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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#821 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 6, 2026 3:13 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
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GoCeltics123 wrote:Simons is playing great but he's giving Josh Richardson vibes right now

We know how Brad is, he's the master at selling high, just like he did with J-Rich

Celtics were getting DWhite for J-Rich.

I don't think Brad will trade Simons for players like Terance Mann.


Celtics had a TPE for White. They didn't need to trade JRich for him. They chose to include him so they could avoid the tax and probably paid extra in the deal since his money wasn't desired by SA.

If you see Chisholm in Celtic home games, I don't think he's thinking about the tax.

Chisholm wants to win.

I would agree with you if the Cs are just a .500 team or worse, but this team has exceeded expectations by a wide margin.

So the tax should be set aside in favor of putting the Celtics in a good position to win.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#822 » by hugepatsfan » Tue Jan 6, 2026 3:14 pm

The Celtics don't need to keep Simons to offer him a contract in the offseason. We project to have the full MLE to use and based on the trade talks around him it seems likely his market will be at or below that. So they can trade him now and still make him an offer to come back in the offseason, which honestly wouldn't surprise me.

Using the full MLE hardcaps you at the first apron. Right now, for next year, we're $29M below that number with 11 players signed. I also wouldn't rule out a Hauser trade at some point that frees up more money.

Pritchard / Simons
White / Hugo
Brown / Walsh
Tatum / Minott
??? Trade acquisition / Queta

It wouldn't shock me if that's the roster next year and it might not be a direct thing that happens this year. Simons could be traded now and re-signed in the offseason.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#823 » by hugepatsfan » Tue Jan 6, 2026 3:35 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:Celtics were getting DWhite for J-Rich.

I don't think Brad will trade Simons for players like Terance Mann.


Celtics had a TPE for White. They didn't need to trade JRich for him. They chose to include him so they could avoid the tax and probably paid extra in the deal since his money wasn't desired by SA.

If you see Chisholm in Celtic home games, I don't think he's thinking about the tax.

Chisholm wants to win.

I would agree with you if the Cs are just a .500 team or worse, but this team has exceeded expectations by a wide margin.

So the tax should be set aside in favor of putting the Celtics in a good position to win.


I don't think the decision to duck the tax will be about this year. It will be about the longer term outlook. This roster is going to push the 2nd apron after next year if they keep everyone and add a center. If they don't duck the tax this year and next, that will be at repeater rates. There's a lot of room in between "cheap owner" and "can't afford 2nd apron salaries at repeater rates".

Tatum/Brown/White only have so many years left. if you can avoid it, you don't want to put yourself in a position where in 2 years you need to have another financially motivated offseason like you did this past year where you have to let proven guys go and replace them with lottery tickets. All our lottery tickets this year have cashed in, but that's not the most easily repeatable thing.

Now obviously you have to weigh the trade offs. Don't give up a great shot at a title this year to maybe have one in the future. It's a balancing act. But when I consider the likely diminished version of Tatum we get this year when he is back, the relative expendability of Simons and/or Hauser and the long term outlook, I still think it's in the best interests of the team to duck the tax this year and next. But because the team is playing so well, they can add draft capital to those trades to where it net improves the team while also saving money. And doing so will set them up so they can compete annually for titles for the rest of the Tatum/Brown/White window without ever having to do any sort of financial reset again in that span. And I think not having Simons and/or Hauser for this playoff run is a justifiable trade off for that.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#824 » by Hal14 » Tue Jan 6, 2026 3:40 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:Player rotation, it's also something to think about when the playoffs start.

Right now Joe is using 10-11 players in the regular season.
But in the playoffs, that will shrink to 8-9 players.

It's either Sam or Simons, but not both.

So trading one of Sam or Simons for a Center should be the ideal.


Sam has no value.

There are teams out there who need shooters.

But even if the Cs end up keeping Hauser, I think nobody will complain as Sam is clearly a specialist.

Joe can sit him for most of the game and just put him in when the Cs need a 3pt shot.

