Slartibartfast wrote:DarkAzcura wrote:165bows wrote:I'm glad your mother has gotten her citizenship.
I'm going to put this in a little perspective. Every country in the world has immigration law. The US is a representative form of government where officials are elected to enact laws and policies for the country. If you think that is 'seriously ridiculously xenophobic' I suggest looking at other countries' systems. Go to Cuba or China and let me know where on the scale of ridiculous xenophobia you feel they fall on. Your calibration on these terms may need some examination.
My point is this is a suggestion that people back away from the ledge of dramatism a bit and allow others their rights to their representative government without slandering them, which is what you are doing and that quite frankly for most people is undeserved.
I don't care about Cuba's or China's politics.
I am in the United States where we should all be equal. That attempted Muslim ban on specific countries was straight up racist. There were people with green cards (perfectly legal permanent residents) and visas being blocked from entry to the US after that attempted ban. Their desire for a wall on the Mexican-US border is fueled by racist ideology. No backing down from that. If we aren't wiling to calling it what it is, Republicans will continue with their awful "political viewpoints".
Yeah, most of this stuff keeps getting blocked, but it's really no thanks to a majority of Republicans who are essentially wasting our time with backwards ideology.
Also, I'm not slandering people who don't give a crap about me because I am not white. It's just truth. Sorry if it hurts for you to hear that, but that's some serious spin you got going on in your post (not really appreciating the accusation of slandering). I'm not stopping anyone from having their rights to a representative government. What a ridiculous take. I think
your views on racism and xenophobia are in serious need of re-examination if you think this is all "over-dramatized." One of Trump's biggest advisers was essentially the owner of Brietbart, a source of alt-right news, aka basically white nationalism. That's who Republicans allowed to become president. I don't even want to get into Jeff Sessions. This country let a bunch of white nationalists into the White House. They just don't care about people like me. That's not over-dramatization. You need to wake up if you think minorities are "over-dramatizing" these issues. Don't belittle the issues instead.
I have no idea what it is, whether it is selfishness, ignorance, or pure evil, but something is preventing the Republican party from seriously acknowledging the race issues they have within their party. It needs to be called out on and fixed, and the other side shouldn't be told they are over-dramatizing a very real issue that hits the core of a major political party in this country. So what do you want me to say? Sure, a lot of Republicans are not inherently racist or evil, but they continue to vote in racists so how does that make them any better exactly? In some ways it is even worse.
To the bolded, which is really what this whole argument revolves around: the question with immigration policy is who is "we"?
Does everyone in the world have an equal right to be an American resident or citizen? Or do Americans share equal rights that we don't share equally with everyone else?
It's also important to parse out nationality and race, so we're not just carpet-bombing the landscape with cries of racism.
South Korea is a country where 99+% of the nation is the same race and ethnicity. It makes sense to conflate race and nation in that case.
Not so much with the modern US, which is roughly 60% non-Hispanic white, 17% Hispanic, 13% black, and 5% Asian. The pre-60s set-up of 90/10 biracial country with overwhelmingly dominant white supermajority is dead and gone. To be a modern American nationalist is very far removed from white nationalism. The American nationalists explicitly desire racial unity, even if you want to decry that unity as perpetuating the dominance of historically oppressive white culture. The white nationalists (and the black nationalists for that matter) want race war leading to either segregation or secession. Big difference.
Never really talked about American nationalism. I did talk about white nationalism. Trying to make
some immigration issues (such as those relating to the Middle East and Mexico) sound like anything but a race issue is just a way to make it sound nicer and less morally wrong to Republicans.
People generally don't want immigrants in this country because they fear criminals entering this country. That fear is unfounded and based completely in racist ideology. People try to cover it up with 'they will steal our jobs' but that's just BS. People don't
really care when the immigrants are coming from Europe, but immigrants from Mexico and the Middle East? Bad for some reason. Why do you think so?
The immigration ban of Muslims was definitely rooted in racism. The idea of building a wall at the Mexican border is also rooted in racism. At its core immigration and the issues surrounding it may not be a race issue, but it most definitely has turned into one in recent times because of the reasons for not wanting these immigrants in the country.
Immigration wasn't really the big point of my post anyway. It's really about racism in general and how it's not over-dramatized. That is just an insane thing to say. It's really belittling.
