Trade Ideas Thread, 2020-21

[Green89]

I'm sticking with us getting Dipo and Turner. We'll see what happens. I doubt Hayward gets traded anywhere else but Indy. Depends on who goes out with Hayward, but getting Dipo, who is the late game scorer we needed, bigger guard and not a defensive liability, and Turner, who would be a big Theis upgrade, we'll have a much better team going into the playoffs than last year. Not sure how anyone can argue that.

[SmartWentCrazy]

More fun:

Bam had a net rating of +21 in the playoffs vs the Pacers with Turner on and a net rating of +13 with Turner off.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628389&VsPlayerID=1626167&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&OpponentTeamID=1610612754

Bam had a net rating of 0 vs the Celtics with Theis on and a net rating of +3 with him off.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628389&VsPlayerID=1628464&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&OpponentTeamID=1610612738

But yes, lets go on and pretend that Turner is something he’s not.

[100proof]

Turner put up 12ppg, 6.5rpg, 1apg
39 nba players did that.


Know how many players put up at least 17.5ppg, 6.5rpg and 4apg per game this past season?
12
Kawhi, Lebron, Butler are the only other Small Forwards to accomplish it,.

Know how many did that on 50% and 39%?
1
Gordon Hayward

A fluke broken hand and a sprained ankle this season is the only real injuries he had, so cannot argue his is "injury prone" because they were both just flukes that can happen, and does happen, to any player at any time.

Hayward is a very good player who has had some bad luck.


Turner is a downgrade in every single statistical category to Theis other than Blocks and 3pointers attempted. Boston doesn't need extra blocks and do not need extra 3pters attempted as they ranked 5th and 13th respectively as a team in those areas.

Not sure Turner is a top 10 center:
1) Davis
2) Embiid
3) jokic
4) Nurkic
5) KP
6) Gobert
7) Towns
8) Bam
9) Vuc
10) Aldridge
11) Harrell
12) Drummond
13) Ibaka
14) Jonas
15) capela

Who on the list do you put Turner above right now?

Why downgrade from Hayward to no Hayward for Turner who only improves our 3pters attempted from our center and gives us an extra block per game while losing out in every single other category????

Celtics are better off continuing to groom Timelord behind Theis who is already a superior rebounder, a superior passer, a superior shot blocker, a superior defender is a super athlete and can switch onto guards.

[100proof]

I'm sticking with us getting Dipo and Turner. We'll see what happens. I doubt Hayward gets traded anywhere else but Indy. Depends on who goes out with Hayward, but getting Dipo, who is the late game scorer we needed, bigger guard and not a defensive liability, and Turner, who would be a big Theis upgrade, we'll have a much better team going into the playoffs than last year. Not sure how anyone can argue that.

Dont want either. If that is the return then keep hayward or flip them for a high pick.

They probably want to keep Dipo to raise his value and maybe resign him. and IMO Dipo and Hayward and Sabonis is a good trio.

Give me Brogdon and whatever else is needed to match salary
then Trade off Kemba (NYK for #8 and a large TPE)


Hayward to Indiana (5 mill in savings)
out: Brogdon, Lamb, McDermott

Kemba, Poirier, edwards #26 to NYK
out: DSJ, #8

DSJ, Brogdon, McDermott, Lamb and #8 to Boston
out: Hayward, Kemba, Edwards, Poirier

Brogdon/DSJ
Smart/Romeo
Brown/Lamb
Tatum/McDermott/GrantW
Theis/Timelord

#8, #14, #30 28 million dollar TPE to make more moves.

Best defense in the NBA with that lineup.

[SmartWentCrazy]

With all of this said, Indy isnt trading Turner for Hayward— they’d rightfully want much more. At the same time, we shouldnt be spending those assets on Turner because he doesnt give us the upgrade we need.

[Floody100]

With all of this said, Indy isnt trading Turner for Hayward— they’d rightfully want much more. At the same time, we shouldnt be spending those assets on Turner because he doesnt give us the upgrade we need.

You’ve just contradicted yourself there mate.

[100proof]

With all of this said, Indy isnt trading Turner for Hayward— they’d rightfully want much more. At the same time, we shouldnt be spending those assets on Turner because he doesnt give us the upgrade we need.

