2020 NBA Draft Thread, Part 2 -- (8PM, Wed, Nov. 18, ESPN)

[GoGreen]

Devin Vassell might be the only guy i really like in this draft. A trio of him Brown and Tatum for years to come would be lethal. 3 switchable wings who can score anywhere on the floor. Yes please.

[playa-hater]

Who of these 2nd tier PGs would you want Boston to take if available.

Kira Lewis - 6'3 said to be the fastest, with good on ball defense, creating and shooting..

Cole Anthony - 6'3 - perhaps the best scorer and former Top talent who had a underwhelming year of college.

3 - R J Hampton - 6'5 known for his height speed combination. Is said to be good at everything but not special at anything.

4 Tyler Terry - 6'2 - is or should be considered the best shooting PG in the class. Probably the weakest of this 4 on defense.

rank them if you want.

I'm taking Markus Howard over any of these guys if I can, b/c from an analytical perspective, he seems almost a lock to become one of the greatest three point shooters in NBA history. To me, that in and of itself gives him a high floor as far as his value is concerned.

I'm not really for or against the guys above. Terry sounds to me like the best PG of the bunch, but given his age and build and the fact that PGs often take time to develop, I'm not sure if he contributes much on his rookie deal. If I had to rank them, I think I'd go RJ Hampton first based on his apparent upside, Cole Anthony last b/c I think he kinda fits the profile of a bust, toss up between Lewis and Terry.

shooting is so important for me, but so is defense.. he is too small, like Kemba to factor in as a good defender... for a peanut butter+jelly sandwich I need both Peanut butter and jelly. same for players IMO.

[playa-hater]

Devin Vassell might be the only guy i really like in this draft. A trio of him Brown and Tatum for years to come would be lethal. 3 switchable wings who can score anywhere on the floor. Yes please.

I'll agree with that. But are you willing to trade 2 firsts in order to get him? That is where I hesitate.

[JHTruth]

I was thinking this way, until I was told Tatum is 22 and Brown is 23.

It may be in the franchise's best interest to try and develop players right now and put this team in the best position it can be when Tatum is in his prime so we can try to stop him demanding to be traded to the Lakers so he can live out his Kobe fantasy.

We're taking proven college guys. We can't afford to take flyers on euros or americans playing in Australia at this point. Need guys that can help within the next 2 years. Hence HAli and Bane (A 4-year college player that might be able to jump in almost immediately).

doesn't matter where they come from. Just take the most talented player still on the board. This isn't rocket science but these horrible G.M.s sure make it seem like it is on draft night. At least in Europe they play against grown men with professional coaches and staff. College, for one or two years, isn't the same type of experience that it used to be when kids played in college all four years. Heck, even these Academies that guys like Anfernee Simons and Mitchell Robinson do a better job of preparing prospects than college can. These kids go to college, play with other kids, for coaches that are better recruiters than coaches, and leave essentially the same player they were when they arrives, a year later. The college model, as it pertains to NBA prospects, has largely been made obsolete at this point now that Europe, Australia, IMG Academy and the new G-League rules. Expect less and less of these kids to go to college from this point forward.

The percentages are much higher for US College players being successful in the league than Euros. Of course if there's a can't miss guy like Luka coming in from Europe you pull the trigger but all things being equal you take the US college player. Just playing the %'s. The harsh reality is the vast majority of euro prospects bust and are back in Europe for their second contract.

[100proof]

The more I think about it, the more I want Poku at 14

Your phone autocorrected "Drink" with "Think"

There are only a handful of people in this world with his combination of size, fluidity and basketball IQ. Rather swing for the fences than pick another guard that wont beat out Wanamaker for minutes.

Poku will be available at 26 or 30. If you want him you take him then, not lotto

[SmartWentCrazy]

Your phone autocorrected "Drink" with "Think"

There are only a handful of people in this world with his combination of size, fluidity and basketball IQ. Rather swing for the fences than pick another guard that wont beat out Wanamaker for minutes.

