Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[ddb]

it's mind blowing how many teams (Bucks/Nets the latest) are willing to mortgage so many future draft assets for a 2-3 year window. I get that the whole point of playing professional sports is to win championships, but holy smokes! This is another Pierce/KG fleecing with the Nets once again giving up their entire chest of draft assets. Honestly, if it came down to Nets/Lakers I just wouldn't watch. A game filled with a bunch of stars, none of which were drafted by the team they play for. All cry baby, rich losers that force their way to form super teams.

I'll of course be rooting for the Celtics. Bucks have home grown talent so they are fine in my book. Philly too. Miami too. I can't stand those teams but I'd rather they win then BK or one of the LA teams.

Because a 2-3 year window where you actually compete and can actually WIN championships is better than just being really good and hoping on internal growth and luck. Most championship windows don’t last longer than 2-4 years anyways and in this era of player movement and empowerment that’s about as good as it’s gonna get.

This is how the league is now and will CONTINUE to be. A dude just showed up overweight, played half speed and threw his entire team under the bus and then got what he WANTED. AD the same last year. It can happen to any team with any superstar including us with Tatum in about 4 years. **** it’s gonna happen again in 2-6 months with beal.

we rebuilt during lebrons heat run , we waited on golden state or positioned ourselves to be next after them, kyrie left so we pivot and build with the young guys right? No we signed kemba- Meanwhile lakers reload, another super team forms and we are kicking the can down the road.

Guess what? There will be another super tteam assembled somewhere else and in the way AGAIN. You cant have ainge be wreckless and making **** deals and going nuts to force stuff but we didn’t upgrade the bench last year, came into this year with another **** bench on paper and it’s tbd if he will upgrade it this season.

I completely understand and agree with many of your points. Heck, Boston did this with Pierce/KG/RA and it worked out really well. Won a title, nearly two. It was worth it. I'm not suggesting Boston keeps kicking the can down the road. Anthony Davis I absolutely would have went all-in for had it not been that his camp was saying LA or bust. AD & Kawaii were both worth going all-in for had they NOT demanded LA. So that stunk at the time, but keeping Tatum/Brown is turning out to be best-case scenario for Boston. Now Danny needs to find that third stud to join them. Kemba is good when healthy, but probably not that guy. DA has a big challenge in front of him to get this team in the conversation as true contenders.
as far as Harden goes. I don't think he's the right guy. He's not the KG in this scenario. What BK gave up was A LOT for a guy that only plays 1-side of the ball. Granted he's an incredible offensive talent, but at the end of the day BK still needs to bring in character guys. guys that play hard & tough.
Right now it's looking like they will be winning a lot of games 145-137. I have my doubts that it'll work in the playoffs. They might come out of the East but I still don't think they stand a chance as currently built to knock of the Lakers.
Also, major combustion potential in BK. Kyrie is an oddball...the 2nd coming of Marbury. Durant is spectacular, Harden likes to party and take 100 shots per game. they have one basketball. Kyrie is going to have to sacrifice. Very interesting team to watch moving forward

[zoyathedestroya]

I think the real worry is how well the Nets could potentially round that team out by dealing Irving. With Harden in the mix they don't need him or certainly whatever he's doing off the court, KD might already be done with him and he's still gonna command a handsome return. Could've actually been the underlying reason behind acquiring Harden is they've already known that Kyrie is imploding and are prepared for liftoff from planet Flat World B. Free

If they're smart and they really want to win, they'd deal Kyrie for a wing defender and a starting center today. Still don't understand why they let Allen go.

[yeleven11]

There's a ton of discussion about Jarrett Allen here but once you make that move, you're committed to paying him and essentially you're committing to that core for years to come. You'll also most likely end up overpaying for Allen because there's a ton of cap space in 2021 and it takes one team to offer him a big contract and we have to match it. Doesn't make a lot of sense for us especially given the fact that we have Timelord who still has two years left on his rookie deal.

Regarding Oladipo - same thing, you have to commit to paying him in the offseason and not sure you want to do that. There's also concern that he leaves for nothing. That's before we even getting to adding another guy who wants to be "the man" when he'll likely have to be the 3rd or 4th option here. A contract year guy who wants to be the man is a definite no no for this team.

