Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:DarkAzcura wrote:Smart2Nesmith43 wrote:Oh look the Celtics keep sending out picks to get rid of legit NBA players but people are going to keep pretending that Bill Chisholm is serious about winning and that the cost cutting moves were about the "basketball penalties" of the second apron. Well at least Bill's accountant is happy. Good luck to Georges Niang on his new team.
I’m still confused by posts like this, no offense (honestly). Do people actually want to win this season? We need a way to lose while keeping Brown, White, and PP. Depleting the bigs and reducing depth to players on rookie contracts is how you do it.
I’ll be more worried about this when Tatum is back, and they still operate this way.
I'm a Boston Celtics fan not a Bill Chisholm's accountants fan. I care more about the product the Celtics put on the floor than the balance sheet of the owner's personal estate. So yes to answer your question I root for the Celtics to win basketball games. Not sure why that's a controversial take here.
People have been telling me everything is fine, the new owners are going to spend money, they just want to get out the second apron for basketball reasons. My point has been from the moment the ownership group was announced that these are not people that care about spending money to win NBA championships, no matter the amount of PR spin they want to apply. Excuse me if I don't cheer the systemic destruction of the best team the Celtics have had in the last 15+ years so that the vulture capitalists from Sixth Street can line their pockets. Today is another piece of evidence that I'm a lot closer to the truth than those folks considering the Celtics just threw away a couple picks to get rid of salary AFTER they already dipped below the second apron (and spoiler alert, I don't think they are done).
But fine let's accept your premise that the Celtics should aim to lose games this season and that somehow Georges Niang was going to win them too many games. Why throw assets out the door to get rid of him ? Just tell him to stay home or cut him. This was done with a single goal in mind which is to shed his salary and considering the Celtics were already below the second apron there was no reason to do so. Except to save the owners money. Why are you happy the Celtics are throwing away picks to save the owners money instead of using them to improve the team when you seem so invested in tanking and the draft in general ?
I have no idea what the owners are going to do. That is a separate conversation.
The conversation is what do teams do in the modern CBA with such harsh penalties that are not only financial and actually affect team building? This impacts owners who are willing to spend as much as possible as well. Whether the new owners are willing to spend when the time comes is for another time and is very TBD.
As it is now, the Celtics potentially want a 10-15 year window (in total. We are already at year 8) with Tatum and Brown. How do we make sure there is a championship level core around those two when healthy? I think we can all agree that Porzingis, Horford, and Jrue were not going to cut it two years from now, right? Okay, if we agree on that, what is the point in having them on the roster right now when penalties are about to hit? You can reset the apron and give the team flexibility when the team is actually ready to spend again. This has nothing to do with being an accountant or caring about the owner’s pockets. I have no idea if this dude will spend. I don’t see why anyone would defend him knowing nothing about him.
In the end, getting under the apron is necessary if this team ever wants to win with Tatum and Brown ever again. The way this works is, teams can spend for 3-4 years, then they have to reset for a couple, and then they have flexibility to trade and make some more moves again for another few years. Not getting under the apron this season is not only financially irresponsible, it is irresponsible if we ever want to contend with this core again.
I’ve never really been for tanking or soft tanking, but it is a no brainer this year. We need a good draft pick to even have a shot at trading for an all star to add to Tatum and Brown. We can’t combine players in trades to get to the salary we need to unless we get under the apron. It’s all related. If we want to trade a good draft pick + multiple players for an all star next summer, getting under the apron is just plain necessary.
This isn’t like 10-15-20 years ago, where an owner not spending into the luxury tax is a sign of a cheap owner. There weren’t strong negative team building implications for being in the tax in prior CBAs. There is now.
