Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)

[Larry_Russell]

Your irrational dislike for Jaylen aside, how can they grow if they aren't pushed to take the last shot of the game? More often than not the most important player at the end of the game was Marcus. Marcus Smart is a role player. Your captain should always be your leader, your best player. They were comfortable with Smart taking the final shot and Smart loved doing it which is a terrible combination. I'm just glad this core is finally broken up and the team can move on.

Thats false. Only time smart took them is when there was no choice. 1 option is always tatum, 2nd would be brown. Opposing teams can change that though.

Tatum has the highest usage in the clutch and regarding game winner attempted shots he takes the majority.

Thay narrative of smart taking final shots is just wrong

Nope. Its really not though. Look back at the games. Doesn't matter why he did it. The fact is more often than not Smart had the ball with the game on the line. The guy would also shoot 3s like he was Steph Curry. Really good role player but he will never be a star player. He is what he is and this organization spent years pumping his tires to the point that he felt he was on the same level as the other two.

wrong,

In this past playoff smart tied for the 4th most fga in the clutch time...converting on 57% of them (behind only Williams)
In the regular seaon he was 4th

you are just throwing out statements that are not true.

[zoyathedestroya]

If Cs extended Porzingis and Brown to their max, kept Brogdon, and signed two 10-year vets in 2024-25, we'd be at around $200M in salaries for 12 guys lol.

EDIT: In 2025-26, it's $160M between Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, and Timelord alone lol.

[BK_2020]

I don't think there ever was a time when Smart was higher than 4th on the team in FGA (or FGA + FT) per game. Maybe the 2nd half of 2022 season after Schroder got dealt.

[JaMarco]

If Cs extended Porzingis and Brown to their max, kept Brogdon, and signed two 10-year vets in 2024-25, we'd be at around $200M in salaries for 12 guys lol.

You think they will keep Brogdon now?

[Larry_Russell]

There will be no title until Brown is moved.

Agreed.

and after he signs this super max, the odds of moving him go way down.



I hold out hope that he still gets moved this offseason.

[zoyathedestroya]

If Cs extended Porzingis and Brown to their max, kept Brogdon, and signed two 10-year vets in 2024-25, we'd be at around $200M in salaries for 12 guys lol.

You think they will keep Brogdon now?

I think he gets traded midseason for expiring role players.

[Larry_Russell]

If Cs extended Porzingis and Brown to their max, kept Brogdon, and signed two 10-year vets in 2024-25, we'd be at around $200M in salaries for 12 guys lol.

You think they will keep Brogdon now?

I think he gets traded midseason for expiring role players.

has to be right?

Salary structure of this team right now is crippling.

He might stay if he has a deal involving brown in the works. (he would not be doing his due dilligence if he didnt at least listed to or look for offers.

[Larry_Russell]

Is it possible for Dallas to trade the player they picked July 1st in a sign and trade Grant deal?

I think as long as they dont ink Lively they can trade him right?



Rumors of brad wanting a top 10 pick
Rumors of Dallas wanting Grant
Dallas trading to make a TPE so they can get grant



It all seems to fit.....

[Celts17Pride]

If Cs extended Porzingis and Brown to their max, kept Brogdon, and signed two 10-year vets in 2024-25, we'd be at around $200M in salaries for 12 guys lol.

You think they will keep Brogdon now?

I personally think Brogdon's time in Boston is dwindling. Stevens will probably break Brogdon in two (no pun intended) and turn him into a couple of players on cheaper contracts. Stevens has the draft capital now to do so.

[Larry_Russell]

I had thought there would be more done last night. I was expecting a shock Jaylen trade or a big move up for a player they were targeting.

That’s not to say I’m upset, but now it seems like we will max Jaylen and do something with Grant. Where do we go with our guard position that is severely lacking after losing Smart and Brogdon (to injury)?

Who’s a FA out there for the TPMLE you’re coveting?

None for the taxpayer MLE


Perhaps we can get Suggs and Anthony from Orlando in a Grant Williams trade???

Aint great but Anthony can be a scorer off the bench, Horford there helps, Suggs has lots of potential...could work.