Regarding future trades (Beal?) - The Harden trade showed us that it is possible to get a star with middling assets as long as you're willing to give up the boatload of picks. Would the Celtics do that for the right guy if he was willing to stay? Maybe. But I've said here multiple times that for our perspective, building up Langford and Nesmith's value and Kemba coming back healthy are the biggest factors in making any major trades in the future.

[ddb]

IMO, Yes, why not kick the tires on that deal immediately. I do not believe that the Harden deal is so completely finished that the Celtics cannot jump in on it now for Dipo.

so this is interesting. Houston post-Harden is 100% going to tank straight into the ground in hopes that they can keep their pick 1-3. Strong draft class at the top so this gives them an opportunity to accelerate their build by adding a potential franchise cornerstone in Cunningham, Mobley, Green, or Suggs. Having Dipo on an expiring contact makes zero sense for them. I'd fully expect them to flip Dipo to the highest bidder sooner than later.
From Boston's perspective, they should absolutely make a phone call to discuss Dipo. They have the TPE to help absorb the contract, and if Ainge is willing to fork over a young player and pick he could be in play to acquire Dipo. My thought is that Boston probably wouldn't win the bid. I think there will be a team willing to give up more with the hopes of re-signing Dipo long-term after the season. For Boston they are risking the deal being a rental. So I doubt Ainge would be willing to give up what Houston will be seeking in return. And even if Ainge was interested in bird rights and signing Dipo to a new contract, or flipping him for another TPE in the summer, I'd say its unlikely Dipo would want to be in Boston knowing that he's a 3rd option at best as a Celtic.

Miami is a good fit but they probably won't look to trade for Dipo as they can sign him outright this offseason. Philly is another good fit as Dipo would be their 3rd best player, but their #1 closer. There are a handful of teams that Dipo would make sense going to. Will be interesting to see what happens.

Is it possible to do something like

Dipo, Theis or TImelord and picks to Washington
Edwards, TPE, Picks to Houston

Beal to Boston?

look at what NOLA & Houston just received in return for Holiday & Harden. Now imagine Beal is younger and most likely going to net Washington even more. There's no chance Boston can acquire him without giving up Brown. Literally, zero shot at it.

[Ernest]

Wait a minute... Houston just traded Harden and DIDN'T get back a Jaylen Brown or better player? I guess a few of you were just spouting nonsense on here. Over and over and over and over again. But you guys were so sure about it. Who "Doesn't know how basketball works" now?

[GoCeltics123]

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[Wes-J]

Sure, we can do that, but the only way to get Beal and keep Brown means were trading Tatum and that one doesnt really make sense either.

Wait, didn't Houston just ship a HOF and current top 5 talent for Dipo and a bunch of first round picks that may as well be second round picks? So much for young star player in return.

Anything can happen never say never. Nobody saw that kind of trade coming.

They sent unprotected firsts out 7 years into the future for a team who’s best players are 31 and 32 years old.

Were not going to offer Kemba and 7 firsts for Beal. Nor are 7 firsts from a team who’s best players are 22 and 24 nearly as valuable as what the Nets traded.

Absolutely no way of knowing this.

[ddb]

I think the real worry is how well the Nets could potentially round that team out by dealing Irving. With Harden in the mix they don't need him or certainly whatever he's doing off the court, KD might already be done with him and he's still gonna command a handsome return. Could've actually been the underlying reason behind acquiring Harden is they've already known that Kyrie is imploding and are prepared for liftoff from planet Flat World B. Free

If they're smart and they really want to win, they'd deal Kyrie for a wing defender and a starting center today. Still don't understand why they let Allen go.

it would be a really smart move for BK. Only problem being that who the heck is going to want Kyrie after everything he's pulled over past couple years. Plus, imagine Kyrie showing up to his new team? guy would just retire. I could see Kyrie going to an LA team...maybe.... Maybe he'd report to a team like the Knicks. IDK. Kyrie is a weird dude. If you ask me he's one of the most overrated guys the NBA has had in awhile. Terrific talent, but his character, durability, and leadership is poor.

[Celtics_Champs]

Wait a minute... Houston just traded Harden and DIDN'T get back a Jaylen Brown or better player? I guess a few of you were just spouting nonsense on here. Over and over and over and over again. But you guys were so sure about it. Who "Doesn't know how basketball works" now?

They got a much better deal.

[Wes-J]

I think the real worry is how well the Nets could potentially round that team out by dealing Irving. With Harden in the mix they don't need him or certainly whatever he's doing off the court, KD might already be done with him and he's still gonna command a handsome return. Could've actually been the underlying reason behind acquiring Harden is they've already known that Kyrie is imploding and are prepared for liftoff from planet Flat World B. Free

First thing I thought. I think they're dealing Kyrie.

