Post-Game Notes: WAS 116, BOS 107 (2-3)

[rob4748]

Wait are people actually getting on Ime after 5 games because he's calling out the players? Isn't that what we wanted Brad to do for years?

[bucknersrevenge]

This was a bad game for everyone involved. Billy and I cry through the whole recap like we're being forced to clean up our room and destroy the fort we made the night before. Needless to say, there are some disturbing trends we're seeing early on with this team that we don't like. Find us Spot...you know what? Whatever. I'm mad.

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[Shak_Celts]

talking about the same old same old from the players? fans here are the same every season, after every bad game, someone MUST be traded. can't really take any of it seriously tho because someone said trade tatum. after that, it's nothing left to say, except TRADE THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION!!

[Curmudgeon]

So don't trade anyone. That's always what the fans of treadmill teams say.

[Shak_Celts]

Wait are people actually getting on Ime after 5 games because he's calling out the players? Isn't that what we wanted Brad to do for years?

no, mad he doesn't have them 5-0 with all 5 being blowouts.

[Shak_Celts]

So don't trade anyone. That's always what the fans of treadmill teams say.

they have made trades. no one is saying more trades can't or shouldn't be made, but a little more consistency would be calling for it when they win. all aboard when they win and chuck em off when they lose. watch what happens after the next win.

[zoyathedestroya]

I believe it was Larry Bird who said players start to tune out their coach after 3 or 4 years games. Back to iso ball and low effort/energy from our main guys. Replace Ime? So it wasn't Brad after all lol.

after 5 games?

My bad. I was being facetious re replacing Ime. But it's looking like the inconsistency in effort and the coasting until team gets down is more a player issue than a coach one (as people asserted last season).

Unrelated: Wish we put Tatum (instead of Schroder) on Dinwiddie late in the game with Smart draped all over Beal. Hide Schroder on a corner shooter.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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I feel like our guys are too friendly. They always got friends from the opposing teams. They coast early on before it bites them in the ass. I hate the Celtics effort for the past 2 seasons. Talent was bad last year along with a lot of injuries, the Celtics should be much better than this. Gotta develop good habits early in the season. So far they’re looking like a bad team with these inconsistencies and effort

You used to frequent the Wizards board when Paul Pierce was on our team. I come in peace. I think Washington has a better roster than they did and a much better coach.

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[eyeatoma]

Fire ImE already. That guy doesn’t know what he’s doing. We should have traded Smart. Dennis and Marcus together won’t work. Not enough shooters to finish games.

As I sixers fan I came in when you guys hired him, warning you all that he wasn't this great coach, and his defensive schemes (which included Horford) where mind bogglingly bad. Now hopefully some of you can see my point. Still think he's a better coach than Glenn Rivers though lol.

[Shak_Celts]

I believe it was Larry Bird who said players start to tune out their coach after 3 or 4 years games. Back to iso ball and low effort/energy from our main guys. Replace Ime? So it wasn't Brad after all lol.

after 5 games?

My bad. I was being facetious re replacing Ime. But it's looking like the inconsistency in effort and the coasting until team gets down is more a player issue than a coach one (as people asserted last season).

Unrelated: Wish we put Tatum (instead of Schroder) on Dinwiddie late in the game with Smart draped all over Beal. Hide Schroder on a corner shooter.

I was in the wrong, sorry, went over my head.

Also, I think brown allowed a couple of those, both should have just stayed in front of him and defended straight up instead of trying to feed him to middle for help. One time he jooked brown hard!

[BostonCouchGM]

no team paying Smart and Richardson a combined $30 million is serious about winning a championship. And no team with Jaylen Brown as its 2nd best player is either. And lastly, Tatum is moving closer and closer to exiting Boston with every loss. Yes he's been a major reason why, but he strikes me as arrogant and likely doesn't take responsibility for this so don't be surprised when we go one and done, if not miss the playoffs, that he demands a trade next offseason. I think Danny saw the writing on the wall and that's why he bounced. Ime is a complete fraud btw, as expected

[playa-hater]

This isn't an Ime thing, cmon y'all. Same bs we've been seeing for sometime now.

This is one of two things imo. Either the guys got too fat and happy under Brad and Ime needs time to iron out bad habits, or the bad habits are 1 of, if not multiple, core players and for those bad habits to go one of those guys have to go.

