Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

Post #81 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 1:41 pm

LewisnotMiller wrote:Semi for Harry Giles?
Doesn't seem like the Kings want him.

His knees are done— its why Sac just declined his option and didn't trade him. I’m low on Semi but want zero part of Giles.

100proof · Post #82 » by **100proof** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 1:44 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:
100proof wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:
Those ideas are wildy different in terms of value coming back. Yeah, Orlando might pay a bit more, because they're more likely to push "win now" and also because they're more likely to appreciate the marketing benefits of having a star who's a white Trump supporter. But that doesn't explain all of the gap.

Not that parge of gap imo

Huh? Jackson is worthless. Iggy you suggest isn't valuable. Clarke is a nice prospect, but so is the much more highly drafted Bamba.

Jackson is purely salary balast that can get cut free, but at the price, its worth a gamble to see if he can become something at all of substance.
Iggy isnt worthless, alot of teams are rumored to be in interest of him, I just dont see him as a fit in boston, but a 17 million dollar expiring can go along way to making additional deals, or as I suggested a three way.
Houston, Lakers, Clippers, for example are all teams rumored to want Iggy, so the return would be more than that.

Homerclease · Post #83 » by **Homerclease** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:03 pm

LewisnotMiller wrote:Semi for Harry Giles?
Doesn't seem like the Kings want him.

Yes please. Yesterday

zoyathedestroya · Post #84 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:09 pm

Homerclease wrote:
LewisnotMiller wrote:Semi for Harry Giles?
Doesn't seem like the Kings want him.

Yes please. Yesterday

Reunite the BFFs?

From nba.com/kings:

Homerclease · Post #85 » by **Homerclease** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:15 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
LewisnotMiller wrote:Semi for Harry Giles?
Doesn't seem like the Kings want him.

Yes please. Yesterday

Reunite the BFFs?

From nba.com/kings:

That’s part of it. I’d rather gamble on Giles knees than keep trotting out Semi. We know what we got with Semi, if all it costs is him to take a flier on Giles I’m all for it

Curmudgeon · Post #86 » by **Curmudgeon** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:37 pm

I'd prefer Richaun Holmes to Giles, even though Holmes would be considerably more expensive. Holmes is Tristan Thompson at a quarter of the price.

I doubt if Ainge will do any major trades now because I don't think he has completely given up on Anthony Davis. Davis has not been willing to discuss an extension with the Lakers, and if that situation implodes, you never know what could happen. Drummond also has a player option, and then you've got DeRozan, Draymond Green, Montrezl Harrell ( a favorite of mine), Marc Gasol and Hassan Whiteside.

100proof · Post #87 » by **100proof** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 2:42 pm

Would love Drummond on this team.

He makes it possible to be able to run a 4 wing lineup with someone like him manning the middle.
Ideally, he makes it possible to start a floor spacing 4 beside him as well, as he can really gobble up those rebounds and he can block shots.

Drummond, Thomas, Maker for Hayward, Wannamaker, Poirier

Detroit keeps Blake and adds a wing compliement to him, Poirier and Wood round out the front court. Wannamaker adds some vet depth at the pg spot.

Rose/Jackson/Wannamaker
Kennard/Galloway/Mykhailiuk
Hayward/Snell/Doumbouya
Blake/Morris
Wood/Poirier

Much more balanced Roster

and For Boston

Kemba/Edwards/Waters
Brown/Smart/Langford/Thomas
Tatum/Semi/Green
GWilliams/Theis/Thon
Drummond/Kanter/RWilliams

Boston maintains trade-able assets to further upgrade the backup SF roll. (Kyrie Thomas, Thon Maker, Semi, Romeo Langford)
Drummond also allows for a lineup in which Tatum is the pf, brown the sf and smart the sg (but a true steady backup wing would be needed to be acquired using the available trade bait left over on team)

100proof · Post #88 » by **100proof** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 3:08 pm

The other deal I would make would be:

Turner, Warren and Johnson from the Pacers for Hayward, Romeo and Poirier
Indiana adds another multi dimensional wing player that compliments Brogdon and Dipo (when he returns)

Brogdon/McConnel/Holliday
Dipo/Lamb/Romeo
Hayward/McDermott/Holiday
Sabonis/Leaf
Goga/Poirier

Boston adds a center for the future and scoring off the bench

Kemba/Edwards/Waters
Brown/Smart/Struss
Tatum/Warren/Green
GWilliams/Theis/Semi
Turner/RWilliams/Kanter

Post #89 » by **Darth Celtic** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:05 pm

100proof wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:
I’m on vacation - I don’t think this team needs any trades right now.

Enjoy your hiatus. 100proof got your back.

Yup.

Zoya for prokov?

he must still be on a vacation from Realgm, I've been waiting for him to show up.

100proof · Post #90 » by **100proof** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:14 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:
100proof wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Enjoy your hiatus. 100proof got your back.

Yup.

Zoya for prokov?

he must still be on a vacation from Realgm, I've been waiting for him to show up.

what a loss.

MagicBagley18 · Post #91 » by **MagicBagley18** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:15 pm

hayward is finally playing well and has been great playmaking for us, and doing some of the staff with the ball in his hands we need and basically on offense being a horford light for us and we already wanna ship him off?

let's let this thing marinate here and then also see what comes around down the line in terms of bigs, but hayward has been real good for us.