White/Anthony/Davidson
Brown/Suggs/Brogdon
Tatum/Hauser/Walsh
Porzingas/Horford/Griffin
Timelord/..../Muscala?

Flip pritchard for a checp athletic Williams backup(Mark Williams, Jericho sims)

[CelticsPride18]

If Cs extended Porzingis and Brown to their max, kept Brogdon, and signed two 10-year vets in 2024-25, we'd be at around $200M in salaries for 12 guys lol.

EDIT: In 2025-26, it's $160M between Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, and Timelord alone lol.

If they sign the extensions in July it affects 23-24 Cap???

[steefP2]

Is it possible for Dallas to trade the player they picked July 1st in a sign and trade Grant deal?

I think as long as they dont ink Lively they can trade him right?



Rumors of brad wanting a top 10 pick
Rumors of Dallas wanting Grant
Dallas trading to make a TPE so they can get grant



It all seems to fit.....

Highly unlikely we would take back salary in a grant trade; would put us over the 2nd apron and prevent us from using the tax payer mle. Grant is going to get sign and traded for minor draft capital most likely

[steefP2]

If Cs extended Porzingis and Brown to their max, kept Brogdon, and signed two 10-year vets in 2024-25, we'd be at around $200M in salaries for 12 guys lol.

EDIT: In 2025-26, it's $160M between Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, and Timelord alone lol.

If they sign the extensions in July it affects 23-24 Cap???

No that will just be their salaries for the upcoming season which is 31 mil for brown and 36 for KP. We’ll up at 182 mil for the coming season most likely; hardcapped at second apron

[Hal14]

Is it possible for Dallas to trade the player they picked July 1st in a sign and trade Grant deal?

I think as long as they dont ink Lively they can trade him right?



Rumors of brad wanting a top 10 pick
Rumors of Dallas wanting Grant
Dallas trading to make a TPE so they can get grant



It all seems to fit.....

Highly unlikely we would take back salary in a grant trade; would put us over the 2nd apron and prevent us from using the tax payer mle. Grant is going to get sign and traded for minor draft capital most likely

Oh snap. I didn't know we were that close to the 2nd apron. I thought we'd be able to sign and trade Grant for someone who made like $5-9 mil a so AND sign someone to the taxpayer MLE.

Or at least I thought that was one of the benefits of trading down last night from the 1st round into the 2nd..

What about if we trade Brogdon and don't take as much salary back? We shave a few million off in that deal..would we be able to S&T grant for a decent player (or maybe even resign Grant on a team friendly deal) AND sign someone to taxpayer MLE?

[Larry_Russell]

Is it possible for Dallas to trade the player they picked July 1st in a sign and trade Grant deal?

I think as long as they dont ink Lively they can trade him right?



Rumors of brad wanting a top 10 pick
Rumors of Dallas wanting Grant
Dallas trading to make a TPE so they can get grant



It all seems to fit.....

Highly unlikely we would take back salary in a grant trade; would put us over the 2nd apron and prevent us from using the tax payer mle. Grant is going to get sign and traded for minor draft capital most likely

Possibly, but there is no one out there worth the taxpayer MLE.

Use a vet min.


Right now

White/Brogdon/Pritchard/Davidson
brown
Tatum/Hauser/Walsh
Porzingas/Horford
Timelord/Kornet/Muscala


Moving Pritchard for a future pick saves the money

If you can get Lively at that salary, you take it. A young potential long term solution at center if Timelord doesnt work out is far more valuable than having Muscala as your 4th or 5th bigman.

But regarding the tax payerMLE, **** it. Brad has not mentioned that he was targetting someone i dont think. Just what was assumed by media during the draft.


There is no on out there that is worth having, imo. But this is the world we are going to live in now. Nothing but Vet mins and, this year at leat, tax payer mle.

[Hal14]

Is it possible for Dallas to trade the player they picked July 1st in a sign and trade Grant deal?

I think as long as they dont ink Lively they can trade him right?



Rumors of brad wanting a top 10 pick
Rumors of Dallas wanting Grant
Dallas trading to make a TPE so they can get grant



It all seems to fit.....

Highly unlikely we would take back salary in a grant trade; would put us over the 2nd apron and prevent us from using the tax payer mle. Grant is going to get sign and traded for minor draft capital most likely

Possibly, but there is no one out there worth the taxpayer MLE.

