2024 NBA Draft Thread, part 2 – (June 26 & 27)

[brackdan70]

Trade down and pick Dadiet and Bona.

That would be a fantastic draft imo.

[Celts17Pride]

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[165bows]

Trading down into the second round really does not add that much more financial flexibility. The rookie scale for the 30th pick this year is like 2.0 million, assuming the guys signs for 120% scale that's a deal starting at about 2.4 million for the 30th pick. For comparison the 35th pick last year signed for a deal starting at 1.6 million. We're talking 800K in salary savings. Now you CAN get more creative on the deal in terms of guarantees and options, but high second round picks usually get the first two years guaranteed anyway. So really, there's not much different unless you trade down to around 40 in which case guys will sign for a bit less, like Jordan Walsh last year.

But really all it is tax savings, trading down just to save some money would be a tad bit disappointing when the salary of the 30th vs 40th pick makes no difference in terms of what the team can actually do roster construction wise. If they do trade 30 it should be because they get good value for it.

Considering they proactively added Jaden Springer’s next years $4 million salary at last trade deadline rather than pick at 41 which a draftee picked 41 would start at like $1.1 million, they can’t be too concerned about the books.

I tend to agree they will spend more than a lot of people think.

But there is another element of roster spots - I don't think they can put a 1st rounder on a two-way whereas they can agree to that with a second rounder. So if they trade back they can add the guy on a two-way and save a roster spot, otherwise roster space is pretty darn tight.

[Curmudgeon]

I'll say it again. There will be pleasant surprises in this year's second round and very few in the first round. The first ten picks are not particularly strong and there will be plenty of sleepers later on. The people doing mock drafts are all over the place.

It's a good time to be in the second round, and I think the Celtics will be one of many teams looking to trade out of the first round. Stevens' talent evaluations have been spot on ever since he became the GM, and I expect him to find at least one sleeper.

[Homerclease]

Trading down into the second round really does not add that much more financial flexibility. The rookie scale for the 30th pick this year is like 2.0 million, assuming the guys signs for 120% scale that's a deal starting at about 2.4 million for the 30th pick. For comparison the 35th pick last year signed for a deal starting at 1.6 million. We're talking 800K in salary savings. Now you CAN get more creative on the deal in terms of guarantees and options, but high second round picks usually get the first two years guaranteed anyway. So really, there's not much different unless you trade down to around 40 in which case guys will sign for a bit less, like Jordan Walsh last year.

But really all it is tax savings, trading down just to save some money would be a tad bit disappointing when the salary of the 30th vs 40th pick makes no difference in terms of what the team can actually do roster construction wise. If they do trade 30 it should be because they get good value for it.

Considering they proactively added Jaden Springer’s next years $4 million salary at last trade deadline rather than pick at 41 which a draftee picked 41 would start at like $1.1 million, they can’t be too concerned about the books.

I tend to agree they will spend more than a lot of people think.

But there is another element of roster spots - I don't think they can put a 1st rounder on a two-way whereas they can agree to that with a second rounder. So if they trade back they can add the guy on a two-way and save a roster spot, otherwise roster space is pretty darn tight.

Brissett opting out may have given them the green light to stay in the first though. Especially if he gets a bigger offer from another club and bolts

[djFan71]

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Around 14:45 they get into his shooting. Form on the 3 combine shots looks good, so... problem solved!
21:00 mark they talk about post defense when being undersized.
OK, I think I'll stop Mogbo posts (for now). We haven't even brought him in as of yet.

EDIT: We have brought him in.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/

[return2glory]

Not hyped about the draft for a few reasons. Main reason is I expect Brad to trade out of the 1st round like he has in the past few years. It's the right thing to do because we don't want that guaranteed 1st round contract on the books. That money has been spend wisely to pay out top 1-8.

Also, we don't have minutes available right now. Springer, Walsh, Peterson and Queta are good players. It's hard for them to get minutes here. Drew Peterson was one of my sleeper picks in last years draft that I wanted us to get. Brad got him during the season. People underestimate Springer, Walsh, Peterson and Queta.

Yes we all want a really good big that can replace Al in a year or two. We all know KP is really really good, but he isn't available 25-40% of the time. Brad and the owners spent a lot of money on our top 1-8 and it worked out. I would be surprised if we keep the 1st round pick or move up.

[redslastlaugh]

Speculation that Celts could package their first round pick for a “veteran big man.” If this speculation is sourced, the two big men that come to my mind that would work under the 2nd apron trade rules are

Dayron Sharpe
Santi Aldama

Jaden Springer + #30 for one of these bigs would be my speculation …

NBC Sports Boston Darren Hartwell points out that while the previous drafts picking late in the round have served well -- Payton Pritchard and Robert Williams, for example -- there's no guarantee Boston even picks at the No. 30 pick if the right big man emerges on the trade market.

“Boston has had success in the back half of the draft before, selecting Robert Williams 27th overall in 2018 and Payton Pritchard at No. 26 in 2020, so there's a case to be made for trying to replicate that success in this draft,” Hartwell prefaced before saying, “On the other hand, the Celtics are in full "win now" mode, so if they can package the No. 30 pick in a deal that lands them a veteran big man, for example, that would be hard to turn down.”

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/posts/boston-celtics-trade-no-30-pick-veteran-big-man-reporter

[redslastlaugh]

Jake Fischer from Yahoo Sports adding some fuel to the fire in his latest column. Nets are talking about trading into the draft, Celtics one of the teams they’re talking too.

Brooklyn trading in?