Poku will be available at 26 or 30. If you want him you take him then, not lotto

You’re wrong and i’ll bump this in a ~month

[JHTruth]

I was thinking this way, until I was told Tatum is 22 and Brown is 23.

It may be in the franchise's best interest to try and develop players right now and put this team in the best position it can be when Tatum is in his prime so we can try to stop him demanding to be traded to the Lakers so he can live out his Kobe fantasy.

We're taking proven college guys. We can't afford to take flyers on euros or americans playing in Australia at this point. Need guys that can help within the next 2 years. Hence HAli and Bane (A 4-year college player that might be able to jump in almost immediately).

doesn't matter where they come from. Just take the most talented player still on the board. This isn't rocket science but these horrible G.M.s sure make it seem like it is on draft night. At least in Europe they play against grown men with professional coaches and staff. College, for one or two years, isn't the same type of experience that it used to be when kids played in college all four years. Heck, even these Academies that guys like Anfernee Simons and Mitchell Robinson do a better job of preparing prospects than college can. These kids go to college, play with other kids, for coaches that are better recruiters than coaches, and leave essentially the same player they were when they arrives, a year later. The college model, as it pertains to NBA prospects, has largely been made obsolete at this point now that Europe, Australia, IMG Academy and the new G-League rules. Expect less and less of these kids to go to college from this point forward.

Euros drafted in the Top 20

2015: Kristaps Porzingis (4)
Mario Hejonza (5)
Emmanuel Mudiay (7)

2016: Dragan Bender (4)
Thon Maker (10)
Georgos Pappagiannis (13)
Juan Hernangomez (15)
Guerschon Yabusele (16)

2017: Frank Ntilikina (8)

2018: Luka Doncic (3)

2019: Sekou Dembouya (15)
Goga Bitazde (18)
Luka Samanic (19)

How many of these guys even see the floor or are even in the League.

Euros are a MASSIVE risk.

[flintsky21]

I think it's pretty safe to say we're picking a big with the 26th or 30th pick. What do we think about Zeke Nnaji? 6'11"/240 bouncy, high energy big. Reminds me of Richaun Holmes who I really like. Doesn't fit the "Brad Stevens big" archetype though of a rim protector with some stretch capability.

Watch on YouTube

[100proof]

There are only a handful of people in this world with his combination of size, fluidity and basketball IQ. Rather swing for the fences than pick another guard that wont beat out Wanamaker for minutes.

Poku will be available at 26 or 30. If you want him you take him then, not lotto

You’re wrong and i’ll bump this in a ~month

Well I just might be.

SB NAtion - 13
Ringer - 15
SI - 23
Yahoo - 2nd round
BR - 22
NetScouts - 23
Tankathon - 18

So ok, maybe not there at 26, but a waste of a pick at 14. Dude is 3 or 4 years away. Why waste a pick on him. See where he falls and trade for him there if you really want him. But I dont think he will ever put on weight. making him purely a give player. Meaning he gives points to the other team. Dragon Bender is as skilled only thicker and he could not carve out a position in theNBA

[100proof]

I think it's pretty safe to say we're picking a big with the 26th or 30th pick. What do we think about Zeke Nnaji? 6'11"/240 bouncy, high energy big. Reminds me of Richaun Holmes who I really like. Doesn't fit the "Brad Stevens big" archetype though of a rim protector with some stretch capability.

Watch on YouTube

Prefer Daniel Oturu personally.

Watch on YouTube

6'10" 245;bs. 7'3" wngspan.

A little bit of Siakam in him,

[TheSheriff]

No they aren't and that is the problem. We a trying to get championships right now. Trying to develop 5 players simultaneously is difficulty while trying to make deep playoffs runs. It's rare that a rookie is going to step in and play a critical role on contending team. It's not impossible though(Herro).
That's why I pointed out the conflict. Normally this is the perfect draft to take 3 swings. But for the Celtics circumstance I think it's better to consolidate the picks and get some vets for bench help.

I was thinking this way, until I was told Tatum is 22 and Brown is 23.

