter ever, and he only got hits 34% of the time. The problem here isn't batters refusing to adjust, it's you failing to understand just how hard it is to hit major league pitching.


Wrong. Its not about getting a hit. It’s about making the proper swing decision. The catcher sets up outside to Betts. Every. Single. Time. Yet he pulls every swing. This has been going on for a while.

Do you remember Bogie last year and year before? They made it a point for him to go with the pitch and it worked wonders.

So yeah I know how hard it is to get a hit (they have fielders). To hit the baseball however shouldn't be as difficult, especially if you know its outside every time.


Yes last and the year before Xander went with the pitches, this year he looks for the ball middle in and drive the ball. And his OPS is almost 100 points higher than those two years averaged out, and his hard hit percentage is BY FAR a career high.

Yes they set up outside to Betts yet he is his OPS is the highest in baseball, so whatever he is doing is clearly working.


His OPS is behind Trout and his BA has dropped, what, 10 points in a week? So yeah, pitchers who can execute are clearly accomplishing something that is clearly making him look average. They have found something and are making him look inept.

Every game is more evidnce in my favor yet you continue to ignore it.

Aaaaaand Moreland just struck out trying to pull a ball outside.
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Post#83 » by Feed Your Head » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:13 am

ViperGTS wrote:
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Wrong. Its not about getting a hit. It’s about making the proper swing decision. The catcher sets up outside to Betts. Every. Single. Time. Yet he pulls every swing. This has been going on for a while.

Do you remember Bogie last year and year before? They made it a point for him to go with the pitch and it worked wonders.

So yeah I know how hard it is to get a hit (they have fielders). To hit the baseball however shouldn't be as difficult, especially if you know its outside every time.


Yes last and the year before Xander went with the pitches, this year he looks for the ball middle in and drive the ball. And his OPS is almost 100 points higher than those two years averaged out, and his hard hit percentage is BY FAR a career high.

Yes they set up outside to Betts yet he is his OPS is the highest in baseball, so whatever he is doing is clearly working.


His OPS is behind Trout and his BA has dropped, what, 10 points in a week? So yeah, pitchers who can execute are clearly accomplishing something that is clearly making him look average. They have found something and are making him look inept.

Every game is more evidnce in my favor yet you continue to ignore it.


So you mean he is slumping? It happens to everyone, himself included a few times this year. There is nothing in your favor, your entire arguement has already been proven wrong. Pitchers have pitched Betts the same way for three years lol, they haven't magically "found" anything. Pretty crazy that he's been figured out and is somehow hitting .370 in August.
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Post#84 » by ViperGTS » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:23 am

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Yes last and the year before Xander went with the pitches, this year he looks for the ball middle in and drive the ball. And his OPS is almost 100 points higher than those two years averaged out, and his hard hit percentage is BY FAR a career high.

Yes they set up outside to Betts yet he is his OPS is the highest in baseball, so whatever he is doing is clearly working.


His OPS is behind Trout and his BA has dropped, what, 10 points in a week? So yeah, pitchers who can execute are clearly accomplishing something that is clearly making him look average. They have found something and are making him look inept.

Every game is more evidnce in my favor yet you continue to ignore it.


So you mean he is slumping? It happens to everyone, himself included a few times this year. There is nothing in your favor, your entire arguement has already been proven wrong. Pitchers have pitched Betts the same way for three years lol, they haven't magically "found" anything. Pretty crazy that he's been figured out and is somehow hitting .370 in August.



No. What you are seeing good pitchers hit their targets. Which is outside. What you are seeing when that happens, Betts gets neutered as does the rest of the lineup. Do you even watch the games? If you don’t think the Sox are pull happy then you don’t know baseball. There is reason they are on this losing streak. If they don’t change their approach nothing will change. They will hit mistakes but that happens.
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Post#85 » by Feed Your Head » Wed Aug 22, 2018 2:30 am

ViperGTS wrote:
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His OPS is behind Trout and his BA has dropped, what, 10 points in a week? So yeah, pitchers who can execute are clearly accomplishing something that is clearly making him look average. They have found something and are making him look inept.

Every game is more evidnce in my favor yet you continue to ignore it.


So you mean he is slumping? It happens to everyone, himself included a few times this year. There is nothing in your favor, your entire arguement has already been proven wrong. Pitchers have pitched Betts the same way for three years lol, they haven't magically "found" anything. Pretty crazy that he's been figured out and is somehow hitting .370 in August.