I agree. Not sure why some value Turner so high. I just dont see it

[ConstableGeneva]

I think it's just Oladipo (and non-Turner filler) on the way out if Indiana is indeed trying to trade for Hayward. Expiring for expiring. I want no part of Dipo. So find me a third team that can give us a better player on a longer contract and/or a high pick/young prospect.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

C’s had a deal for Paul George on draft night but Pritchard backed out. Ainge then had a deal lined up to trade up for Donovan Mitchell as well.

As much as people hate on him for drafting and what not (which I disagree with), Celtics front office is great at talent evaluation. Loved Herro this past draft, nailed the Brown and Tatum picks, and loved Mitchell as well

Not doubting the legitimacy of this, but how could something so right have gone so wrong? Also, why are we only hearing about this deal for Mitchell now?

Insiders on this board confirmed that we had a deal that was agreed to in principle for George on draft day - PG for Crowder, Bradley and 3 1st rounders. The only kicker was that the trade could not be finalized until we signed Hayward as a free agent due to the fact that we needed to preserve the cap space.

The part about Mitchell was mentioned by Simmons later on in the year. He said that the Celtics really liked him and figured that we had enough to move up and draft him.

Had we not committed those 3 1st rounders to Indiana, we could have very well used them to move up during the draft to swap with Denver.

[100proof]

I think it's just Oladipo (and non-Turner filler) on the way out if Indiana is indeed trying to trade for Hayward. Expiring for expiring. I want no part of Dipo. So find me a third team that can give us a better player on a longer contract and/or a high pick/young prospect.

Dipo to NYK for pick number 8 could work

Haliburton or Isaac should be there at #8.

Hayward to Indiana
Dipo, Edwards and 26 to NYK
Warren, McDermott and #8 to Boston (includes 16.5 million TPE)

Kemba/
Smart/Romeo
Brown/McDermott
Tatum/Warren/GrantW
Theis/Timelord/Poirier

#8, #14, #30, MLE, 16.5 mill TPE left

[Curmudgeon]

With all of this said, Indy isnt trading Turner for Hayward— they’d rightfully want much more. At the same time, we shouldnt be spending those assets on Turner because he doesnt give us the upgrade we need.

No they wouldn't. They are trading for a $32M expiring contract to get long-term money off their books. They are stripping down for a rebuild, Hinkie style, and I doubt if the Pacers care if Hayward plays a single minute for them.

If Kanter opts in, we could throw him into the deal and that would give the pacers around $37M in expiring contracts. It's Ainge who should be asking for extra compensation, not Pritchard.

[BK_2020]

Turner would be nice on a tax MLE to play 25 mpg as the 5th option. He is grossly overpaid as it is. Turner is currently the 5th option in Indy below Vic, Brogdon, Sabonis, and Warren. Despite his supposed good defense he can't see the floor on starter minutes. He's bad money and the Pacers know it.

[Darth Celtic]

Gonna be fun watching all the pacer dans that have recently talked down hayward and talked up their assets screech at what will happen.

I"m waiting to hear from Pacers Bobs, Janes, Bills, And Johns.

[Green89]

More fun:

Bam had a net rating of +21 in the playoffs vs the Pacers with Turner on and a net rating of +13 with Turner off.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628389&VsPlayerID=1626167&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&OpponentTeamID=1610612754

Bam had a net rating of 0 vs the Celtics with Theis on and a net rating of +3 with him off.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628389&VsPlayerID=1628464&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&OpponentTeamID=1610612738

But yes, lets go on and pretend that Turner is something he’s not.

So the other 4 players on the floor for each team, defensive sets laid out by the coach, other players botching switches, who's scoring on offense for each team at the time, all have nothing to do with it? These net ratings were all on Turner?? As someone already pointed out, overall numbers were much higher for Bam against us than in the Indy series, but I still wouldn't use that to compare Theis vs. Turner.

[SmartWentCrazy]

C’s had a deal for Paul George on draft night but Pritchard backed out. Ainge then had a deal lined up to trade up for Donovan Mitchell as well.

As much as people hate on him for drafting and what not (which I disagree with), Celtics front office is great at talent evaluation. Loved Herro this past draft, nailed the Brown and Tatum picks, and loved Mitchell as well

Not doubting the legitimacy of this, but how could something so right have gone so wrong? Also, why are we only hearing about this deal for Mitchell now?