1) You don't pay a guy $11mil a year on a long term extension to sit most of the game. Hauser has averaged 20+ MPG for 3 years in a row now and that will remain the case moving forward - unless he's traded

2) Sit him most of the game and put him in when you need a 3 pt shot also makes no sense because this is the NBA in 2026. You always need 3 pt shots all throughout the game - unless it's garbage time.

3) Let's not minimize Hauser. He's one of the best shooters in the league. He's one of the best 3&D guys in the league. He has very high IQ, always makes the right play, good passer. Can rebound some. And has shown improvement with putting the ball on the floor and driving, hitting shots inside the 3 pt line off the bounce. He was a valuable 7th/8th man for our championship team in 2024.

Sure, it's obviously possible he get moved. But as long as he's here, he'll be in the rotation.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#825 » by 165bows » Tue Jan 6, 2026 3:44 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:The Celtics don't need to keep Simons to offer him a contract in the offseason. We project to have the full MLE to use and based on the trade talks around him it seems likely his market will be at or below that. So they can trade him now and still make him an offer to come back in the offseason, which honestly wouldn't surprise me.

Using the full MLE hardcaps you at the first apron. Right now, for next year, we're $29M below that number with 11 players signed. I also wouldn't rule out a Hauser trade at some point that frees up more money.

Pritchard / Simons
White / Hugo
Brown / Walsh
Tatum / Minott
??? Trade acquisition / Queta

It wouldn't shock me if that's the roster next year and it might not be a direct thing that happens this year. Simons could be traded now and re-signed in the offseason.

If they trade someone and bring them back imo it's KP.

Brad's got a serious aversion to pigeon-holed two guards and the only time this team has carried one in the last three and a half years is due to salary dumps.

I think if Simons is gone he's long gone and if he stays a Boston contract offer would be maxing out at 2/15 or something like that.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#826 » by GoCeltics123 » Tue Jan 6, 2026 3:45 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
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hugepatsfan wrote:
Celtics had a TPE for White. They didn't need to trade JRich for him. They chose to include him so they could avoid the tax and probably paid extra in the deal since his money wasn't desired by SA.

If you see Chisholm in Celtic home games, I don't think he's thinking about the tax.

Chisholm wants to win.

I would agree with you if the Cs are just a .500 team or worse, but this team has exceeded expectations by a wide margin.

So the tax should be set aside in favor of putting the Celtics in a good position to win.


I don't think the decision to duck the tax will be about this year. It will be about the longer term outlook. This roster is going to push the 2nd apron after next year if they keep everyone and add a center. If they don't duck the tax this year and next, that will be at repeater rates. There's a lot of room in between "cheap owner" and "can't afford 2nd apron salaries at repeater rates".

Tatum/Brown/White only have so many years left. if you can avoid it, you don't want to put yourself in a position where in 2 years you need to have another financially motivated offseason like you did this past year where you have to let proven guys go and replace them with lottery tickets. All our lottery tickets this year have cashed in, but that's not the most easily repeatable thing.

Now obviously you have to weigh the trade offs. Don't give up a great shot at a title this year to maybe have one in the future. It's a balancing act. But when I consider the likely diminished version of Tatum we get this year when he is back, the relative expendability of Simons and/or Hauser and the long term outlook, I still think it's in the best interests of the team to duck the tax this year and next. But because the team is playing so well, they can add draft capital to those trades to where it net improves the team while also saving money. And doing so will set them up so they can compete annually for titles for the rest of the Tatum/Brown/White window without ever having to do any sort of financial reset again in that span. And I think not having Simons and/or Hauser for this playoff run is a justifiable trade off for that.

And again, there are trades out there that duck the tax and arguably makes the team better.

It's a tough act to balance, but it's doable
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#827 » by 165bows » Tue Jan 6, 2026 3:49 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:I think the thing sports fans do nowadays is many get so attached to their players (for understandable reasons) that it's hard to see the long-term sometimes. And I get, why think about the long-term when things are going well in the moment?

