"A Nation Divided, Sports United" ~ The Equality & Other Issues Thread

[theman]

Curt Schilling was supporting slavery.

The Confederate flag is not a symbol of racism it is a symbol of rebellion. Something the left used to embrace.

[DarkAzcura]

Curt Schilling was supporting slavery.

The Confederate flag is not a symbol of racism it is a symbol of rebellion. Something the left used to embrace.

Riiiiiiight. You keep telling yourself that.

It's a symbol of slavery. Get over it, lol. This isn't an opinion. Racism will never be opinion.

[theman]

I would like to know people's opinions of the Wheaton College Women's Soccer team have to forfeit games because one of their players went to a Halloween party dress as a movie character.

[theman]

Curt Schilling was supporting slavery.

The Confederate flag is not a symbol of racism it is a symbol of rebellion. Something the left used to embrace.

Riiiiiiight. You keep telling yourself that.

It's a symbol of slavery. Get over it, lol. This isn't an opinion. Racism will never be opinion.

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[fallguy]

However, the flag's most lasting legacy -- and the source of much of the controversy today -- can be traced to its use as a symbol of "Massive Resistance" by the Dixiecrats beginning in 1948 and continuing through the Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 60s. During that period, the flag became the standard for those committed to defending classrooms, bus depots, and other public spaces (now battlefields themselves) from black encroachment.

In fact, the flag's use throughout the 20th century covered a time span significantly longer than its presence on Civil War battlefields. Its placement atop southern statehouses like South Carolina ultimately reinforced the flag's connection to segregation and racism.

From: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/08/americas-simple-minded-obsession-with-the-confederate-flag/261236/

[OFWGKTA]

I would like to know people's opinions of the Wheaton College Women's Soccer team have to forfeit a game because one of their players went to a Halloween party in black face as part of coordinated costume with other players, and then attempted to cover it up.

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[theman]

[OFWGKTA]

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Kanye's an idiot, next question.

[theman]

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Kanye's an idiot, next question.

Something we can agree on.

[3D Chess]

[truth18]

Ethered.

Spoiler:

OG Kanye hater right here. Been hating Kanye since his second album.

[fallguy]

I would like to know people's opinions of the Wheaton College Women's Soccer team have to forfeit a game because one of their players went to a Halloween party in black face as part of coordinated costume with other players, and then attempted to cover it up.

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The fact this idea was originally brought up in this thread absent all the important context says a lot about the person who brought it up.

[theman]

I would like to know people's opinions of the Wheaton College Women's Soccer team have to forfeit a game because one of their players went to a Halloween party in black face as part of coordinated costume with other players, and then attempted to cover it up.

Fixed

The fact this idea was originally brought up in this thread absent all the important context says a lot about the person who brought it up.

WHITE CHICKS!

In addition to that, why punish the entire team? Did the entire team go in black face? This would be like the 49ers having to forfeit all their games.

And are we not back to only certain people are allowed to be offended?

[jmr07019]

Curt Schilling was supporting slavery.

The Confederate flag is not a symbol of racism it is a symbol of rebellion. Something the left used to embrace.

The confederate flag is a symbol of racism.

[jmr07019]

I would like to know people's opinions of the Wheaton College Women's Soccer team have to forfeit games because one of their players went to a Halloween party dress as a movie character.

Everything that's wrong with Dems in a nutshell.

[truth18]

Fixed

The fact this idea was originally brought up in this thread absent all the important context says a lot about the person who brought it up.

WHITE CHICKS!

[Slartibartfast]

It's not happening because the courts are shutting this stuff down left and right, but that doesn't absolve the republicans of blame for attempting to do some truly awful things. As a minority who had to watch her mom rush to get her citizenship over the last year even though she has a green card, just because Trump and the republicans are seriously ridiculously xenophobic completely shades my view point. Maybe you would say that's overkill for my mom to do, but that was a post to give you an idea of how immigrants feel right now.

Also I didn't say they were all evil. I said they were either ignorant, selfish, or evil. If a republican doesn't have questionable views on race issues, I don't consider that person evil, but I do think the core of the party has questionable views engrained in them which makes support for that core either ignorant or morally evil. I think there are plenty of republicans who don't realize how questionable the core of their party is from a morality stand point or do not even truly understand what racism is, which reeks of ignorance to me. Then there are those who totally buy into it (the alt-right), and I consider those people evil, which unfortunately is the Trump administration.

Trump still has a what? Like 65+% approval rate with the republican base? If his approval rate is that high even with all the xenophobic and racist stuff he has tried to pull, forgive me for calling out the party for being partly evil.

I don't think it is dramatic at all. I think not calling it for what it is, is the real issue. That's what allows republicans to go around fear mongering about immigrants and the like. We need to call it evil. It just is. We can't have a party in this country that tries to push these viewpoints as though it is a rightful political opinion.

I'm glad your mother has gotten her citizenship.

