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Post#81 » by sam_I_am » Sun Apr 5, 2020 6:17 pm

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Sam, that's excellent. It's exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. We typically have about 235,000 deaths per month in the United States but I was pretty sure that would drop (minus corona related deaths) because there's so much less contact for the spread of other diseases and so much less activity that leads to accidental deaths. It could even be possible that we end the year with fewer deaths than average, right?

Sam, where did you get that data? I'd love to keep up with it.



It’s direct from CDC. Last week’s data could be inaccurate of course as not all death certificates collected. But the week before was 42000 so down trend immediately impacted by shutdown.

Of course, this is to be expected because there is less driving, partying, risk taking, murdering, arresting etc. and therefore less sudden deaths. The coronavirus deaths often occur 10 days or later into disease so right now we are at part of curve where positive tests are exploding but the expected deaths that result, which won’t happen for weeks, are lagging behind. In June we coukd probably see weekly totals higher than average. Until or unless we do, however, these numbers should be reason for thankfulness.

I hope it doesn’t get misconstrued as evidence that the country and world are overreacting to the very real threat.

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https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm


Right, of course not. Deaths will certainly swell going forward. But if we're seeing 20,000-ish fewer deaths a week right now, that offers quite a cushion.

Now, this will sound heartless, but not all deaths are equal. The future years of life represented by those deaths are significant too. If a 20 year old isn't caught in an auto accident and goes on to live to to be 85 years old, that has a different impact than an 80 year old who dies of the virus. Substitute 80,000-ish retiree deaths for 80,000-ish young adult deaths and that has to have some repercussions.

No, I'm not suggesting that the life of a 20 year old matters more than the life of an 80 year old...although, I guess I would say that my teenager daughters have much more to offer at this point than I do. I've taken most of my most important swings already.

Anyway, it's all very interesting to keep up with.


There will be so many unforeseen repercussions that will result from this great, rapid trauma to the entire world such as those alluded to by Zora’s posts about mental health. Any positive spin on it now is worth embracing. The most positive of all is that the youngest of our population - our children, grandchildren, nieces and nephews under 16 - while not immune to tragedy, are not getting hit as hard as we are.
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Post#82 » by threrf23 » Sun Apr 5, 2020 6:31 pm

watsonthedragon wrote:I keep thinking about how it’ll be possible for things to go back to “normal” before a vaccine (2021) without massive testing. Without it I just see more waves of this coming as we don’t know who hasn’t had it yet. I’m worried this is going to last a lot longer than anyone wants to admit and if that happens are we going to start seeing civil unrest as the more people lose their jobs and are stuck inside? Honestly, we’ve seen in sports that people will use any excuse (winning OR losing) to go out, get drunk, and riot. Hope I’m just being pessimistic.


Hopefully a vaccine, or at least a treatment, happens a lot sooner than we expect.

Of course, hopefully we can figure out massive testing,. South Korea has emerged as a role model for best practices; and South Korea from what I gather hasn't been shutting businesses down and to a large effect has been going about life as normal. If we can put aside pride, figure out universal testing, and let cellular companies share our location, we can prob get back to (relative) normalcy while also saving lives.

Otherwise, we have some tough decisions ahead of us. Social interaction is good for health. Stress is bad for health. And if the economy is hurt enough, there will be new health emergencies that emerge as an indirect result. It is tough to figure out the right balance.
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Post#83 » by jirrit » Sun Apr 5, 2020 7:50 pm

Mother and stepfather are starting to get their smell and appetite back and havent been coughing for two days. Still feel very tired but looks like theyre finally starting to beat this ugly thing.

I started working again friday. I work in a youth “prison” so things are pretty hard here too. They cant have any visits but they do have the possibility to do some skype/video calls. We work here five days, then free for the next seven so that’s pretty awesome. Still get paid fully so as a family we’re currently totally rebuilding slash demolishing our old house so that gives us lots of time. My dad’s a school bus driver and him being a handyman and me being an uhm unhandy man also comes in very handy - no pun intended. Kids are getting bored of eachother but we do make lots of bike tours and the weather’s getting better. Plus they use their bikes and carts to help bring all the bricks away so not all things are that bad in Corona times. I hope everyone out here also has some bright things to look at in these ‘dark’ times.