It may be in the franchise's best interest to try and develop players right now and put this team in the best position it can be when Tatum is in his prime so we can try to stop him demanding to be traded to the Lakers so he can live out his Kobe fantasy.

We're taking proven college guys. We can't afford to take flyers on euros or americans playing in Australia at this point. Need guys that can help within the next 2 years. Hence HAli and Bane (A 4-year college player that might be able to jump in almost immediately).

How often are rookies taken in the late first round useful rotation players on good teams in year one? It happens, maybe once or twice a year, but it’s not any kind of guarantee. Almost everyone picking in that range is in win now mode, but they still struggle to get players to help them now.

[TommyPointGawd]

I was thinking this way, until I was told Tatum is 22 and Brown is 23.

It may be in the franchise's best interest to try and develop players right now and put this team in the best position it can be when Tatum is in his prime so we can try to stop him demanding to be traded to the Lakers so he can live out his Kobe fantasy.

They are developing players right now. My argument is against developing 3 more. Rookies take time to make impact especially when you are picking outside the top 10. Around here we throw guys aside after a few months. If we trade up and take a guy that will eventually be a starting level player and add vets/specialist to the bench with the other available roster slots you are simultaneously helping us contend now while building for the future. Drafting 3 rookies you run the risk of repeating what happened last year with them not playing at all.

[Mickey8]

We're taking proven college guys. We can't afford to take flyers on euros or americans playing in Australia at this point. Need guys that can help within the next 2 years. Hence HAli and Bane (A 4-year college player that might be able to jump in almost immediately).

doesn't matter where they come from. Just take the most talented player still on the board. This isn't rocket science but these horrible G.M.s sure make it seem like it is on draft night. At least in Europe they play against grown men with professional coaches and staff. College, for one or two years, isn't the same type of experience that it used to be when kids played in college all four years. Heck, even these Academies that guys like Anfernee Simons and Mitchell Robinson do a better job of preparing prospects than college can. These kids go to college, play with other kids, for coaches that are better recruiters than coaches, and leave essentially the same player they were when they arrives, a year later. The college model, as it pertains to NBA prospects, has largely been made obsolete at this point now that Europe, Australia, IMG Academy and the new G-League rules. Expect less and less of these kids to go to college from this point forward.

Euros drafted in the Top 20

2015: Kristaps Porzingis (4)
Mario Hejonza (5)
Emmanuel Mudiay (7)

2016: Dragan Bender (4)
Thon Maker (10)
Georgos Pappagiannis (13)
Juan Hernangomez (15)
Guerschon Yabusele (16)

2017: Frank Ntilikina (8)

2018: Luka Doncic (3)

2019: Sekou Dembouya (15)
Goga Bitazde (18)
Luka Samanic (19)

How many of these guys even see the floor or are even in the League.

Euros are a MASSIVE risk.

Those two are not European players. Then again you have some players drafted in the second round who became very good players such as Ginobili ,Marc Gasol, Jokic. I will give you international player nobody talks about that will turn out to be a steal of this NBA Draft or the next NBA Draft if he pull his name out of this year draft, Filip Petrusev , he is in the same club Jokic was drafted from, Mega Soccerbet, he was playing at Gonzaga last season and he decided to quit college and spend this season in Serbia to get ready for the NBA , 7 ft tall center , very skilled , also Mega have another seven footer Marko Simonovic good prospect as well, they share floor together. Bitadze also played for that basketball club.

[Half-Full]

My choices for our picks:

14 - Precious Achiuwa
26 - Tyler Bey
30 - Xavier Tillman
47 - Grant Riller

[SmartWentCrazy]

Poku will be available at 26 or 30. If you want him you take him then, not lotto

You’re wrong and i’ll bump this in a ~month

Well I just might be.

SB NAtion - 13
Ringer - 15
SI - 23
Yahoo - 2nd round
BR - 22
NetScouts - 23
Tankathon - 18

So ok, maybe not there at 26, but a waste of a pick at 14. Dude is 3 or 4 years away. Why waste a pick on him. See where he falls and trade for him there if you really want him. But I dont think he will ever put on weight. making him purely a give player. Meaning he gives points to the other team. Dragon Bender is as skilled only thicker and he could not carve out a position in theNBA

Dragan Bender **** blew. I called it out then too. He couldnt pass, shoot, rebound or move fluidly. People overhyped him cuz Porzingis exceeded all expectations.

