Fire Ainge: Thanks Danny, but it's time to go

[BK_2020]

What actual issues does Kyrie have other than not wanting to play in Boston?

[BillessuR6]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but I think it's safe to say that Kyrie leaving Boston for BK in free agency has really set the Celtics back considerably. So what I wanted to bring up is, what type of research (if any) by the C's front office was done on Kyrie before trading for him? The reason I bring this up is because the more we learn about Kyrie, the more it becomes evident that the dude has some issues. I don't know enough about his issues to label him, but it's as clear as a summer day that Kyrie has "things" he's dealing with.....unstable to say the least.
I'm not a huge woulda coulda shoulda kind of guy, but I can't help but think about what-if Danny used those trade assets for another All-Star player? Or Didn't make a trade at all? It's a little concerning that Danny went in strong for a guy like Kyrie that completely backfired and blew up in the Celtics face. There was 1 good season with Kyrie (before he was injured), and then the 2nd season was a lost season as the entire time he seemed checked out despite saying he wanted to stay long-term. Kyrie is a fraud...Or perhaps I ought to be more sensitive to the fact that he seems to have problems....I guess I just wish Danny and the front office caught this, or knew about this. and if they did, why did they still go for it?

Because we did not have to give up much. IT who wanted to get paid, Crowder and a first rounder for an allstar is a great deal...

But at that point how could you know that Kyre was not just another disgruntled star... that he has some kind of "mental condition"..

[ddb]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but I think it's safe to say that Kyrie leaving Boston for BK in free agency has really set the Celtics back considerably. So what I wanted to bring up is, what type of research (if any) by the C's front office was done on Kyrie before trading for him? The reason I bring this up is because the more we learn about Kyrie, the more it becomes evident that the dude has some issues. I don't know enough about his issues to label him, but it's as clear as a summer day that Kyrie has "things" he's dealing with.....unstable to say the least.
I'm not a huge woulda coulda shoulda kind of guy, but I can't help but think about what-if Danny used those trade assets for another All-Star player? Or Didn't make a trade at all? It's a little concerning that Danny went in strong for a guy like Kyrie that completely backfired and blew up in the Celtics face. There was 1 good season with Kyrie (before he was injured), and then the 2nd season was a lost season as the entire time he seemed checked out despite saying he wanted to stay long-term. Kyrie is a fraud...Or perhaps I ought to be more sensitive to the fact that he seems to have problems....I guess I just wish Danny and the front office caught this, or knew about this. and if they did, why did they still go for it?

Because we did not have to give up much. IT who wanted to get paid, Crowder and a first rounder for an allstar is a great deal...

But at that point how could you know that Kyre was not just another disgruntled star... that he has some kind of "mental condition"..

well the 2018 BK pick was a highly sought after asset. At the time of the trade BK was horrible and that pick very well could have been Luca Doncic, Trae Young, Ayton, etc. Ended up being #8 (Sexton). I get that IT was small on coming off injury, and that Crowder was a 3/D role player. Zizic was also in the deal and at the time a valued prospect. I'm not saying I blame Danny for making the trade. but usually when you're about to send off key assets/players in a trade you do a little homework on the player you're acquiring (if you don't already know him well). My ONLY point, is I'm wondering what Boston knew (if anything).

[Bad-Thoma]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but I think it's safe to say that Kyrie leaving Boston for BK in free agency has really set the Celtics back considerably. So what I wanted to bring up is, what type of research (if any) by the C's front office was done on Kyrie before trading for him? The reason I bring this up is because the more we learn about Kyrie, the more it becomes evident that the dude has some issues. I don't know enough about his issues to label him, but it's as clear as a summer day that Kyrie has "things" he's dealing with.....unstable to say the least.
I'm not a huge woulda coulda shoulda kind of guy, but I can't help but think about what-if Danny used those trade assets for another All-Star player? Or Didn't make a trade at all? It's a little concerning that Danny went in strong for a guy like Kyrie that completely backfired and blew up in the Celtics face. There was 1 good season with Kyrie (before he was injured), and then the 2nd season was a lost season as the entire time he seemed checked out despite saying he wanted to stay long-term. Kyrie is a fraud...Or perhaps I ought to be more sensitive to the fact that he seems to have problems....I guess I just wish Danny and the front office caught this, or knew about this. and if they did, why did they still go for it?