Who would want him?

Knicks? Or any other poorly managed franchise take your pick.

[ddb]

Wait a minute... Houston just traded Harden and DIDN'T get back a Jaylen Brown or better player? I guess a few of you were just spouting nonsense on here. Over and over and over and over again. But you guys were so sure about it. Who "Doesn't know how basketball works" now?

Ernest....they just landed draft assets for the majority of the decade. They will outright own BK's picks or rights to swap long after Durant/Harden/Kyrie are any good. Don't you remember how Boston did this with BK in 13? That lead to Tatum & Brown. Lead to pretty much everything the Celtics have had since 13, but only featuring Tatum/Brown because those are the two franchise cornerstones that have the Celtics in contention for many years

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Before we start a new trade thread involving Dipo - no. No. No. That guy is leaving for Miami as he will be the Heat’s consolation prize.

[ddb]

First thing I thought. I think they're dealing Kyrie.

Who would want him?

Knicks? Or any other poorly managed franchise take your pick.

I just said Knicks because he wouldn't have to relo. I could see him being fine playing there.

[GoCeltics123]

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“I think Houston can move PJ in a separate deal later,” one executive told HoopsHype. “He will have value in the East, especially to combat Giannis and Durant. I can see Miami going after PJ and maybe even Boston.”

Ok looking at the quote more it's speculation

[ddb]

Before we start a new trade thread involving Dipo - no. No. No. That guy is leaving for Miami as he will be the Heat’s consolation prize.

Yep. really strong possibility of this happening. Whoever trades for Dipo is most likely getting a rental. For Boston, as long as they don't have to give up much, it's not a horrible idea. But I would bet a lot of money that Ainge will instead elect to use TPE on role players to surround Tatum/Brown/Kemba

[zoyathedestroya]

Not getting my hopes up. Rockets are gonna ask for a 1st for Tucker. Ainge will offer Edwards and a heavily-protected 2nd.

I also doubt we're willing to pay Tucker his next contract, even if it's just MLE-level money. Our reasoning would be we already have Grant.

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[yeleven11]

Not getting my hopes up. Rockets are gonna ask for a 1st for Tucker. Ainge will offer Edwards and a heavily-protected 2nd.

I also doubt we're willing to pay Tucker his next contract, even if it's just MLE-level money. Our reasoning would be we already have Grant.

KOC in his article said the current value of Tucker is about 3 second rounders. He also said the rockets are gonna wait until the deadline to see if they can get a 1st.

[Celtics_Champs]

The Kyrie thing is interesting. Still no quote from him.

Also still no real press from Brooklyn. You think they would be hyping “big three” talk on social media. But nothing yet. Just welcome harden posts.

They probably just don’t know what he’s thinking. If I were Brooklyn, I would let him play a couple good games and trade him shortly after.

[ddb]

There's a ton of discussion about Jarrett Allen here but once you make that move, you're committed to paying him and essentially you're committing to that core for years to come. You'll also most likely end up overpaying for Allen because there's a ton of cap space in 2021 and it takes one team to offer him a big contract and we have to match it. Doesn't make a lot of sense for us especially given the fact that we have Timelord who still has two years left on his rookie deal.

Regarding Oladipo - same thing, you have to commit to paying him in the offseason and not sure you want to do that. There's also concern that he leaves for nothing. That's before we even getting to adding another guy who wants to be "the man" when he'll likely have to be the 3rd or 4th option here. A contract year guy who wants to be the man is a definite no no for this team.

Regarding future trades (Beal?) - The Harden trade showed us that it is possible to get a star with middling assets as long as you're willing to give up the boatload of picks. Would the Celtics do that for the right guy if he was willing to stay? Maybe. But I've said here multiple times that for our perspective, building up Langford and Nesmith's value and Kemba coming back healthy are the biggest factors in making any major trades in the future.

If I was DA and Beal came on the market I would be willing to trade a lot of draft assets/swaps because in looking at Tatum/Brown and even Beal they are all young (Beal is youngish). So by acquiring Beal to add to JT/JB you're all but guaranteeing that you're drafting late first round for years to come. But on the flip side, Washington would know this as well and would devalue Boston's picks in comparison to a team that would have a shorter window to contend.