C’s UP and take care y’all!
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Post#84 » by Parliament10 » Sun Apr 5, 2020 8:44 pm

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Post#85 » by Fencer reregistered » Sun Apr 5, 2020 9:00 pm

Marty Walsh seems to have gotten serious. Masks requested in public. Actual curfew from 9 pm to 6 am.

He did not wear a mask while announcing this.
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Post#86 » by K For Three » Sun Apr 5, 2020 10:43 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:This checks out. I haven't caught the coronavirus in the last 3 weeks.

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Post#87 » by K For Three » Sun Apr 5, 2020 10:44 pm

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Doesn't sound good for him. He's been sick for a while and now admitted.
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Post#88 » by K For Three » Sun Apr 5, 2020 10:49 pm

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watsonthedragon wrote:I keep thinking about how it’ll be possible for things to go back to “normal” before a vaccine (2021) without massive testing. Without it I just see more waves of this coming as we don’t know who hasn’t had it yet. I’m worried this is going to last a lot longer than anyone wants to admit and if that happens are we going to start seeing civil unrest as the more people lose their jobs and are stuck inside? Honestly, we’ve seen in sports that people will use any excuse (winning OR losing) to go out, get drunk, and riot. Hope I’m just being pessimistic.


Hopefully a vaccine, or at least a treatment, happens a lot sooner than we expect.

Of course, hopefully we can figure out massive testing,. South Korea has emerged as a role model for best practices; and South Korea from what I gather hasn't been shutting businesses down and to a large effect has been going about life as normal. If we can put aside pride, figure out universal testing, and let cellular companies share our location, we can prob get back to (relative) normalcy while also saving lives.

Otherwise, we have some tough decisions ahead of us. Social interaction is good for health. Stress is bad for health. And if the economy is hurt enough, there will be new health emergencies that emerge as an indirect result. It is tough to figure out the right balance.


I think Trump is hoping in a month we can go back to normal but just hoping people wear masks.

I have doomastic mental visions though of a sweaty hot 4th of July with one super-spreader without symptoms in a crowd of people not wearing masks since it's hot and it spreads like summer wildfire.

I really have no idea what we are supposed to do in the future even if this eases up since another wave could hit.

When someone coughs these days everyone probably wants to go running, even if it's just a "I got to clear my throat" kind of cough.

And also mentally, this is going to linger for a long time in society.

Really I got no idea, this is all unreal.
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Post#89 » by Parliament10 » Sun Apr 5, 2020 11:11 pm

1918 Flu Pandemic

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The Spanish flu (also known as the 1918 flu pandemic[2]) was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic.[3] Lasting from January 1918 to December 1920, it infected 500 million people – about a quarter of the world's population at the time.[1] The death toll is estimated to have been anywhere from 17 million[4] to 50 million, and possibly as high as 100 million, making it one of the deadliest pandemics in human history.[5][6]

The 1918 Flu Pandemic lasted 3 Full years, affecting parts of 4 different Flu seasons.
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Post#90 » by Fencer reregistered » Sun Apr 5, 2020 11:44 pm

Fencer reregistered wrote:Marty Walsh seems to have gotten serious. Masks requested in public. Actual curfew from 9 pm to 6 am.

He did not wear a mask while announcing this.


Actually -- is the curfew enforced, or just recommended? If it's enforced, it has to have exceptions (e.g. for health care workers on most shifts), and I haven't seen those announced.
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Post#91 » by K For Three » Sun Apr 5, 2020 11:59 pm

Basically Trump said today we don't have enough time to test everything out and he got angry at reporters for asking why he is playing doctor.

So you take the malaria drug/z pack and like it. It might work, it might not work.