Because we did not have to give up much. IT who wanted to get paid, Crowder and a first rounder for an allstar is a great deal...

But at that point how could you know that Kyre was not just another disgruntled star... that he has some kind of "mental condition"..

well the 2018 BK pick was a highly sought after asset. At the time of the trade BK was horrible and that pick very well could have been Luca Doncic, Trae Young, Ayton, etc. Ended up being #8 (Sexton). I get that IT was small on coming off injury, and that Crowder was a 3/D role player. Zizic was also in the deal and at the time a valued prospect. I'm not saying I blame Danny for making the trade. but usually when you're about to send off key assets/players in a trade you do a little homework on the player you're acquiring (if you don't already know him well). My ONLY point, is I'm wondering what Boston knew (if anything).

DA is the GM of a professional basketball team, I feel pretty safe in assuming he "did a little homework" on every player that has ever come here. Every trade has a risk/reward factor and even with the benefit of hindsight the Kyrie trade was worth the risk. He's insanely talented (and yes, I did use the term insane). We can't assume that there was some other star with as much potential as Kyrie available for a broken mini point guard, a pick, and Zizic (who wasn't really all that valued a prospect as a late 1st rounder), it really wasn't a high cost for a someone with Kyrie's talent level and the fact that he has some issues is likely what made the price that low. It just didn't work out but if it did and Gordon didn't blow up his foot in his first game we would have been contenders. Maybe if Gordon doesn't have a freak injury his first game the team would have been better and Kyrie wouldn't have gone all sage and flat earth on us? Who knows but DA did a great job in acquiring talent, it just went wrong through some bad **** luck.

[Dannyboy36]

I’m getting tired of Danny saying things like “ I think it’s funny fans think we can just do this and that “ ( concerning major moves). Dude.... how about helping not to waste a season with bad smaller ones? We can’t afford Theis. Ok. So he has value. You mean to tell me a player we can’t afford next year cabt get us back a late 1st?? Jabari Parker? What??? If we were trading him why is he getting reps for the Bulls all season? Why without basically any practice did NEsmith ride the pine.
Kemba for Rozier also would love back.
But the worst is not backing his guys enough ( in my opinion) and letting Kyrie off the hook. The old Danny wouldn’t have stranded for that. I dint think Pat Riley would either. Kyrie is continuing to damage us with these comments. They’re nasty amidst a beat down.
Get tough Celtics. That means you too, Danny. Speak up. There’s racism everywhere snd it’s disgusting. But singling is out like this is bs. There’s a professional way this can be responded to. I’d love if Jaylen did. Then I’d love for someone to put the muscle to him. Send a message.

[Celts17Pride]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but I think it's safe to say that Kyrie leaving Boston for BK in free agency has really set the Celtics back considerably. So what I wanted to bring up is, what type of research (if any) by the C's front office was done on Kyrie before trading for him? The reason I bring this up is because the more we learn about Kyrie, the more it becomes evident that the dude has some issues. I don't know enough about his issues to label him, but it's as clear as a summer day that Kyrie has "things" he's dealing with.....unstable to say the least.
I'm not a huge woulda coulda shoulda kind of guy, but I can't help but think about what-if Danny used those trade assets for another All-Star player? Or Didn't make a trade at all? It's a little concerning that Danny went in strong for a guy like Kyrie that completely backfired and blew up in the Celtics face. There was 1 good season with Kyrie (before he was injured), and then the 2nd season was a lost season as the entire time he seemed checked out despite saying he wanted to stay long-term. Kyrie is a fraud...Or perhaps I ought to be more sensitive to the fact that he seems to have problems....I guess I just wish Danny and the front office caught this, or knew about this. and if they did, why did they still go for it?