The Nets have been active in attempts to try to trade into this week’s draft, according to league sources, as Brooklyn does not currently own a selection. The Nets have called front offices with selections as early as the 20s, sources said, as many teams appear to be open for business to move out of the first entirely, down a flew slots or into the second round.

Phoenix at No. 22, New York at No. 25, Minnesota at No. 27, Utah at No. 29, and Boston with No. 30 are weighing various trade scenarios, sources said, in both directions along the draft board.

https://sports.yahoo.com/with-new-coach-jj-redick-at-the-helm-the-lakers-draft-strategy-beginning-to-take-shape-232824674.html

[djFan71]

Jake Fischer from Yahoo Sports adding some fuel to the fire in his latest column. Nets are talking about trading into the draft, Celtics one of the teams they’re talking too.

Brooklyn trading in?

The Nets have been active in attempts to try to trade into this week’s draft, according to league sources, as Brooklyn does not currently own a selection. The Nets have called front offices with selections as early as the 20s, sources said, as many teams appear to be open for business to move out of the first entirely, down a flew slots or into the second round.

Phoenix at No. 22, New York at No. 25, Minnesota at No. 27, Utah at No. 29, and Boston with No. 30 are weighing various trade scenarios, sources said, in both directions along the draft board.

https://sports.yahoo.com/with-new-coach-jj-redick-at-the-helm-the-lakers-draft-strategy-beginning-to-take-shape-232824674.html

3 unprotected picks and 2 swaps for 30.

[Celts17Pride]

The more I think about it the Celtics with all the uncertainty with Porzingis, Kornet and Tillman probably have to come away with a big man one way or another in this draft

[fallguy]

The more I think about it the Celtics with all the uncertainty with Porzingis, Kornet and Tillman probably have to come away with a big man one way or another in this draft

It's our biggest vulnerability.

Alternatively maybe there's a PP trade for a backup big looming and we draft a PG.

[Shak_Celts]

OSO LOVELY!!

[Fierce1]

Oso boring draft for the Cs.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[Shak_Celts]

Oso boring draft for the Cs.

Watch your mouth! Future HOF and I’m calling it NOW!

[165bows]

Speculation that Celts could package their first round pick for a “veteran big man.” If this speculation is sourced, the two big men that come to my mind that would work under the 2nd apron trade rules are

Dayron Sharpe
Santi Aldama

Jaden Springer + #30 for one of these bigs would be my speculation …

NBC Sports Boston Darren Hartwell points out that while the previous drafts picking late in the round have served well -- Payton Pritchard and Robert Williams, for example -- there's no guarantee Boston even picks at the No. 30 pick if the right big man emerges on the trade market.

“Boston has had success in the back half of the draft before, selecting Robert Williams 27th overall in 2018 and Payton Pritchard at No. 26 in 2020, so there's a case to be made for trying to replicate that success in this draft,” Hartwell prefaced before saying, “On the other hand, the Celtics are in full "win now" mode, so if they can package the No. 30 pick in a deal that lands them a veteran big man, for example, that would be hard to turn down.”

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/posts/boston-celtics-trade-no-30-pick-veteran-big-man-reporter

Spoiler:

Christian Wood

[Dogen]

Speculation that Celts could package their first round pick for a “veteran big man.” If this speculation is sourced, the two big men that come to my mind that would work under the 2nd apron trade rules are

Dayron Sharpe
Santi Aldama

Jaden Springer + #30 for one of these bigs would be my speculation …

NBC Sports Boston Darren Hartwell points out that while the previous drafts picking late in the round have served well -- Payton Pritchard and Robert Williams, for example -- there's no guarantee Boston even picks at the No. 30 pick if the right big man emerges on the trade market.

“Boston has had success in the back half of the draft before, selecting Robert Williams 27th overall in 2018 and Payton Pritchard at No. 26 in 2020, so there's a case to be made for trying to replicate that success in this draft,” Hartwell prefaced before saying, “On the other hand, the Celtics are in full "win now" mode, so if they can package the No. 30 pick in a deal that lands them a veteran big man, for example, that would be hard to turn down.”

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/posts/boston-celtics-trade-no-30-pick-veteran-big-man-reporter

I'd have a hard time saying no to that package for Aldama. He's not the greatest defender, but having another stretch big off the bench would be a plus. I wonder if Memphis played him a Tillman together much.

[Celts17Pride]

Speculation that Celts could package their first round pick for a “veteran big man.” If this speculation is sourced, the two big men that come to my mind that would work under the 2nd apron trade rules are

Dayron Sharpe
Santi Aldama

Jaden Springer + #30 for one of these bigs would be my speculation …

NBC Sports Boston Darren Hartwell points out that while the previous drafts picking late in the round have served well -- Payton Pritchard and Robert Williams, for example -- there's no guarantee Boston even picks at the No. 30 pick if the right big man emerges on the trade market.

“Boston has had success in the back half of the draft before, selecting Robert Williams 27th overall in 2018 and Payton Pritchard at No. 26 in 2020, so there's a case to be made for trying to replicate that success in this draft,” Hartwell prefaced before saying, “On the other hand, the Celtics are in full "win now" mode, so if they can package the No. 30 pick in a deal that lands them a veteran big man, for example, that would be hard to turn down.”

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/posts/boston-celtics-trade-no-30-pick-veteran-big-man-reporter

Spoiler:

Christian Wood

Santi Aldama would be nice. Don't know if that is possible.

[Celts17Pride]

If Brad Stevens is going to keep giving away 1st round picks then he might as well put 2024 and 2026 1st round picks together and go get something good.