Simons is having a great stretch, won the team the game yesterday, but we are talking about this team winning at the highest levels of basketball. His game doesn't translate well to the playoffs (same with Garza tbh) because he's going to get picked on on defense. It's great that these guys can be regular-season innings eaters, but the Celtics aren't about winning regular season games.

Brad knows this better than anyone. He saw Josh Richardson's production being fake for us and was right (as he pretty much always is), and flipped him for DWhite. If he sees the right player for this team, I'm pretty sure he's going to do the same thing for Anfernee

JRich prob played a little three but go back to that mid-year '22 team - has Brad employed a single player that could only play the 2 guard spot?

It's been good to see Simons playing better but he's still the least valuable player archetype in the league so agree if they can spin him for something better then they do it.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#828 » by GoCeltics123 » Tue Jan 6, 2026 3:57 pm

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GoCeltics123 wrote:I think the thing sports fans do nowadays is many get so attached to their players (for understandable reasons) that it's hard to see the long-term sometimes. And I get, why think about the long-term when things are going well in the moment?

Simons is having a great stretch, won the team the game yesterday, but we are talking about this team winning at the highest levels of basketball. His game doesn't translate well to the playoffs (same with Garza tbh) because he's going to get picked on on defense. It's great that these guys can be regular-season innings eaters, but the Celtics aren't about winning regular season games.

Brad knows this better than anyone. He saw Josh Richardson's production being fake for us and was right (as he pretty much always is), and flipped him for DWhite. If he sees the right player for this team, I'm pretty sure he's going to do the same thing for Anfernee

JRich prob played a little three but go back to that mid-year '22 team - has Brad employed a single player that could only play the 2 guard spot?

It's been good to see Simons playing better but he's still the least valuable player archetype in the league so agree if they can spin him for something better then they do it.

Don't think so. Brad likes positional versatility
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#829 » by WeLikeOurGuys » Tue Jan 6, 2026 4:08 pm

I think a Naz Reid for Simons deal package could make sense for both teams.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#830 » by Larry_Russell » Tue Jan 6, 2026 4:37 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
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GoCeltics123 wrote:Simons is playing great but he's giving Josh Richardson vibes right now

We know how Brad is, he's the master at selling high, just like he did with J-Rich

Celtics were getting DWhite for J-Rich.

I don't think Brad will trade Simons for players like Terance Mann.


Celtics had a TPE for White. They didn't need to trade JRich for him. They chose to include him so they could avoid the tax and probably paid extra in the deal since his money wasn't desired by SA.



And SAS White was NOT BOS White either.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#831 » by redslastlaugh » Tue Jan 6, 2026 4:38 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:If you see Chisholm in Celtic home games, I don't think he's thinking about the tax
I don't think the decision to duck the tax will be about this year. It will be about the longer term outlook. This roster is going to push the 2nd apron after next year if they keep everyone and add a center. If they don't duck the tax this year and next, that will be at repeater rates. There's a lot of room in between "cheap owner" and "can't afford 2nd apron salaries at repeater rates".

Tatum/Brown/White only have so many years left. if you can avoid it, you don't want to put yourself in a position where in 2 years you need to have another financially motivated offseason like you did this past year where you have to let proven guys go and replace them with lottery tickets. All our lottery tickets this year have cashed in, but that's not the most easily repeatable thing.

Now obviously you have to weigh the trade offs. Don't give up a great shot at a title this year to maybe have one in the future. It's a balancing act. But when I consider the likely diminished version of Tatum we get this year when he is back, the relative expendability of Simons and/or Hauser and the long term outlook, I still think it's in the best interests of the team to duck the tax this year and next. But because the team is playing so well, they can add draft capital to those trades to where it net improves the team while also saving money. And doing so will set them up so they can compete annually for titles for the rest of the Tatum/Brown/White window without ever having to do any sort of financial reset again in that span. And I think not having Simons and/or Hauser for this playoff run is a justifiable trade off for that.

You also have to think about the cost of giving up picks to facilitate a cost cutting trade. We have our own 1st (likely #20-25) we have Pels 2nd (likely 31-35) and we have Bucks 2nd (likely 38-48)... We may have to deal one, two or all three to facilitate cap-savings trades.

