Marcus Smart

[bucknersrevenge]

I'm done. I'm just done. Yes he has some strengths. He helps us win in a variety of ways...during the regular season. In the postseason you need real talent. For all he does well, he has little athleticism, while his team defense and IQ is exceptional, his man to man defense is often lacking and he just doesn't do enough at the other end to balance it out. You can't run PnR in the postseason with a guard that is either afraid to shoot a mid range jumper or can't hit it, or both. I'm just all set playing 4 on 5 basketball now. Ship him outta here. I know there's a team out there that needs a defensive role player. Last night was the last straw for me.

F**king done.

[London2Boston]

I mean, I think it's fair to say there's no comparing him to AB anymore as much I like him. He's now essentially battling Rozier to avoid being the trade bait.

[sarcasma]

Ive been saying hes terrible all year and this years EVAN TURNER as far as Brad loving him. I got alot of hate and downvotes, but now everyone is coming around. Terry Rozier is better RIGHT NOW.

What can Smart and Crowder fetch in a trade?

[31to6]

I'm done. I'm just done. Yes he has some strengths. He helps us win in a variety of ways...during the regular season. In the postseason you need real talent. For all he does well, he has little athleticism, while his team defense and IQ is exceptional, his man to man defense is often lacking and he just doesn't do enough at the other end to balance it out. You can't run PnR in the postseason with a guard that is either afraid to shoot a mid range jumper or can't hit it, or both. I'm just all set playing 4 on 5 basketball now. Ship him outta here. I know there's a team out there that needs a defensive role player. Last night was the last straw for me.

F**king done.

If I join you in feeling this way... I feel like he'll win game 7 for us.

So I'm going to go ahead and join the dark side on this for now. Lord knows I want to.

But I'll say again all he needs is to improve his J, and then he's fine if we end up moving other guys out. Clock's more than ticking though. Terry might lose his spaz before Marcus learns to shoot, and while longer-term neither may prove relevant, for most of the year I was hoping/assuming the opposite.

[Braindesign]

I don't know what would give anyone a reason to believe he's going to improve his J.

Smart belongs in a defensive specialist role playing fifteen minutes a game. Nothing more

[2Mas]

Ive been saying hes terrible all year and this years EVAN TURNER as far as Brad loving him. I got alot of hate and downvotes, but now everyone is coming around. Terry Rozier is better RIGHT NOW.

What can Smart and Crowder fetch in a trade?

Why tradr Crowder?

7m a year for the next 2 yrs is absurd. Insane value deal. Even if he comes off the bench fine.

I don't see any logic in trading crowder.

[Fidel Sarcasmo]

22 years old; can't shoot. Next year, 23, still can't shoot. Smart's Off-season Rhetoric, "I'm working on my shot." 24, same, 25 same. Need fultz.

[rochrist]

I'm done. I'm just done. Yes he has some strengths. He helps us win in a variety of ways...during the regular season. In the postseason you need real talent. For all he does well, he has little athleticism, while his team defense and IQ is exceptional, his man to man defense is often lacking and he just doesn't do enough at the other end to balance it out. You can't run PnR in the postseason with a guard that is either afraid to shoot a mid range jumper or can't hit it, or both. I'm just all set playing 4 on 5 basketball now. Ship him outta here. I know there's a team out there that needs a defensive role player. Last night was the last straw for me.

F**king done.

If I join you in feeling this way... I feel like he'll win game 7 for us.

So I'm going to go ahead and join the dark side on this for now. Lord knows I want to.

But I'll say again all he needs is to improve his J, and then he's fine if we end up moving other guys out. Clock's more than ticking though. Terry might lose his spaz before Marcus learns to shoot, and while longer-term neither may prove relevant, for most of the year I was hoping/assuming the opposite.

Sure. But we've been saying that for three full years and it's mostly gotten worse (other than FTs. For a bit I thought that might hint at some upcoming improvement, but nope).

[return2glory]

Here is why I'm not done with Smart:

1. He just turned 23 a few months ago.
2. He improved his FT shooting this year.
3. He spends a lot of time in the gym and is a hard worker.

Having said all that, results need to show by next year. The fact that he had a better playoff last year vs this one is disappointing.

[Gurton Buster]

What i said earlier is not slight to smart, but more to our board. During the season we all wanted to waive rozier but a couple of good games and now he's a stud. Same thing happened to smart when he was playing well and vice versa. Same thing happened to "whore fraud" when he wasn't playing well and here we are.

Bottom line is Smart is ONLY 23 and still has half a decade until he hits his prime. He should project as an excellent back up pg for our theoretical championship team in the future.

Patience is a virtue.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Ive been saying hes terrible all year and this years EVAN TURNER as far as Brad loving him. I got alot of hate and downvotes, but now everyone is coming around. Terry Rozier is better RIGHT NOW.

What can Smart and Crowder fetch in a trade?

Why tradr Crowder?

7m a year for the next 2 yrs is absurd. Insane value deal. Even if he comes off the bench fine.

I don't see any logic in trading crowder.

His contract makes his value higher as a trade asset than his actual game. Reality is he's not a guy that should be in the starting line up of a real contender and he's not a guy that seems ok with taking on a bench role that better suits his skills. He's also not a guy you want to be hanging on to when he asks for 18 million a year two years from now. So just that right there makes him a real big trade candidate in my eyes. Obviously if you can move him to the bench or to the starting 4 and still win then that's a different story, but I don't believe that's realistic at all.