No. What you are seeing good pitchers hit their targets. Which is outside. What you are seeing when that happens, Betts gets neutered as does the rest of the lineup. Do you even watch the games? If you don’t think the Sox are pull happy then you don’t know baseball. There is reason they are on this losing streak. If they don’t change their approach nothing will change. They will hit mistakes but that happens.


You are describing every team in baseball, do you think teams magically started pitching them differently three games ago? Honestly all this debate has shown is that you dont understand baseball, hence why you're alone in your argument.

I showed you that mvp players like Trout cant hit outside any better than Betts, i showed you that Xander has been far better this year when looking for the ball middle in as opposed to the last two years. Pitchers always have the advantage, you're talking like the red sox are alone in their approach. It's the same approach for every team in baseball. Im done arguing, if you think you know better than elite hitters and coaches then it's a lost cause.
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Post#86 » by ViperGTS » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:10 am

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So you mean he is slumping? It happens to everyone, himself included a few times this year. There is nothing in your favor, your entire arguement has already been proven wrong. Pitchers have pitched Betts the same way for three years lol, they haven't magically "found" anything. Pretty crazy that he's been figured out and is somehow hitting .370 in August.



No. What you are seeing good pitchers hit their targets. Which is outside. What you are seeing when that happens, Betts gets neutered as does the rest of the lineup. Do you even watch the games? If you don’t think the Sox are pull happy then you don’t know baseball. There is reason they are on this losing streak. If they don’t change their approach nothing will change. They will hit mistakes but that happens.


You are describing every team in baseball, do you think teams magically started pitching them differently three games ago? Honestly all this debate has shown is that you dont understand baseball, hence why you're alone in your argument.

I showed you that mvp players like Trout cant hit outside any better than Betts, i showed you that Xander has been far better this year when looking for the ball middle in as opposed to the last two years. Pitchers always have the advantage, you're talking like the red sox are alone in their approach. It's the same approach for every team in baseball. Im done arguing, if you think you know better than elite hitters and coaches then it's a lost cause.


Did you miss where my “uh oh” moment happened at the AS game? Sherzer made Mookie look like a fool by pounding him outside. Cora post game said, “their pitcher did a good job pitching outside and throwing breaking stuff”. Not one reporter said, well then why haven’t your guys adapted to that? Seems pretty simple to me.

Xander has been better because he proved he will go the other way. Maybe Betts and the rest could learn something. You just made my argument for me.

Lol.
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Post#87 » by ConstableGeneva » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:45 am

Apologies if asked-and-answered already, but why doesn't Boston have a WNBA team?

Edit: Would it gain a following/popularity if there was one in NE?
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Post#88 » by Feed Your Head » Wed Aug 22, 2018 12:11 pm

ViperGTS wrote:
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No. What you are seeing good pitchers hit their targets. Which is outside. What you are seeing when that happens, Betts gets neutered as does the rest of the lineup. Do you even watch the games? If you don’t think the Sox are pull happy then you don’t know baseball. There is reason they are on this losing streak. If they don’t change their approach nothing will change. They will hit mistakes but that happens.


You are describing every team in baseball, do you think teams magically started pitching them differently three games ago? Honestly all this debate has shown is that you dont understand baseball, hence why you're alone in your argument.

I showed you that mvp players like Trout cant hit outside any better than Betts, i showed you that Xander has been far better this year when looking for the ball middle in as opposed to the last two years. Pitchers always have the advantage, you're talking like the red sox are alone in their approach. It's the same approach for every team in baseball. Im done arguing, if you think you know better than elite hitters and coaches then it's a lost cause.


Did you miss where my “uh oh” moment happened at the AS game? Sherzer made Mookie look like a fool by pounding him outside. Cora post game said, “their pitcher did a good job pitching outside and throwing breaking stuff”. Not one reporter said, well then why haven’t your guys adapted to that? Seems pretty simple to me.

Xander has been better because he proved he will go the other way. Maybe Betts and the rest could learn something. You just made my argument for me.

Lol.


Dude there was no uh oh moment, mookie has been pitched the EXACT SAME way for three years. This year he is just more aggressive looking to drive the ball. Xander hasnt been better because of going the other way last year, he's been better because he ditched his approach from last year and has looked for the ball middle in so he can drive it. Hence why his OPS is 130 points higher than last year. And you do realize that Mookie is hitting 60 points higher than xander and has an OPS thats 200 points higher, correct?

