Celtics 2023-24, Season Thread

bucknersrevenge · Post #81 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:03 pm

Anyone of our resident advanced metric guys have any numbers on how we played last night when both Jays were on the floor vs only one of them?

It appeared like we moved the ball better when only one of them played but the ball stagnated when they both were on the floor. Without Al and Smart to help stabilize the ball movement, the ball sticks in their hands and no one moves off ball. The health being the biggest wildcard in this season is probably no surprise and with Marcus and Rob being out so much it makes sense that our defense has fallen off a cliff these days.

bucknersrevenge · Post #82 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Sun Mar 19, 2023 8:14 pm

Rob has played in only 33% of all available games. Marcus has played in just 75%. Last year we went streaking at the end of the season aided by a consistent healthy lineup. This year we've been anything but with a virtual revolving door in our Top 7 since January. As these two players represent the virtual backbone of our defense, I suppose it should come as no surprise how inconsistent our defense, and thus, our win-loss record have been. We are 11-7 since the break.

Having said that, this also bears saying, All of this inconsistency right now is worth it if it leads to those 2 being healthy when the playoffs actually begin. I will happily suffer through the slog of mediocre play through the final 10 games of this season if it means Marcus and Rob are healthy enough for a good 30 minutes each, every other day when the 2nd season begins.

Post #83 » by **bisme37** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:30 pm

Hey Hoopshype says we are the team set up to accomplish the most in the next 5 years.

#1 Boston Celtics

POSITIVES

* They have an All-NBA, MVP candidate, and star in Jayson Tatum, who is just 25 years old. They also have one of the best co-stars in Jaylen Brown who could probably lead his own team.

* They have a deep rotation (featuring Tatum, Marcus Smart, Derrick White, and Robert Williams III) all under team control.

* Aggressive and pragmatic front office willing to pay high prices for players that fit their mold.

* Enough draft picks to continue to upgrade the roster.

* Ownership has shown a willingness to go deep into the tax ($65 million penalty this season).

PITFALLS

* Brown can leave in free agency, extension limits would need to increase to secure his future now.

* Robert Williams‘ knee issues are already plaguing the team.

* The squad will get even more expensive quickly. Just how much more is ownership willing to spend two years from now?

* Yet to be prove if Joe Mazzulla is a good playoff coach.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/future-rankings-which-teams-will-accomplish-the-most-in-the-next-five-years/

Post #84 » by **Feed Your Head** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:54 pm

I’ll start this out with the obvious fact that Tatum needs to play a lot better than he has been, and more consistently. If we don’t get peak Tatum we aren’t winning anything, which everyone knows. People are definitely going way too far with it though lol, and yes I’m going to use Jaylens numbers as a comparison point, so suck it.

Stats in March

Tatum
29/10/5 on a 59% TS, +2.1 net rating with him on, and
+4.7 with him off, which them playing better with him off should never, ever, ever be the case lol. The “soft” stuff is straight up stupid though, he’s averaging over 9 FTA per game in March. This is Tatum sucking for his standards.

Jaylen
28/6/4 on a 59% TS, +1.8 net rating with him on, and +8.5 when he’s off. Now Jaylen has had some huge 4th quarters, and has clearly been more consistent.

This isn’t about comparing them as players, just showing the raw numbers and how the team has played with them in. A big part of why people are so frustrated with Tatum is because he has set the bar so high, that people are absolutely right when they call on him to play better, but some of the stuff is so far over the top and ridiculous lol. This is a matter of him needing to hit more shots, which the team desperately needs.

BK_2020 · Post #85 » by **BK_2020** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:38 pm

bisme37 wrote:Hey Hoopshype says we are the team set up to accomplish the most in the next 5 years.

#1 Boston Celtics

POSITIVES

* They have an All-NBA, MVP candidate, and star in Jayson Tatum, who is just 25 years old. They also have one of the best co-stars in Jaylen Brown who could probably lead his own team.

* They have a deep rotation (featuring Tatum, Marcus Smart, Derrick White, and Robert Williams III) all under team control.

* Aggressive and pragmatic front office willing to pay high prices for players that fit their mold.

* Enough draft picks to continue to upgrade the roster.

* Ownership has shown a willingness to go deep into the tax ($65 million penalty this season).

PITFALLS

* Brown can leave in free agency, extension limits would need to increase to secure his future now.

* Robert Williams‘ knee issues are already plaguing the team.

* The squad will get even more expensive quickly. Just how much more is ownership willing to spend two years from now?

* Yet to be prove if Joe Mazzulla is a good playoff coach.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/future-rankings-which-teams-will-accomplish-the-most-in-the-next-five-years/

haha those fools, how little they know. It's like they never even read the Celtics board.

tfribs45 · Post #86 » by **tfribs45** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:53 pm

Someone please explain to me why the Lake Show is potentially adding Thompson and we’re sitting on our hands waiting for Rob to get healthy. TT would def help this group out, especially with rebounding. Not sure if Celts would have that option?

bigfoot_cryptozoology · Post #87 » by **bigfoot_cryptozoology** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:45 am

There is one man who can save the Celtics and he's getting closer and closer to Boston....