Boston has like 5 guys who provide great value for the money their getting. Marcus, Jae, IT, Bradley and Olynyk being the 5..all 5 guys will ask for major deals in the next few years and only IT and Bradley should get it from us IMO. Maybe not even Bradley..so turning some of them into a Butler soon is probably the idea here.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Here is why I'm not done with Smart:

1. He just turned 23 a few months ago.
2. He improved his FT shooting this year.
3. He spends a lot of time in the gym and is a hard worker.

Having said all that, results need to show by next year. The fact that he had a better playoff last year vs this one is disappointing.

He needs to lose weight imo. He looks heavy, has no athleticism, lift or explosiveness in his game. As an NBA guard if you don't have the first step you're at such a disadvantage.

Look at how much faster he looked in his rookie year.

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[Marvel]

Shet he's put on quite a bit of weight there. Sully pt 2.

[KumaJG]

Here is why I'm not done with Smart:

1. He just turned 23 a few months ago.
2. He improved his FT shooting this year.
3. He spends a lot of time in the gym and is a hard worker.

Having said all that, results need to show by next year. The fact that he had a better playoff last year vs this one is disappointing.

He needs to lose weight imo. He looks heavy, has no athleticism, lift or explosiveness in his game. As an NBA guard if you don't have the first step you're at such a disadvantage.

Look at how much faster he looked in his rookie year.

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Holy cow....Smart did gain some weight. No where near as fast as his rookie year. What happened...

[Froob]

Ive been saying hes terrible all year and this years EVAN TURNER as far as Brad loving him. I got alot of hate and downvotes, but now everyone is coming around. Terry Rozier is better RIGHT NOW.

What can Smart and Crowder fetch in a trade?

I love Terry but we may want to chill a bit, I think Rozier has a far higher ceiling offensively than those two but still remains to be seen if he can be a consistent and reliable shooter. Needs to spend all off season working on handles and finishing. He has a rare ability to get to the basket.

[TheOGJabroni]

I've been a big Smart supporter but something is definitely off with him. Ever since he checked himself out of the game, it feels like his head is not in it.

He doesn't seem to be effecting games like he used to be. Need a clutch game 7 performance or else I hope he's moved on when we hopefully bring in an elite guard prospect.

[2Mas]

Ive been saying hes terrible all year and this years EVAN TURNER as far as Brad loving him. I got alot of hate and downvotes, but now everyone is coming around. Terry Rozier is better RIGHT NOW.

What can Smart and Crowder fetch in a trade?

Why tradr Crowder?

7m a year for the next 2 yrs is absurd. Insane value deal. Even if he comes off the bench fine.

I don't see any logic in trading crowder.

His contract makes his value higher as a trade asset than his actual game. Reality is he's not a guy that should be in the starting line up of a real contender and he's not a guy that seems ok with taking on a bench role that better suits his skills. He's also not a guy you want to be hanging on to when he asks for 18 million a year two years from now. So just that right there makes him a real big trade candidate in my eyes. Obviously if you can move him to the bench or to the starting 4 and still win then that's a different story, but I don't believe that's realistic at all.

Boston has like 5 guys who provide great value for the money their getting. Marcus, Jae, IT, Bradley and Olynyk being the 5..all 5 guys will ask for major deals in the next few years and only IT and Bradley should get it from us IMO. Maybe not even Bradley..so turning some of them into a Butler soon is probably the idea here.

Brun usually i see eye to eye with you, but i'm not getting your logic here. Crowder isn't a guy you want to hold on to when he ask for 18mil in the summer 2020, but Bradley & Smart are for the summer 18? We can turn those guys into Butler & keep a great deal for a long period of time. or we can make that move & keep a great deal for 1 year? What is better?

We do have a lot of value guys, but years matters. Crowder is ideally a 5th starter. He's getting paid like an 9th man. We have him another 2 years after we loose Bradley & Smart. We have 1 year left of Bradley before he wants 20m. 1 year left of Smart till he wants 10+ a year. Olynyk is now.

Ideally, we flip Brown & Bradley for PG13 say. Or Butler since i'm on this great contract binge. You'd rather trade Crowder for Butler & pay Bradley 18mil next year? So we got IT-25m, Bradley 18m, Butler 18m, Al 27m? Or trade Bradley, keep Crowder & save that extra 11mil for the next 2 years?

& Crowder's 6'6. He shouldn't be doing anything at the PF besides spotting those small ball mins (where it looks like Smart's the PF anyways).

My thing is this .. Give IT his money. Get another star here. Move Bradley cause the money just doesn't add up.

[31to6]

I'm done. I'm just done. Yes he has some strengths. He helps us win in a variety of ways...during the regular season. In the postseason you need real talent. For all he does well, he has little athleticism, while his team defense and IQ is exceptional, his man to man defense is often lacking and he just doesn't do enough at the other end to balance it out. You can't run PnR in the postseason with a guard that is either afraid to shoot a mid range jumper or can't hit it, or both. I'm just all set playing 4 on 5 basketball now. Ship him outta here. I know there's a team out there that needs a defensive role player. Last night was the last straw for me.

F**king done.

If I join you in feeling this way... I feel like he'll win game 7 for us.

So I'm going to go ahead and join the dark side on this for now. Lord knows I want to.

But I'll say again all he needs is to improve his J, and then he's fine if we end up moving other guys out. Clock's more than ticking though. Terry might lose his spaz before Marcus learns to shoot, and while longer-term neither may prove relevant, for most of the year I was hoping/assuming the opposite.

We did it, Buckners! He didn't quite 'win it for us' -- but came up large and sucked me right back in. Grit and Grind East!

[KumaJG]

Played good today

[GreenBloodedC]

I literally do not know what to do with Smart. He's arguably had the worst stretch of games in Washington and back to back best games where it mattered in games 6 and 7.