I'm going to put this in a little perspective. Every country in the world has immigration law. The US is a representative form of government where officials are elected to enact laws and policies for the country. If you think that is 'seriously ridiculously xenophobic' I suggest looking at other countries' systems. Go to Cuba or China and let me know where on the scale of ridiculous xenophobia you feel they fall on. Your calibration on these terms may need some examination.

My point is this is a suggestion that people back away from the ledge of dramatism a bit and allow others their rights to their representative government without slandering them, which is what you are doing and that quite frankly for most people is undeserved.

I don't care about Cuba's or China's politics. I am in the United States where we should all be equal. That attempted Muslim ban on specific countries was straight up racist. There were people with green cards (perfectly legal permanent residents) and visas being blocked from entry to the US after that attempted ban. Their desire for a wall on the Mexican-US border is fueled by racist ideology. No backing down from that. If we aren't wiling to calling it what it is, Republicans will continue with their awful "political viewpoints".

Yeah, most of this stuff keeps getting blocked, but it's really no thanks to a majority of Republicans who are essentially wasting our time with backwards ideology.

Also, I'm not slandering people who don't give a crap about me because I am not white. It's just truth. Sorry if it hurts for you to hear that, but that's some serious spin you got going on in your post (not really appreciating the accusation of slandering). I'm not stopping anyone from having their rights to a representative government. What a ridiculous take. I think your views on racism and xenophobia are in serious need of re-examination if you think this is all "over-dramatized." One of Trump's biggest advisers was essentially the owner of Brietbart, a source of alt-right news, aka basically white nationalism. That's who Republicans allowed to become president. I don't even want to get into Jeff Sessions. This country let a bunch of white nationalists into the White House. They just don't care about people like me. That's not over-dramatization. You need to wake up if you think minorities are "over-dramatizing" these issues. Don't belittle the issues instead.

I have no idea what it is, whether it is selfishness, ignorance, or pure evil, but something is preventing the Republican party from seriously acknowledging the race issues they have within their party. It needs to be called out on and fixed, and the other side shouldn't be told they are over-dramatizing a very real issue that hits the core of a major political party in this country. So what do you want me to say? Sure, a lot of Republicans are not inherently racist or evil, but they continue to vote in racists so how does that make them any better exactly? In some ways it is even worse.

To the bolded, which is really what this whole argument revolves around: the question with immigration policy is who is "we"?

Does everyone in the world have an equal right to be an American resident or citizen? Or do Americans share equal rights that we don't share equally with everyone else?

It's also important to parse out nationality and race, so we're not just carpet-bombing the landscape with cries of racism.

South Korea is a country where 99+% of the nation is the same race and ethnicity. It makes sense to conflate race and nation in that case.

Not so much with the modern US, which is roughly 60% non-Hispanic white, 17% Hispanic, 13% black, and 5% Asian. The pre-60s set-up of 90/10 biracial country with overwhelmingly dominant white supermajority is dead and gone. To be a modern American nationalist is very far removed from white nationalism. The American nationalists explicitly desire racial unity, even if you want to decry that unity as perpetuating the dominance of historically oppressive white culture. The white nationalists (and the black nationalists for that matter) want race war leading to either segregation or secession. Big difference.

[fallguy]

Fixed

The fact this idea was originally brought up in this thread absent all the important context says a lot about the person who brought it up.

WHITE CHICKS!

In addition to that, why punish the entire team? Did the entire team go in black face? This would be like the 49ers having to forfeit all their games.

And are we not back to only certain people are allowed to be offended?

“That a student at our college chose to wear blackface as part of a racist and offensive Halloween costume raises difficult issues for all of us,” Wheaton president Dennis Hanno wrote in a letter to students and staff at the liberal arts college in Norton.

“I am particularly dismayed that this student did not act alone, but was part of a group of other individuals who actively participated in this event and then attempted to cover it up,” Hanno wrote. “This runs counter to the value that our community places on creating an inclusive and welcoming educational environment.”

The issue here is either:

1) You are incapable of understanding what is important context to provide to engage in an honest debate, or

2) You are incapable of rising to the level of debate in this thread due to biases or other deficiencies.

[theman]

Curt Schilling was supporting slavery.

The Confederate flag is not a symbol of racism it is a symbol of rebellion. Something the left used to embrace.

The confederate flag is a symbol of racism.

I could be wrong but if you asked people who sport the confederate flag if it is for racism or rebellion I think more would say rebellion. But I could be wrong.

[OFWGKTA]

I would like to know people's opinions of the Wheaton College Women's Soccer team have to forfeit games because one of their players went to a Halloween party dress as a movie character.

Everything that's wrong with Dems in a nutshell.

Curt Schilling was supporting slavery.

The Confederate flag is not a symbol of racism it is a symbol of rebellion. Something the left used to embrace.

The confederate flag is a symbol of racism.

So the Confederate flag a symbol of racism, but wearing blackface isn't?