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3pt % · Post #88 » by **3pt %** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:47 am

tfribs45 wrote:Someone please explain to me why the Lake Show is potentially adding Thompson and we’re sitting on our hands waiting for Rob to get healthy. TT would def help this group out, especially with rebounding. Not sure if Celts would have that option?

We've done the TT attempt. He's not the answer anymore.

BostonCouchGM · Post #89 » by **BostonCouchGM** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:31 am

we've essentially run the same system since Brad took over. It's about swinging the ball around to the wide open three point shooters. Nothing has changed despite different coaches except the guys we used to have shooting wide open threes (Crowder, Morris, Baynes, Theis, etc) have been replaced with better shooters. When we hit our threes we can beat anyone. When we don't we can lose to anyone. Sadly this is league wide and games are 3pt contests and the quality of play has plummeted. We just need to stay healthy.

ConstableGeneva · Post #90 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:44 pm

This was mentioned in the broadcast last night... Celtics became the first team in NBA history to have EIGHT guys making 100+ threes in a single season. And we still have 9 games left (not that Muscala's gonna become the 9th). The next teams have FIVE such players this season.

zoyathedestroya · Post #91 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:57 pm

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Keep sharing the ball. We got the most weapons and most depth since the last Kyrie season.

ConstableGeneva · Post #92 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Wed Mar 22, 2023 10:51 pm

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IINM, Bird-McHale pairing is 3rd on this list.

ConstableGeneva · Post #93 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:33 am

Cs on pace for highest win percentage since 2008-09 season. 3rd highest since Bird era.

Hal14 · Post #94 » by **Hal14** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:35 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:Cs on pace for highest win percentage since 2008-09 season. 3rd highest since Bird era.

Fire Joe, fire Brad. Trade everyone!

ConstableGeneva · Post #95 » by **ConstableGeneva** » Thu Mar 23, 2023 9:43 pm

Hal14 wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:Cs on pace for highest win percentage since 2008-09 season. 3rd highest since Bird era.

Fire Joe, fire Brad. Trade everyone!

I totally get the angst and disappointment whenever we lose. After making the Finals, expectations are higher. Fans are hoping for the guys to be more consistent and not to keep making the same mistakes. There's nothing wrong with that. People are unsure how Joe will perform in the postseason and that's natural. The calling for heads to roll are over the top lol.

ballup · Post #96 » by **ballup** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:27 am

Going to keep beating this dead horse, but this team really needs an energizer big like a Powe. Most would agree that this group is laid back instead of intense. Smart is the closest to an energy guy, but his vibe isn't the same as past seasons. There's no one who these guys look at and say "I need to match his energy". The guys do that to Tatum, but that's cause he's the leader. It's the accountability that Ime dished out.

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bucknersrevenge · Post #97 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:40 pm

ballup wrote:Going to keep beating this dead horse, but this team really needs an energizer big like a Powe. Most would agree that this group is laid back instead of intense. Smart is the closest to an energy guy, but his vibe isn't the same as past seasons. There's no one who these guys look at and say "I need to match his energy". The guys do that to Tatum, but that's cause he's the leader. It's the accountability that Ime dished out.

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I feel like our energy big is Rob. Rob just hasn't been healthy for much of this year. He brought plenty of energy and excitement last year with his vertical game at both ends. I'm looking for a skilled big. KAT, Porzingis, Collins, etc. Doesn't have to be any one of those but certainly the skillset they bring. Gallo would be great if he was about 3 years younger.

Post #98 » by **bisme37** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:42 pm

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ballup · Post #99 » by **ballup** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:05 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
ballup wrote:Going to keep beating this dead horse, but this team really needs an energizer big like a Powe. Most would agree that this group is laid back instead of intense. Smart is the closest to an energy guy, but his vibe isn't the same as past seasons. There's no one who these guys look at and say "I need to match his energy". The guys do that to Tatum, but that's cause he's the leader. It's the accountability that Ime dished out.

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I feel like our energy big is Rob. Rob just hasn't been healthy for much of this year. He brought plenty of energy and excitement last year with his vertical game at both ends. I'm looking for a skilled big. KAT, Porzingis, Collins, etc. Doesn't have to be any one of those but certainly the skillset they bring. Gallo would be great if he was about 3 years younger.

Play style wise, sure Rob fits that, but he doesn't give out that same energy on his approach. He's explosive, but at a calm demeanor most of the time. What I'm referring to is someone who is balls to the wall. That kind of hustle big

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zoyathedestroya · Post #100 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Fri Mar 24, 2023 8:37 pm

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Win a title and this shouldn’t matter.

If JB gets All-NBA, offer him the max. Can move him later if it doesn’t work out. He will still be in demand during his prime years God forbid a major injury.