But now that we've seen Hugo, Walsh, and Scheiermen, there is a case to keep our picks and select 2 or 3 rookies (even trade up) and showcase them over next year that they become trade assets on cheap money... imagine our optionality if we had two or three players on rookie scale terms who are on the asset level of Hugo Gonzalzez. We'd have lots of options should we go into the trade market with Hauser's matching money, or even Derrick's matching money in a couple of years, and several young prospects to trade. Or we could just play some young guys, mix them in with the vets how the Spurs counted on young players Kawhi Leonard, Danny Green, Patty Mills, Cory Joseph to supplement the veteran rotation for the 2012-2014 playoff runs

In our 2008-2010 run we had contributors on rookie deals: Rajon Rondo, Tony Allen, Leon Powe, Big Baby Davis... and I think Brad could find some draftees that could compare to that era's youngins... so just drafting some players and accepting we're gonna pay the tax this year and then get younger, cheaper and more flexible next season, that has appeal... and we get to see the team with Simons, Hauser, etc go into this playoffs and who knows, maybe JT comes back and plays himself somewhat back and we make some noise in the playoffs and just eat the tax and keep our picks
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#832 » by Hal14 » Tue Jan 6, 2026 4:42 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:The Celtics don't need to keep Simons to offer him a contract in the offseason. We project to have the full MLE to use and based on the trade talks around him it seems likely his market will be at or below that. So they can trade him now and still make him an offer to come back in the offseason, which honestly wouldn't surprise me.

Using the full MLE hardcaps you at the first apron. Right now, for next year, we're $29M below that number with 11 players signed. I also wouldn't rule out a Hauser trade at some point that frees up more money.

Pritchard / Simons
White / Hugo
Brown / Walsh
Tatum / Minott
??? Trade acquisition / Queta

It wouldn't shock me if that's the roster next year and it might not be a direct thing that happens this year. Simons could be traded now and re-signed in the offseason.

Very rare for that to happen. Trade a guy at deadline and then sign them the ensuing offseason as a FA. Pretty much never happens.

Just not how teams operate and typically the player and his agent would see it as a bit of broken trust and a bridge that's been burned once he's been traded away..
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#833 » by Dogen » Tue Jan 6, 2026 5:53 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
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Fierce1 wrote:Celtics were getting DWhite for J-Rich.

I don't think Brad will trade Simons for players like Terance Mann.

Yes again that's why I said sell-high

Maybe they keep Simons, but we know Brad was trying to flip him before. Brad doesn't overreact to a couple of good weeks or months, and Josh Richardson fell off a cliff when we traded him

I think this will be more about chemistry and cohesion.

Joe has a great thing going right now.

Why mess it up by making drastic changes?

Just use the 22m KP TPE to get Day Sharpe.


Celtics have to give something in the trade I think. If Boucher is included it works, and the Celtics take 4M off the cap (if they want to use the TPE on Sharpe).

With Queta, Sharpe as the main bigs, and Garza as a regular season backup, that's quite sufficient. I like Sharpe, he's on for one more year, but BKN might be persuaded in letting him go as they develop their young draftees. And they get back an expiring vet in Boucher. Not sure what is going on with Chris in Boston, it seemed like a great deal at the time but he just doesn't get the minutes. Maybe Joe is saving him? In any case, he's redundant on the current roster as Minott fits into that role.

Queta/Tatum/Brown/White/Pritchard
Sharpe/Walsh/Hauser/Hugo/Simons
Garza/Minott/Scheierman/Tillman

Celtics keep Simons for the season and still add size. And there is still an open spot on the roster. I like it. That's a nice bench with balance of scoring and defense. Sharpe is a decent passer too. I just don't know why Nets would want to move him, maybe the Celtics include some non-2026 incentive.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#834 » by ryan in Maine » Tue Jan 6, 2026 6:01 pm

Ftr Simons has played the 4th most minutes on the team and is 4th in fga's. It's cute to refer to him as 8th man up though. Real cute.
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Post#835 » by fallguy » Tue Jan 6, 2026 7:28 pm

I'm having trouble getting too worked up about what we do or don't do. I trust Brad implicitly and feel like we're playing with house money this year. My only hope is we, as Brad suggested, don't sacrifice long term roster building for a marginal upgrade this season.
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Post#836 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Jan 6, 2026 7:39 pm

fallguy wrote:I'm having trouble getting too worked up about what we do or don't do. I trust Brad implicitly and feel like we're playing with house money this year. My only hope is we, as Brad suggested, don't sacrifice long term roster building for a marginal upgrade this season.