Perhaps in time Ime can "iron out bad habits" or change attitudes and things in that nature. They do need correcting etc,, But I have a Bigger problem with other things, such as not seeing any kind of system or basketball strategies. Not seeing any kind of in game adjustments or even any thing defensive related. Not seeing a good feel on rotations. In tonight's game for example, Ime sat Horford for a long time. Sat Tatum for a good chunk of the 4th quarter. His continued use and playing of Smart who has been terrible for most/all the games this year. Pairing Smart and Schroder together. Shoot even J Parker who had a strong game last game, played well again in the 1st half, and somehow doesn't even get in at all the 2nd half.

Ime's complete benching of PP and Nesmith over veteran's who have struggled on offense all while our defense is also in shambles..

There is a chance Ime will help turn this around in time. But at this point, early on, it seems more likely he is in over his head than this changing anytime soon.

Just my opinion and maybe he proves me wrong.

[Garbanzo]

Another game with the two bigs line up..
I dont care if smart or shroder start. Smart has been really bad, but he is not important enough. Or at least, shouldn't be important enough on offense.
Tatum has no advantages playing the 3, He is not faster then others playing this position, thus taking more contested shots and not assisting his teamates.
Horfie and TL clogg the paint on offense.
Also, we play switch defense - IF playing switch defense - don't play big! This is BASIC stuff.
With a team that has a lot of guards, and so many bigs, playing the two bigs line-up also destroy our balance and bench.
Also, horfie and tatum are same height, I just cant see the advantage.
Miami is playing 6'5 Tucker at power forward FCOL.

I started posting here only recently, but Im reading this forum for years. Yeah I was diasapointed with the team at times. They don't put in the effoer and focus consistently..
This is the only Celtics team ever that make me cringe, and not care at all about the game on the screen. Its like their "I don't care" attitude infects me through the screen. That has never happened. Not even in the Jiri Welsch years..
Brad's team last year came close. Kyrie's year were also frustrating. But not like what we are seeing now.

Starting line up should be
Shroder, Smart , Brown, Tatum, Horfie
This is not ideal bc of shooting. Id like Brad to find a shooter who is good enough to start
Then its:
Smart, a shooter, Brown, Tatum, Williams,
With Horfie and Shroder leading the second unit. That's ideal in my opinion.

Who knows?
Maybe Nesmith/Langford/Richardson can do that.
Nesmith is a good shooter, but not good enough all around. If Richardson can be an average shooter like he was im Miami, then our problems are solved.

[Triple7]

Ime’s strategy won’t work with this bunch. They would just throw shade back at him, for his poor, sub par coaching. He looks as stubborn of a coach as you can get. He has no creativity with his lineups. Smart should be off the bench already. That’s why we can’t close out teams, because we don’t have enough shooting in the lineup. What ever happened to our promising youngsters? Nesmith, langford and Pritchard are not that bad defensively over Smart and Richardson, but they are ways better offensively. He can’t even have the courage to use Kanter in spurts, just to give us some other look offensively and added rebounding. If this continues, look for the players to tune him out early. If we lose in the next few games, things will start being ugly for IME.

[Jaqua92]

Another game with the two bigs line up..
I dont care if smart or shroder start. Smart has been really bad, but he is not important enough. Or at least, shouldn't be important enough on offense.
Tatum has no advantages playing the 3, He is not faster then others playing this position, thus taking more contested shots and not assisting his teamates.
Horfie and TL clogg the paint on offense.
Also, we play switch defense - IF playing switch defense - don't play big! This is BASIC stuff.
With a team that has a lot of guards, and so many bigs, playing the two bigs line-up also destroy our balance and bench.
Also, horfie and tatum are same height, I just cant see the advantage.
Miami is playing 6'5 Tucker at power forward FCOL.

I started posting here only recently, but Im reading this forum for years. Yeah I was diasapointed with the team at times. They don't put in the effoer and focus consistently..
This is the only Celtics team ever that make me cringe, and not care at all about the game on the screen. Its like their "I don't care" attitude infects me through the screen. That has never happened. Not even in the Jiri Welsch years..
Brad's team last year came close. Kyrie's year were also frustrating. But not like what we are seeing now.

Starting line up should be
Shroder, Smart , Brown, Tatum, Horfie
This is not ideal bc of shooting. Id like Brad to find a shooter who is good enough to start
Then its:
Smart, a shooter, Brown, Tatum, Williams,
With Horfie and Shroder leading the second unit. That's ideal in my opinion.

Who knows?
Maybe Nesmith/Langford/Richardson can do that.
Nesmith is a good shooter, but not good enough all around. If Richardson can be an average shooter like he was im Miami, then our problems are solved.

We don't find a shooter/game changer and keep Smart.

Smart as the starting PG is such an issue. Teams will let him beat them, and fail. Meanwhile, our entitled super stars have to work twice as hard, and probably are indifferent.