Poku is not Bender. He can play. His frame **** blows, but he’s a project and will grow. Just watch pre-draft clips of each and its quite clear that the only thing the two have in common is that theyre white and not from the USA.

[100proof]

You’re wrong and i’ll bump this in a ~month

Well I just might be.

SB NAtion - 13
Ringer - 15
SI - 23
Yahoo - 2nd round
BR - 22
NetScouts - 23
Tankathon - 18

So ok, maybe not there at 26, but a waste of a pick at 14. Dude is 3 or 4 years away. Why waste a pick on him. See where he falls and trade for him there if you really want him. But I dont think he will ever put on weight. making him purely a give player. Meaning he gives points to the other team. Dragon Bender is as skilled only thicker and he could not carve out a position in theNBA

Dragan Bender **** blew. I called it out then too. He couldnt pass, shoot, rebound or move fluidly. People overhyped him cuz Porzingis exceeded all expectations.

Poku is not Bender. He can play. His frame **** blows, but he’s a project and will grow. Just watch pre-draft clips of each and its quite clear that the only thing the two have in common is that theyre white and not from the USA.

And frail. Bender had the range.

If you dont like the Bender comparison then, lets go with Bargnani.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Well I just might be.

SB NAtion - 13
Ringer - 15
SI - 23
Yahoo - 2nd round
BR - 22
NetScouts - 23
Tankathon - 18

So ok, maybe not there at 26, but a waste of a pick at 14. Dude is 3 or 4 years away. Why waste a pick on him. See where he falls and trade for him there if you really want him. But I dont think he will ever put on weight. making him purely a give player. Meaning he gives points to the other team. Dragon Bender is as skilled only thicker and he could not carve out a position in theNBA

Dragan Bender **** blew. I called it out then too. He couldnt pass, shoot, rebound or move fluidly. People overhyped him cuz Porzingis exceeded all expectations.

Poku is not Bender. He can play. His frame **** blows, but he’s a project and will grow. Just watch pre-draft clips of each and its quite clear that the only thing the two have in common is that theyre white and not from the USA.

And frail. Bender had the range.

If you dont like the Bender comparison then, lets go with Bargnani.

No, Bender did not have range nor did he ever have range nor was there anything in his profile that indicated he should get range.

[GoGreen]

Devin Vassell might be the only guy i really like in this draft. A trio of him Brown and Tatum for years to come would be lethal. 3 switchable wings who can score anywhere on the floor. Yes please.

I'll agree with that. But are you willing to trade 2 firsts in order to get him? That is where I hesitate.

Absolutely. He doesn't need to be an all star. Just a threat. He's going to be able to play in this league, and in a weak draft, grabbing a sure thing (imo) is a must. Picks 26 and 30? Go ahead, have them. 14 and 26? Take 'em. Might not even need to move up too high, either.

[Mickey8]

Pokusevski have a really pg like ball handle , he has pg mind set, I dont know how that would work in the NBA, he can't be compared to Jokic who does ball handling a lot as a center, Pokusevski is a much more natural with the ball in his hands , he can dribble like a guard, he shoots like a guard , he can go around the screens and shoot etc. His lack of strength for me is the biggest concern , he was very weak in head to head against his peers at FIBA U18 championship last year .

[Disinformation]

Pokusevski have a really pg like ball handle , he has pg mind set, I dont know how that would work in the NBA, he can't be compared to Jokic who does ball handling a lot as a center, Pokusevski is a much more natural with the ball in his hands , he can dribble like a guard, he shoots like a guard , he can go around the screens and shoot etc. His lack of strength for me is the biggest concern , he was very weak in head to head against his peers at FIBA U18 championship last year .

I know nothing about this guy, but at his weight if he's really got "pg like ball handle", could he be considered more of a wing than a big?