Because we did not have to give up much. IT who wanted to get paid, Crowder and a first rounder for an allstar is a great deal...

But at that point how could you know that Kyre was not just another disgruntled star... that he has some kind of "mental condition"..

well the 2018 BK pick was a highly sought after asset. At the time of the trade BK was horrible and that pick very well could have been Luca Doncic, Trae Young, Ayton, etc. Ended up being #8 (Sexton). I get that IT was small on coming off injury, and that Crowder was a 3/D role player. Zizic was also in the deal and at the time a valued prospect. I'm not saying I blame Danny for making the trade. but usually when you're about to send off key assets/players in a trade you do a little homework on the player you're acquiring (if you don't already know him well). My ONLY point, is I'm wondering what Boston knew (if anything).

Ainge should have traded Kyrie at the trade deadline his last year. Ainge knew he was leaving in my opinion. Get whatever he could for him.

[JediMasterRevan]

Should have traded Kyrie once locker room was getting weird
Should have traded Al once it was known that he was wanting money
Should have traded Hayward either at deadline or in offseason
Should not have traded for Kemba (especially considering that Jordan didnt want to sign him for max dollars)
Should not have made the fournier deal.

[ddb]

Should have traded Kyrie once locker room was getting weird
Should have traded Al once it was known that he was wanting money
Should have traded Hayward either at deadline or in offseason
Should not have traded for Kemba (especially considering that Jordan didnt want to sign him for max dollars)
Should not have made the fournier deal.

I agree that as soon as Ainge had an inkling that Kyrie was leaving, he should have traded him to the highest bidder. Better then getting nothing.

I disagree on trading Al. I do not believe Ainge OR Al knew what the summer was going to bring. I do believe both sides tried to make something work, and that Al was willing to take less to stay. Once Kyrie left, Ainge decided to bring in Kemba VS retain Al. That's what I've heard at least. Ainge very well could have brought back Al and went Smart-Brown-Tatum-Hayward-Al which was probably what he should have done VS going Kemba-Brown-Tatum-Hayward-Theis

I disagree on trading Hayward. Similar situation to Horford. I think the intention was to keep him, or S/T him. Which they ultimately did. However, I would have preferred Danny brought in Turner/McDermott and then used his cap space on a big physical wing player VS having to settle for a TPE

Agree. The Kemba deal was a knee jerk reaction to losing Kyrie. Trying to save face. Backfired big time.

I don't think Fournier deal was bad. They literally got him for a 2nd round pick...I believe Boston has intentions of keeping him, or working out a S/T.

[robdog_5]

Should have traded Kyrie once locker room was getting weird
Should have traded Al once it was known that he was wanting money
Should have traded Hayward either at deadline or in offseason
Should not have traded for Kemba (especially considering that Jordan didnt want to sign him for max dollars)
Should not have made the fournier deal.

The Kanter move is still a bit perplexing to me. Basically gave Bane away to sign TT instead of Kanter.

[SichtingLives]

Danny's run between acquiring Kyrie and Kyrie leaving was one of the worst displays of GM'ing I've ever seen. It was as bad as his 2007 was good. It really goes understated around here how magnificently he **** the bed on all those assets. Dude just froze. Everybody in the world knew the locker room was rotten to the core and getting worse throughout the entire 18-19 season. We were overflowing with assets we needed to get move on. We had to many chefs in the kitchen and it was beyond obvious you had to do something, anything. AD put smoke signals everywhere that he wasn't coming here and Kyrie lost his god damn mind and Ainge did absolutely nothing but sit on his balls and watch it burn. Ridiculous. Majority of GMs in the league get ****canned for what happened there, no question about it.