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[Fierce1]

Tatum in the 4th Quarter:

0/3 FG
2/4 FT

2 points

That's not the path to greatness, Tatum. Stars show up in the 4th.

That's asking too much from Tatum after having a super great game against the Hornets.

The Celts just kept missing open shots.

Marcus Smart is just shooting 26% from the field and he's getting around 37 minutes per game.

That's too many minutes for a player only shooting 25.5%.

Before the season started, I said the Celts will never win a championship if Smart is one top 5 players on the team.

Smart needs to return to what his role was when Hayward was still a Celtic in 2019-20.

Maybe Ime needs a few more games to tell Smart to return to a bench role, but we all have seen it before, this is nothing new, Marcus Smart is just to unreliable to be getting more than 30 minutes per game.

If nothing changes after 20 games, this Celts team will just be a .500 team.

Their potential is top 3.

The problem is not being able to make open shots is making the Celts lose games.

[Fierce1]

Ime’s strategy won’t work with this bunch. They would just throw shade back at him, for his poor, sub par coaching. He looks as stubborn of a coach as you can get. He has no creativity with his lineups. Smart should be off the bench already. That’s why we can’t close out teams, because we don’t have enough shooting in the lineup. What ever happened to our promising youngsters? Nesmith, langford and Pritchard are not that bad defensively over Smart and Richardson, but they are ways better offensively. He can’t even have the courage to use Kanter in spurts, just to give us some other look offensively and added rebounding. If this continues, look for the players to tune him out early. If we lose in the next few games, things will start being ugly for IME.

Pritchard and Nesmith didn't even play in this game.
And to think Pritchard is one of the best 3-point shooters on this team.

You're absolutely correct in saying Smart should be on the bench already.

Just make Schroder the starter.

[Garbanzo]

Another game with the two bigs line up..
I dont care if smart or shroder start. Smart has been really bad, but he is not important enough. Or at least, shouldn't be important enough on offense.
Tatum has no advantages playing the 3, He is not faster then others playing this position, thus taking more contested shots and not assisting his teamates.
Horfie and TL clogg the paint on offense.
Also, we play switch defense - IF playing switch defense - don't play big! This is BASIC stuff.
With a team that has a lot of guards, and so many bigs, playing the two bigs line-up also destroy our balance and bench.
Also, horfie and tatum are same height, I just cant see the advantage.
Miami is playing 6'5 Tucker at power forward FCOL.

I started posting here only recently, but Im reading this forum for years. Yeah I was diasapointed with the team at times. They don't put in the effoer and focus consistently..
This is the only Celtics team ever that make me cringe, and not care at all about the game on the screen. Its like their "I don't care" attitude infects me through the screen. That has never happened. Not even in the Jiri Welsch years..
Brad's team last year came close. Kyrie's year were also frustrating. But not like what we are seeing now.

Starting line up should be
Shroder, Smart , Brown, Tatum, Horfie
This is not ideal bc of shooting. Id like Brad to find a shooter who is good enough to start
Then its:
Smart, a shooter, Brown, Tatum, Williams,
With Horfie and Shroder leading the second unit. That's ideal in my opinion.

Who knows?
Maybe Nesmith/Langford/Richardson can do that.
Nesmith is a good shooter, but not good enough all around. If Richardson can be an average shooter like he was im Miami, then our problems are solved.

We don't find a shooter/game changer and keep Smart.

Smart as the starting PG is such an issue. Teams will let him beat them, and fail. Meanwhile, our entitled super stars have to work twice as hard, and probably are indifferent.

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Rondo was running the point in his second year in the league, with no outside shot at all and no offensive game.
It was enough for a championship.

Last year - PJ Tucker played over 30 min a night and scord 4 (!) points a game in the suns series. Same as his stats in the playoffs.

[FlatearthZorro]

Tatum in the 4th Quarter:

0/3 FG
2/4 FT

2 points

That's not the path to greatness, Tatum. Stars show up in the 4th.

Somebody hear said it pretty well- both Tatum and Brown are somewhat reliant on their jumpshots to get their games going. Tbh, neither played well and they lack consistency. I still don't think Tatum is better than what Pierce was at the same age. Tatum has more potential tho. I hate Tatum's body language. He's whining non stop and not running back on defense. Brown just didn't seem to be there tonight.

Smart is really bothering me, cause he's produced nothing. He needs to turn it around, his contract IS BRUTAL. Schroeder is outplaying him so far.

[Larry_Russell]

My god we as fans are pathetic.

New coach
Roster overhaul
Positional changes


And people bitching relentlessless and pointing blame on individual players.

It has been 5 games.


5 games