Post #92 » by **sully00** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 4:44 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:What are the salary cap matching rules -- incoming or outgoing as the case may be -- for guys who've signed rookie extensions, like Jaylen and Sabonis?

Very complicated almost impossible for each other.

91. What is the Poison Pill Provision?
"Poison Pill" isn't a defined term in the CBA, but there are a couple situations that are commonly referred to as a poison pill -- meaning a contract clause that creates a potential difficulty because the cap accounting can vary from the norm.

The first is when a team extends a first round draft pick's rookie scale contract (see question number 58) and then trades the player between the date the extension is signed and the date it takes effect. When this happens, the player's trade value for the receiving team is the average of the salaries in the last year of the rookie scale contract and each year of the extension. The sending team uses the player's actual salary when calculating their total outgoing salary, and uses the current-year maximum salary in place of the (unknown) maximum salary for a future season, if necessary.

For example, if a player on the last year of his rookie scale contract earns $5 million in 2018-19, and his contract is extended for four seasons starting at $10 million, with 5% raises, then his salary in each season will be:

Season Salary
2018-19 $5,000,000
2019-20 $10,000,000
2020-21 $10,500,000
2021-22 $11,000,000
2022-23 $11,500,000
If this player is traded during the 2018-19 season, then his outgoing salary from the sending team's perspective is his actual salary -- $5 million. But the player's incoming salary from the receiving team's perspective is $9.6 million -- the average of all five seasons. Such a player would be very difficult to trade -- a legal trade can only be accomplished if both teams add additional salary to the transaction, or if they include a third team that is able to absorb excess salary.

ddb · Post #93 » by **ddb** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 5:02 pm

nobody is making any trades anytime soon. the season just started, the team is playing well and hasn't even been at full strength yet. Way too premature to be talking about trades.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #94 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 5:58 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:
100proof wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Enjoy your hiatus. 100proof got your back.

Yup.

Zoya for prokov?

he must still be on a vacation from Realgm, I've been waiting for him to show up.

I'm pretty sure he's already started up a burner account. There's no way that coward honors his bet of the Nets finishing 10 games ahead of the Celtics this season.

Post #95 » by **Darth Celtic** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 6:06 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Darth Celtic wrote:
100proof wrote:

Yup.

Zoya for prokov?

he must still be on a vacation from Realgm, I've been waiting for him to show up.

I'm pretty sure he's already started up a burner account. There's no way that coward honors his bet of the Nets finishing 10 games ahead of the Celtics this season.

Just have a Mod do an IP search on him. Realgm actually has really good ways to find "burner" accounts on banned users, but sometimes they don't care enough to reban somebody for it. Depends on what they did. You aren't supposed to have multiple "burner" accounts though.

Curmudgeon · Post #96 » by **Curmudgeon** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 7:51 pm

Getting back to trade ideas, the team's chemistry seems very good and I think moving Hayward at this point could disrupt that chemistry. If they want to trade Langford or someone like Poirier who is barely in the rotation, that's fine.

Post #97 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 9:27 pm

Darth Celtic wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
Darth Celtic wrote:he must still be on a vacation from Realgm, I've been waiting for him to show up.

I'm pretty sure he's already started up a burner account. There's no way that coward honors his bet of the Nets finishing 10 games ahead of the Celtics this season.

Just have a Mod do an IP search on him. Realgm actually has really good ways to find "burner" accounts on banned users, but sometimes they don't care enough to reban somebody for it. Depends on what they did. You aren't supposed to have multiple "burner" accounts though.

Funny thing is that Prok was a dupe account of the user Drazen 4 three. Except he’d been posting too long and ‘good enough’ that he wasnt going to be banned for it.

Post #98 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 9:28 pm

Homerclease wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:
Homerclease wrote:Yes please. Yesterday

Reunite the BFFs?

From nba.com/kings:

That’s part of it. I’d rather gamble on Giles knees than keep trotting out Semi. We know what we got with Semi, if all it costs is him to take a flier on Giles I’m all for it

I dont think Giles is going to be trotted out again though. He hasnt played this year, had his option declined and theres no firm details regarding whats going on. I think he’s just entirely dead salary at this point.

Homerclease · Post #99 » by **Homerclease** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 9:39 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:Reunite the BFFs?

From nba.com/kings:

That’s part of it. I’d rather gamble on Giles knees than keep trotting out Semi. We know what we got with Semi, if all it costs is him to take a flier on Giles I’m all for it

I dont think Giles is going to be trotted out again though. He hasnt played this year, had his option declined and theres no firm details regarding whats going on. I think he’s just entirely dead salary at this point.

That may be so and if it is then I’m forced to agree but it’s all just conjecture at this point. Right now Semi is just stealing minutes from guys who deserve them more than he does and he’s likely gone after this year regardless. Low risk, high reward. If Giles flops then all you did is open minutes for Williams and Green

Steal by Bird · Post #100 » by **Steal by Bird** » Mon Nov 4, 2019 9:41 pm

WCS ? If things go south for Golden St would they unload him? Salary going back is an easy match, just may take a pick to get him. He’s a legit shot blocker and net gain defensively.