You have no argument for me to have made for you. Batters will always look for the ball middle in to drive, so no point in you getting frustrated over it. Also do you know know why Mookie is so pull heavy? Because he has all time quick wrists and can get around on everything, and its not like he doesn't ever go the other way, you're just being ridiculously over the top. I already showed you he hits outside pitches just as well as Trout, here jose Altuves heat map as well. Guess what? Mookies is right there with him. Your issue is 100% that you just fail to recognize how hard it is to hit major league pitching.

https://www.fangraphs.com/zonegrid.aspx?playerid=5417&position=2B

Here's Bogaerts as well.
https://www.fangraphs.com/zonegrid.aspx?playerid=12161&position=SS
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Post#89 » by ViperGTS » Wed Aug 22, 2018 7:09 pm

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ViperGTS wrote:
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You are describing every team in baseball, do you think teams magically started pitching them differently three games ago? Honestly all this debate has shown is that you dont understand baseball, hence why you're alone in your argument.

I showed you that mvp players like Trout cant hit outside any better than Betts, i showed you that Xander has been far better this year when looking for the ball middle in as opposed to the last two years. Pitchers always have the advantage, you're talking like the red sox are alone in their approach. It's the same approach for every team in baseball. Im done arguing, if you think you know better than elite hitters and coaches then it's a lost cause.


Did you miss where my “uh oh” moment happened at the AS game? Sherzer made Mookie look like a fool by pounding him outside. Cora post game said, “their pitcher did a good job pitching outside and throwing breaking stuff”. Not one reporter said, well then why haven’t your guys adapted to that? Seems pretty simple to me.

Xander has been better because he proved he will go the other way. Maybe Betts and the rest could learn something. You just made my argument for me.

Lol.


Dude there was no uh oh moment, mookie has been pitched the EXACT SAME way for three years. This year he is just more aggressive looking to drive the ball. Xander hasnt been better because of going the other way last year, he's been better because he ditched his approach from last year and has looked for the ball middle in so he can drive it. Hence why his OPS is 130 points higher than last year. And you do realize that Mookie is hitting 60 points higher than xander and has an OPS thats 200 points higher, correct?

You have no argument for me to have made for you. Batters will always look for the ball middle in to drive, so no point in you getting frustrated over it. Also do you know know why Mookie is so pull heavy? Because he has all time quick wrists and can get around on everything, and its not like he doesn't ever go the other way, you're just being ridiculously over the top. I already showed you he hits outside pitches just as well as Trout, here jose Altuves heat map as well. Guess what? Mookies is right there with him. Your issue is 100% that you just fail to recognize how hard it is to hit major league pitching.

https://www.fangraphs.com/zonegrid.aspx?playerid=5417&position=2B

Here's Bogaerts as well.
https://www.fangraphs.com/zonegrid.aspx?playerid=12161&position=SS


I can’t speak to Altuve and his history. As you glossed over, because it kills your argument of you don’t know how hard it is to hit, they implored Bogie to go then other way when they constantly pitched outside and he was pull happy. When he did that, the pitchers realized they had to mix it up. Also, IF they start obviously pounding him away he has the baseline experience to adjust at bat to at bat.

Mooke is getting the same treatment now. Stay back, nice smooth swing to right. Maybe he’d be a .400 hitter if he did that. Ditto for Altuve and others.

I give players a massive break on off speed stuff thats just nasty. Sliders, splitters etc. 100 with movement. I don’t on low to mid 90’s FB outer-middle.
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Post#90 » by Joshyjess » Wed Aug 22, 2018 10:10 pm

Pats just cut WR Britt. This makes the third WR cut this month. There are "rumors" out there that Dez Bryant would like to play for the Pats (lots of twitter praise about Bill and Tom coming from him). Makes you wonder if the Pats are making room for him?
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Post#91 » by threrf23 » Wed Aug 22, 2018 11:05 pm

Kenny Britt was cut because he's a ~30 year old guy who can't stay healthy after taking a less than professional approach to the game earlier in his career.

That said, I'm sure there is interest in Dez.
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Post#92 » by ViperGTS » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:40 am

Oppo hits for everyone! You get one! You get one too! Win or lose this is nice to see.

Amazing what happens when you go with the pitch when they are constantly pounding you outside.
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Post#94 » by ViperGTS » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:46 am

So Eck postgame said it was nice to see them go the other way.

Guess I know nothing because I advocated for the exact thing Eck said was nice to see. :lol:
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Post#95 » by MeanGeraldGreen » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:12 pm

ViperGTS wrote:So Eck postgame said it was nice to see them go the other way.