My guess is Brad Stevens is going to add someone like Duop Reath of Portland while shedding Chris Boucher and call it a day.
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Post#837 » by fallguy » Tue Jan 6, 2026 7:43 pm

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fallguy wrote:I'm having trouble getting too worked up about what we do or don't do. I trust Brad implicitly and feel like we're playing with house money this year. My only hope is we, as Brad suggested, don't sacrifice long term roster building for a marginal upgrade this season.

My guess is Brad Stevens is going to add someone like Duop Reath of Portland while shedding Chris Boucher and call it a day.


I'd be fine with that. I'd also be fine with ducking the tax if it's not too painful in terms of asset expenditure. I tend to doubt there's a major upgrade out there at the C/PF spot right now and that we'll wait for the summer to pursue it.

Walsh/Hugo/Minott/Baylor could all see their value jump with good postseason performances which could give us some trade leverage too.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#838 » by redslastlaugh » Tue Jan 6, 2026 7:57 pm

fallguy wrote:
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fallguy wrote:I'm having trouble getting too worked up about what we do or don't do. I trust Brad implicitly and feel like we're playing with house money this year. My only hope is we, as Brad suggested, don't sacrifice long term roster building for a marginal upgrade this season.

My guess is Brad Stevens is going to add someone like Duop Reath of Portland while shedding Chris Boucher and call it a day.


I'd be fine with that. I'd also be fine with ducking the tax if it's not too painful in terms of asset expenditure. I tend to doubt there's a major upgrade out there at the C/PF spot right now and that we'll wait for the summer to pursue it.

Walsh/Hugo/Minott/Baylor could all see their value jump with good postseason performances which could give us some trade leverage too.

Agree Walsh/Hugo/etc could really boost their league wide value with a featured role in the playoffs. I'd also want to get some answers about Queta and, to a lesser degree, Garza. Right now we are beating opponents by 9pts per 100 possessions with Queta on the floor. Does this hold up in the playoffs?

I want to see Neemi in the playoffs especially because after the season he will be extension eligible while also still signed to one more season at the veterans minimum. We need to get a sense of his fair value and just see how we can expect from him against playoff competition
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 3 

Post#839 » by GoCeltics123 » Tue Jan 6, 2026 8:08 pm

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No-brainer but the article said the Clippers are asking for two firsts and are hesitant to move him
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Post#840 » by fallguy » Tue Jan 6, 2026 8:14 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:My guess is Brad Stevens is going to add someone like Duop Reath of Portland while shedding Chris Boucher and call it a day.


I'd be fine with that. I'd also be fine with ducking the tax if it's not too painful in terms of asset expenditure. I tend to doubt there's a major upgrade out there at the C/PF spot right now and that we'll wait for the summer to pursue it.

Walsh/Hugo/Minott/Baylor could all see their value jump with good postseason performances which could give us some trade leverage too.

Agree Walsh/Hugo/etc could really boost their league wide value with a featured role in the playoffs. I'd also want to get some answers about Queta and, to a lesser degree, Garza. Right now we are beating opponents by 9pts per 100 possessions with Queta on the floor. Does this hold up in the playoffs?

I want to see Neemi in the playoffs especially because after the season he will be extension eligible while also still signed to one more season at the veterans minimum. We need to get a sense of his fair value and just see how we can expect from him against playoff competition


Great point. I've been a bit less enthusiastic about Queta than some here but a big playoffs would pull me over to the majority side.

Walsh also headed for (potential) extension talks too. So there's that.

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