Everyone has a bad stretch if you give em long enough. But the real issue with Ainge is nobody in this league is going to facilitate anything for him anymore, which is of his own doing by putting his straw in so many milkshakes. He was a good/great GM for a long time but it's come full circle and you can't convince me either still cares or perhaps even really jives with how the league works anymore.

[SmartWentCrazy]

If Ainge didnt know that Kyrie and Hayward were going to leave for nothing, or that there was zero chance AD was ever coming here then he should be fired for incompetence.

Everyone knew that Kyrie was out of here— Bobby Portis said on record that players knew in Feb Kyrie and KD were going to Brooklyn. Dinwiddie admitted to have recruited him in December of that year. Gordon Hayward moved his family out of the state mid-season. AD hired LeBrons agent lol. These werent really complex puzzles. Heck, Terry and Mook were practically begging to be traded [Mook even formally requested a trade] and Ainge held them. If Ainge truly was oblivious, its a greatly worrying sign.

[Feed Your Head]

If Ainge didnt know that Kyrie and Hayward were going to leave for nothing, or that there was zero chance AD was ever coming here then he should be fired for incompetence.

Everyone knew that Kyrie was out of here— Bobby Portis said on record that players knew in Feb Kyrie and KD were going to Brooklyn. Dinwiddie admitted to have recruited him in December of that year. Gordon Hayward moved his family out of the state mid-season. AD hired LeBrons agent lol. These werent really complex puzzles. Heck, Terry and Mook were practically begging to be traded [Mook even formally requested a trade] and Ainge held them. If Ainge truly was oblivious, its a greatly worrying sign.

If Ainge was elsewhere, he’d be fired this offseason.

[SmartWentCrazy]

If Ainge didnt know that Kyrie and Hayward were going to leave for nothing, or that there was zero chance AD was ever coming here then he should be fired for incompetence.

Everyone knew that Kyrie was out of here— Bobby Portis said on record that players knew in Feb Kyrie and KD were going to Brooklyn. Dinwiddie admitted to have recruited him in December of that year. Gordon Hayward moved his family out of the state mid-season. AD hired LeBrons agent lol. These werent really complex puzzles. Heck, Terry and Mook were practically begging to be traded [Mook even formally requested a trade] and Ainge held them. If Ainge truly was oblivious, its a greatly worrying sign.

If Ainge was elsewhere, he’d be fired this offseason.

Yah, I reached the point where he needs to go. He had a hell of a run, but its time we bring in a new voice and try something new. He’s just done an exceptionally poor job the last 3 years and trusting him to get us out of the hole he dug is just nonsensical.

Make a run at Masai. Guarantee he’d be interested in running the Celtics.

[Gomes3PC]

This Nets series is showing just how far off we are, and if Ainge doesn't recognize that, Wyc needs to put someone in place who does. We're not a healthy JB from competing with the top end talent in this league - we're multiple steps away from there. Modest changes won't get to where we want to be.

[chrisab123]

If Ainge didnt know that Kyrie and Hayward were going to leave for nothing, or that there was zero chance AD was ever coming here then he should be fired for incompetence.

Everyone knew that Kyrie was out of here— Bobby Portis said on record that players knew in Feb Kyrie and KD were going to Brooklyn. Dinwiddie admitted to have recruited him in December of that year. Gordon Hayward moved his family out of the state mid-season. AD hired LeBrons agent lol. These werent really complex puzzles. Heck, Terry and Mook were practically begging to be traded [Mook even formally requested a trade] and Ainge held them. If Ainge truly was oblivious, its a greatly worrying sign.

If Ainge was elsewhere, he’d be fired this offseason.

Agreed. The loyalty to this guy is pretty blind. He should be ripped for his interview today. Hopefully it forces them to make a move sooner rather than later. Give Masai 10 million a year to run the team.

[Gomes3PC]

If Ainge didnt know that Kyrie and Hayward were going to leave for nothing, or that there was zero chance AD was ever coming here then he should be fired for incompetence.