Guess I know nothing because I advocated for the exact thing Eck said was nice to see. :lol:


Yes, thank you for informing us all of this "hitting to the opposite field" tactic. I think it's safe to say Tim Hyers must be viewing this thread on the daily.
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Post#96 » by Feed Your Head » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:36 pm

Kyridiculous wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:So Eck postgame said it was nice to see them go the other way.

Guess I know nothing because I advocated for the exact thing Eck said was nice to see. :lol:


Yes, thank you for informing us all of this "hitting to the opposite field" tactic. I think it's safe to say Tim Hyers must be viewing this thread on the daily.


Don't you know? We'd have multiple .400 hitters if batters could just go the other way consistently. Even though nobody has hit .400 in 80 years, it's almost as if it's really hard to do off of major league pitching.

Also speaking of glossing over Viper, why is it that Mookie hits outside pitching just as good or better than Trout/Altuve/Xander? I mean wasnt that your whole argument, that he would sucks at it? I'd much rather our elite hitters look for extra base hits as opposed to slapping singles the other way. That's what you're not getting, it is extraordinary hard to cover both sides of the plate equally. Yes batters should obviously go the other way sometimes, which this team has done all year, JD/Beni/Xander go opposite field a ton, JBJ has since June. Mookie just has Gary Sheffield wrists and bat speed so he can get around on anything to pull it.
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Post#97 » by ViperGTS » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:52 pm

Kyridiculous wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:So Eck postgame said it was nice to see them go the other way.

Guess I know nothing because I advocated for the exact thing Eck said was nice to see. :lol:


Yes, thank you for informing us all of this "hitting to the opposite field" tactic. I think it's safe to say Tim Hyers must be viewing this thread on the daily.



Holy cow. So let me get this straight. You dummies tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about. Fine maybe I don’t.

So during the broadcast Eck, a HoF player, says Betts has been pulling everything. Postgame he says what I stated above, validating what I have been saying.

Amazingly, they look like the hitting team they shoud when they make the adjustment. Stick to basketball, you have zero clue what you are talking about.
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Post#98 » by ViperGTS » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:57 pm

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Kyridiculous wrote:
ViperGTS wrote:So Eck postgame said it was nice to see them go the other way.

Guess I know nothing because I advocated for the exact thing Eck said was nice to see. :lol:


Yes, thank you for informing us all of this "hitting to the opposite field" tactic. I think it's safe to say Tim Hyers must be viewing this thread on the daily.


Don't you know? We'd have multiple .400 hitters if batters could just go the other way consistently. Even though nobody has hit .400 in 80 years, it's almost as if it's really hard to do off of major league pitching.

Also speaking of glossing over Viper, why is it that Mookie hits outside pitching just as good or better than Trout/Altuve/Xander? I mean wasnt that your whole argument, that he would sucks at it? I'd much rather our elite hitters look for extra base hits as opposed to slapping singles the other way. That's what you're not getting, it is extraordinary hard to cover both sides of the plate equally. Yes batters should obviously go the other way sometimes, which this team has done all year, JD/Beni/Xander go opposite field a ton, JBJ has since June. Mookie just has Gary Sheffield wrists and bat speed so he can get around on anything to pull it.


JD and Xander do. Benny is hit or miss. It is hard to cover both sides equally. What isn’t hard is taking what they they give you instead of going down 0-1 or 0-2 because you are waiting for a mistake to hit. Thats why the offense has suffered. Also, a lot of times opposite field hits turn into extra base hits especially if they are being pitched that way.

Again, all I said is Eck, who I assume knows more than you or I, said exactly what I have been saying and I still don’t know what I’m talking about. Guess we better re-animate Teddy Ball Game right?

Annnnnnnnd....the great Betts pulls another outside pitch that ends up in a botched double play. Guess he still is working on it.
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Post#99 » by Feed Your Head » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:54 pm

The poster who regularly referred to Marcus Smart as "the cancer" now calling us dummies. You should learn how to express yourself better.

Let's be real, you clearly overreacted Monday. Then I proved you wrong on Mookie, considering he is just as good/better than other top hitters statistically on pitches away. And you just kept changing the goalposts after that. FYI, when Beni went opposite field last night for the double it was on a slider middle in, not taking what the pitcher gives him like you called for. The team lost 3 straight because it happens, they haven't changed their approach at the plate lol. Their approach last night and today is the same as it has been all year.
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Post#100 » by canman1971 » Thu Aug 23, 2018 7:55 pm

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