Use a vet min.


Right now

White/Brogdon/Pritchard/Davidson
brown
Tatum/Hauser/Walsh
Porzingas/Horford
Timelord/Kornet/Muscala

Muscala is a team option, so droping him save 3.5 million
Moving Pritchard for a future pick saves the money

If you can get Lively at that salary, you take it. A young potential long term solution at center if Timelord doesnt work out is far more valuable than having Muscala as your 4th or 5th bigman.

Muscala got traded in the Porzingis deal.

Our 4th big as of now is Kornet. And we could also sign Griffin to the veterans minimum again to be the 5th big.

Dallas isn't trading a top 10 pick for Grant Williams.

[chrisab123]

Thats false. Only time smart took them is when there was no choice. 1 option is always tatum, 2nd would be brown. Opposing teams can change that though.

Tatum has the highest usage in the clutch and regarding game winner attempted shots he takes the majority.

Thay narrative of smart taking final shots is just wrong

Nope. Its really not though. Look back at the games. Doesn't matter why he did it. The fact is more often than not Smart had the ball with the game on the line. The guy would also shoot 3s like he was Steph Curry. Really good role player but he will never be a star player. He is what he is and this organization spent years pumping his tires to the point that he felt he was on the same level as the other two.

wrong,

In this past playoff smart tied for the 4th most fga in the clutch time...converting on 57% of them (behind only Williams)
In the regular seaon he was 4th

you are just throwing out statements that are not true.

Disagree. Watch the games. Who takes the last shot? You seldom see Tatum or Brown doing it. You even said it yourself, the reason why he does that is because Tatum and Brown are covered or they had "no choice". Who shot the ball with the game on the line in the playoffs? Wasn't Brown and Wasn't Tatum. I get you're not pumped that Smart is gone but its going to make both of them better by not relying on someone else to finish a game. Smart was your finisher. You can't sit here and say the statement isn't true when we literally just watched this scenario play out vs Philly and Miami. Even Game 6 vs Miami when the season was on the line who took the shot? Yeah White tipped it in but who was it that took the shot? Game 4 in Philly...who took that shot. Game 7 vs Miami last year that the Celtics won, who almost shot them out of that game?

Again I like the player but his importance on offense here was magnified and you can't deny that. He wants to be Steph but he's not that guy. There's nothing wrong with being an excellent defensive guard with a little offense.

[steefP2]

We’re just not gonna get the nr 12 pick for grant Williams dunno what to tell youv

[CelticsPride18]

Now I believe we are trading PP. Get Donte with MLE to replace him. I don’t want to trade Brogdon just go all in this year

[steefP2]

Is it possible for Dallas to trade the player they picked July 1st in a sign and trade Grant deal?

I think as long as they dont ink Lively they can trade him right?



Rumors of brad wanting a top 10 pick
Rumors of Dallas wanting Grant
Dallas trading to make a TPE so they can get grant



It all seems to fit.....

Highly unlikely we would take back salary in a grant trade; would put us over the 2nd apron and prevent us from using the tax payer mle. Grant is going to get sign and traded for minor draft capital most likely

Oh snap. I didn't know we were that close to the 2nd apron. I thought we'd be able to sign and trade Grant for someone who made like $5-9 mil a so AND sign someone to the taxpayer MLE.

Or at least I thought that was one of the benefits of trading down last night from the 1st round into the 2nd..

What about if we trade Brogdon and don't take as much salary back? We shave a few million off in that deal..would we be able to S&T grant for a decent player (or maybe even resign Grant on a team friendly deal) AND sign someone to taxpayer MLE?

The benefit of trading back was able to use the tpmle at all; cause otherwise it would’ve taken us past the second apron which is illegal since you lose the tpmle if you pass the second apron. Now we just have enough space to use the tpmle, sign Walsh and a minimum I believe.

Trading brogdon helps somewhat but not that much because with the new league year the new cba comes into effect and for tax teams like us; matching salary has to be 110% instead of 125 so we need to take back 20.5 mil in salary back if we trade brogdon, so that’s only 2 mil in savings.

I doubt brogdon gets moved before the deadline anyway