And basically screw you to Dr. Fauci and his advice.

We have an economy to boost.

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Post#92 » by K For Three » Mon Apr 6, 2020 12:26 am

ex is gonna blow up when he comes online again. And he should.

Trump cut Fauci off today when he tried to answer a question about hydroxychloroquine.

#FireFauci is also trending on twitter from Republicans.


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Post#93 » by Gant » Mon Apr 6, 2020 12:38 am

* This won't come to an end until there's a vaccine, and unless something changes a vaccine won't arrive for another 12 to 18 months. There could be complications in making a vaccine, pushing it further back, or a breakthrough bringing it sooner. But for now the 12 to 18 month timeframe is a decent guess.


* After the Spanish flu (which really started in Kansas), I read many people didn't start venturing out freely for another year or two. They were that scared.

There are similarities between now and a century ago, but this is a different animal and these are different times. A hundred years ago people were starved for information. Today we've got so much information and misinformation, we're drowning.


* Our world has already changed. When this is done, we won't be going back to what we were, we'll be going forward. It will be a new place, and if we're really really lucky, it will be a better one. If that ever happens none of us has a right to forget the sacrifices being made by so many to get us there.


* Pay attention to the positives. They matter too. Pollution is way down. So are carbon emissions. A lot of stuff we thought was important will turn out to have been trivial. Everybody will find out now what's really important. After this is over maybe our whole society will become a little wiser.

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Post#94 » by K For Three » Mon Apr 6, 2020 12:49 am

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Post#95 » by K For Three » Mon Apr 6, 2020 1:51 am

I promise guys, no more politics here.

And even if this drug works can the President not scare the **** out of us the way he talks about it? Makes me think he is trying to get me abducted by men who want to give me free candy in a van.

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Post#96 » by djFan71 » Mon Apr 6, 2020 2:37 am

jirrit wrote:Mother and stepfather are starting to get their smell and appetite back and havent been coughing for two days. Still feel very tired but looks like theyre finally starting to beat this ugly thing.

Awesome news!
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Post#97 » by K For Three » Mon Apr 6, 2020 2:39 am

The older man my folks knew who died of this virus has a wife who just tested positive too but she has very few symptoms and is in isolation. I don't know how serious her symptoms are but they prescribed her the antibiotic Levoflaxin 750 mg a day for a week for something she was experiencing.

I think the moral of the story is, you listen to the particular doctor you work with with these things right now if you have a problem.
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Post#98 » by exculpatory » Mon Apr 6, 2020 4:49 am

Kemba For Three wrote:ex is gonna blow up when he comes online again. And he should.

Trump cut Fauci off today when he tried to answer a question about hydroxychloroquine.

#FireFauci is also trending on twitter from Republicans.

This is bad guys, really really bad.

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Post#99 » by K For Three » Mon Apr 6, 2020 4:58 am

It gets worse.

My mom texts me earlier to tell my dip **** cousin (who is 31) and who has been living in Houston for the last few years with his long time girlfriend (they broke up a month ago) decided this last week to drive to Houston to Cleveland with many stops along the way, to to go Ohio to get a job offered to him by an old friend who now lives there.

And my cousin woke up today with full body aches and nausea and thinks he should get tested just in case it's coronavirus.

I am sorry to get political at times guys but really what the flying hell is going on with this country at times?

And who the **** drives from Houston to Cleveland during a pandemic? Oh yeah, my cousin does.

I am so ashamed.

edit: Going to have to pray he just ate something bad since if not he has been around a lot of people lately traveling and was at stores a lot too he said shopping for things for his apartment.

I mean words can't even justify at times the level of frustrations I feel hearing this ****.
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Post#100 » by Captain_Caveman » Mon Apr 6, 2020 6:04 am

Quick reminder to not fall down the rabbit hole of constantly watching the news or social media on this. Do something productive if you can. Was a facebook trend of posting landscapes without explanation, and while I passed on that, here's a gallery for you to enjoy or not.

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