Insiders on this board confirmed that we had a deal that was agreed to in principle for George on draft day - PG for Crowder, Bradley and 3 1st rounders. The only kicker was that the trade could not be finalized until we signed Hayward as a free agent due to the fact that we needed to preserve the cap space.

The part about Mitchell was mentioned by Simmons later on in the year. He said that the Celtics really liked him and figured that we had enough to move up and draft him.

Had we not committed those 3 1st rounders to Indiana, we could have very well used them to move up during the draft to swap with Denver.

Believe it was Crowder that was headlining that package as Denver was desperate for a wing at the time.

[SmartWentCrazy]

More fun:

Bam had a net rating of +21 in the playoffs vs the Pacers with Turner on and a net rating of +13 with Turner off.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628389&VsPlayerID=1626167&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&OpponentTeamID=1610612754

Bam had a net rating of 0 vs the Celtics with Theis on and a net rating of +3 with him off.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628389&VsPlayerID=1628464&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&OpponentTeamID=1610612738

But yes, lets go on and pretend that Turner is something he’s not.

So the other 4 players on the floor for each team, defensive sets laid out by the coach, other players botching switches, who's scoring on offense for each team at the time, all have nothing to do with it? These net ratings were all on Turner?? As someone already pointed out, overall numbers were much higher for Bam against us than in the Indy series, but I still wouldn't use that to compare Theis vs. Turner.

They were worse with Turner, mate. Hes not a bam stopper. Or good vs any true big, our current weakness

[Green89]

More fun:

Bam had a net rating of +21 in the playoffs vs the Pacers with Turner on and a net rating of +13 with Turner off.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628389&VsPlayerID=1626167&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&OpponentTeamID=1610612754

Bam had a net rating of 0 vs the Celtics with Theis on and a net rating of +3 with him off.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?PlayerID=1628389&VsPlayerID=1628464&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Playoffs&OpponentTeamID=1610612738

But yes, lets go on and pretend that Turner is something he’s not.

So the other 4 players on the floor for each team, defensive sets laid out by the coach, other players botching switches, who's scoring on offense for each team at the time, all have nothing to do with it? These net ratings were all on Turner?? As someone already pointed out, overall numbers were much higher for Bam against us than in the Indy series, but I still wouldn't use that to compare Theis vs. Turner.

They were worse with Turner, mate. Hes not a bam stopper. Or good vs any true big, our current weakness

Which stat line for your starting center would you rather have in the playoffs? I won't tell you which player is which here.

Player A - 16ppg, 11rpg, FG% - 53%, 3ptFG% - 43%, 4 blocks per game, ORB% - 8.6, DRB% - 26.3
Player B - 9ppg, 7rpg, FG% - 52%, 3ptFG% - 15%, 1.2 blocks per game, ORB% - 7.8, DRB% - 19.9

[Darth Celtic]

I flip back and forth on the turner fence. I know he can block shots. I know he's taller than our centers. I know he's good at help defense and has played in good rated defensive teams. I know he hits the 3 at 35% at 4 attempts per game from the 5 which is really good for our offense.

I know he is young and fits our timeline.

I also know for a guy supposed to do all that and be that good played over 30 mpg 1 time in 5 years. I know that his efficiency numbers are average. I know in the olympics he was benched for 6'7" Jaylen Brown at center by one of the better coaches of all time.

I keep Hayward unless it's Turner/Warren for Hayward. If it's Turner/Dipo I take a future top 5 protected first to give them all that cap relief.

[100proof]

Gonna be fun watching all the pacer dans that have recently talked down hayward and talked up their assets screech at what will happen.

I"m waiting to hear from Pacers Bobs, Janes, Bills, And Johns.

Dont trust a single word out of Bills mouth.

Pure liar.

[Green89]

I flip back and forth on the turner fence. I know he can block shots. I know he's taller than our centers. I know he's good at help defense and has played in good rated defensive teams. I know he hits the 3 at 35% at 4 attempts per game from the 5 which is really good for our offense.

I know he is young and fits our timeline.

I also know for a guy supposed to do all that and be that good played over 30 mpg 1 time in 5 years. I know that his efficiency numbers are average. I know in the olympics he was benched for 6'7" Jaylen Brown at center by one of the better coaches of all time.

I keep Hayward unless it's Turner/Warren for Hayward. If it's Turner/Dipo I take a future top 5 protected first to give them all that cap relief.

I think you mean FIBA, and this wouldn't be the best example to choose, considering Team USA lost.