Everyone knew that Kyrie was out of here— Bobby Portis said on record that players knew in Feb Kyrie and KD were going to Brooklyn. Dinwiddie admitted to have recruited him in December of that year. Gordon Hayward moved his family out of the state mid-season. AD hired LeBrons agent lol. These werent really complex puzzles. Heck, Terry and Mook were practically begging to be traded [Mook even formally requested a trade] and Ainge held them. If Ainge truly was oblivious, its a greatly worrying sign.

If Ainge was elsewhere, he’d be fired this offseason.

I think too often, GMs aren't given sufficient time to build or work through setbacks. In that regard I appreciate the patience and rope ownership have bestowed upon Ainge. However, there needs to be a feedback loop and tangible signs that there is a recognition of how mistakes were made and efforts made to shore those deficiencies up. That's my concern right now - I don't see much if any change in approach / philosophy from Ainge, and if that continues this offseason, a change likely is necessary.

[chrisab123]

If Ainge didnt know that Kyrie and Hayward were going to leave for nothing, or that there was zero chance AD was ever coming here then he should be fired for incompetence.

Everyone knew that Kyrie was out of here— Bobby Portis said on record that players knew in Feb Kyrie and KD were going to Brooklyn. Dinwiddie admitted to have recruited him in December of that year. Gordon Hayward moved his family out of the state mid-season. AD hired LeBrons agent lol. These werent really complex puzzles. Heck, Terry and Mook were practically begging to be traded [Mook even formally requested a trade] and Ainge held them. If Ainge truly was oblivious, its a greatly worrying sign.

If Ainge was elsewhere, he’d be fired this offseason.

I think too often, GMs aren't given sufficient time to build or work through setbacks. In that regard I appreciate the patience and rope ownership have bestowed upon Ainge. However, there needs to be a feedback loop and tangible signs that there is a recognition of how mistakes were made and efforts made to shore those deficiencies up. That's my concern right now - I don't see much if any change in approach / philosophy from Ainge, and if that continues this offseason, a change likely is necessary.

He's been here for 18 years with 1 title. How much time does he need to have? Joe Dumars had similar end results and less time. Granted Ainge is a superior drafter to Dumars but still.

[Gomes3PC]

I will also add, Ainge's comments on T&R regarding Kyrie's comments are going to do the franchise literally zero favors in attracting talent. When your own players like Smart are on the record saying he's heard racist comments, you can't say what Ainge said. Completely tone-deaf.

EDIT - will also add, trying to ignore there hasn't been **** racist actions by fans in the past will only further encourage that kind of dirtbag behavior.

[chrisab123]

I will also add, Ainge's comments on T&R regarding Kyrie's comments are going to do the franchise literally zero favors in attracting talent. When your own players like Smart are on the record saying he's heard racist comments, you can't say what Ainge said. Completely tone-deaf.

100% needs to go after that interview. He already is looked at as a snake around the league by literally every player of every color. Now this on top of that. Its a horrible, terrible look for the organization. Inexcusable. What does that tell Tatum and Brown? Pretty much it tells them that Ainge wants them to "shut up and dribble". More or less...

[truth18]

I will also add, Ainge's comments on T&R regarding Kyrie's comments are going to do the franchise literally zero favors in attracting talent. When your own players like Smart are on the record saying he's heard racist comments, you can't say what Ainge said. Completely tone-deaf.

100% needs to go after that interview. He already is looked at as a snake around the league by literally every player of every color. Now this on top of that. Its a horrible, terrible look for the organization. Inexcusable. What does that tell Tatum and Brown? Pretty much it tells them that Ainge wants them to "shut up and dribble". More or less...

I honestly feel like the three quotes from Kyrie, Marcus and Danny have damned this franchise for years even worse than we already were. Insane season.

How do we come back from these comments culturally? Pretty **** difficult until it's a whole new set of players in the league. Even then.