Rajon Rondo Traded To The Mavericks.

[HeartBreakKid]

That rumor means a lot for our Brooklyn picks, too.. They can turn themselves into a nice, lean team pretty quickly.. Just need to find a taker for Brook Lopez.

But they are getting 3 bench players for their best player. Without a draft pick that deal is devastating.

When you think that they gave up
Favors, Kanter, and Gorgiu Dieng for Williams
Lillard for Wallace
Then the picks they have sent Boston man that is brutal.

If I was Silver I might think about getting involved here I would not let them liquidate that team without getting some picks back.

Silver has no say in the matter...

[VeryMuchWoke]

Jae Crowder look like he was like "f this, I'ma smoke an L before this presser." LMAO

an L ? i thought it was a J.

An L is a blunt (rolled in cigar paper)

[gocelts]

Is there any hope that Danny rushed this because he knows someone will be available at the deadline? Just spit balling, but Isaiah was Danny's first call in FA, and Wright would fit in Phoenix...or any other team....just saying...suddenly you have a point guard that fits the motion offense.

Even of this was the first step of a two step, Danny or Ownership wouldn't dare suggest anything after their "fireworks" comment last spring. Again, maybe Ainge didn't kill his last brain cell this week.

Anyway, I've complained enough....here are the things I do like (about this awful horrible asinine trade)

1. Smart- It's clear Danny and Stevens think Smart is ready to play/develop. Might as well get him in now. You drafted him, now get him going.

2. Nelson- I'm coming out. I've had a crush on Nelson's game since I watched him at St. Joe's. If this fan base can get behind West, we will be more than satisfied with Nelson. Yes he's slow and not as good of a defender...but Smart is an excellent defender....this mentor/combo talent is PERFECT for smart...even if it's just until the Feb deadline. We may dump him, but this is a positive situation for Smart and the team.

3. We are building around Stevens not Rondo - J Smith and Perk can FINALY be a never was, or former Cs. Bringing these two to Boston due to the "Rondo" connection can finally die. At least Ainge was smart enough to not make this mistake. I've posted many times that we never ever made a move to accommodate Rondo since we traded away Pierce and KG, now we never will. Giving him a max would have had its risks...let Cuban deal with it.

4. Helping Dallas. Hear that sound? That's Morey and Doc Sh--ing their pants. We just fired off a HUGE F U to Morey who is "holding out for better" at the expense of already having Dwight (so bizarre) and the Clips, whom we coincidently own their pick. I feel like with Sac dicing their coach, Rondo or not they are wrecked right now...we crushed the asset rich West that may have fire sales of their own when they realize they can't extend players, and can't compete with elite either. Include Phoenix to the list too.

5. The timing- I thought this was rushed...but I now understand we can make another move with all the pieces at the deadline. With a 10+ million dollar trade exception 9 future firsts...who knows, if we are still the 8 dare I say 7 seed in the East, suddenly a good player can help us...if we are 6-7 in the lotto, Danny can dump everything and go nuclear. He still has flexibility to accommodate both directions.

For the record, I hate the Trade and feel its one of many of Danny's bad moves that tends to get swept under the rug on this board; I'm expecting Zeller to regress, Bradley to be even more useless without Rondo catching him on outlets (why did we extend him), and these late picks and Wright to be underwhelming/worthless .....but hey, I bought that damn league pass so I'm stuck with this crap.

[Edug27]

For the record, I hate the Trade and feel its one of many Danny's bad moves that tends to get swept under the rug on this board; I'm expecting Zeller to regress, Bradley to be even more useless without Rondo catching him on outlets (why did we extend him), and these late picks and Wright to be underwhelming.....but hey, I bought that damn league pass so I'm stuck with this crap.

Many bad moves? Which moves are these? I wouldn't call extending Bradley a bad move. He had little trade value and if we let him walk, then you'd complain just as loud.

[gocelts]

For the record, I hate the Trade and feel its one of many Danny's bad moves that tends to get swept under the rug on this board; I'm expecting Zeller to regress, Bradley to be even more useless without Rondo catching him on outlets (why did we extend him), and these late picks and Wright to be underwhelming.....but hey, I bought that damn league pass so I'm stuck with this crap.

Many bad moves? Which moves are these? I wouldn't call extending Bradley a bad move. He had little trade value and if we let him walk, then you'd complain just as loud.

Stop baiting me into this. I'm looking for some positives here. "Danny Defenders" always pop up immediately after someone disagrees with any of Danny's moves. I'm not playing anymore. Our record and roster will speak for itself.Yes he's made excellent moves and I've commended them. But I've also recognized the bad moves to.

[15th overall]

EDIT: Love the look of skepticism by this kid's old man.

[humblebum]

What exactly were we running in the Magic game? I think Rondo bought in fine to the system - it was his frequent inability/unwillingness to score that would muck things up.

But as we will soon see, the replacement guards will soon be mucking things up in their own way once the competition stiffens and the entire game isn't one big transition sequence.

I actually agree that things will bog down in the halfcourt more now. But I think that's the trick about Rondo... he always makes the offensive appear as if it's operating more smoothly and efficiently than it actually is because of how crisp his ball handling, passing, and pick and roll/pop execution is.

When you take him out of the picture, ultimately you're still getting the same mediocre looks from mid-range and three that Rondo produces... it's just less pretty to watch.

The offensive efficiency stats for the team generally reflect this reality. He doesn't make offenses more effective or efficient but there is a veneer that makes it look like he does.

Ainge's recent comments about finding a star that helps you win vs. a star that fans like to watch seems to echo that reality. Rondo is a fan favorite because of how creative and artistic he is... Smart, Turner, Bradley aren't artists but they can do things for you that help you win ball games.

Not really. Rondo can and has done more things to help win ball games than Smart/Turner/Bradley ever have done.

Just because he wasn't working with this team and has struggled post ACL doesn't mean that he is or was not a guy that can help you win games more than rookies and back-up grade guys like Turner and AB.

Rondo wasn't just a fan favorite. He was a legit top 5 point guard for an extended stretch. Maybe that player's gone forever, but let's not let a rough finish and retconning diminish an otherwise stellar legacy.

That extended stretch was always a bit debatable due to his rather obvious shortcomings. Whatever the case he's been far from a top 5 guy for this and the last two seasons before this where his body has now begun to break down as well.

But again, I don't think Rondo has really been making offenses that much better throughout his career. He WAS really more well known for his defense and rebounding prowess. On offense he's always been able to pass and create but the lack of a threat he presents has always caused tremendous spacing issues.

On top of that he has inconsistency issues that were the result of his own mental shortcomings... from night to night he would approach the game much differently.

So now the Celtics have three guys who aren't necessarily going to make it look as pretty as Rondo, but two of them are much better defenders (Smart, Bradley) and the other guy (Turner) is a vastly superior scorer. There is still a very good chance that this team will start turning in stronger performances without "bad" Rondo here sucking up usage and refusing to shoot or drive to score.

[BannersOnly]

For the record, I hate the Trade and feel its one of many Danny's bad moves that tends to get swept under the rug on this board; I'm expecting Zeller to regress, Bradley to be even more useless without Rondo catching him on outlets (why did we extend him), and these late picks and Wright to be underwhelming.....but hey, I bought that damn league pass so I'm stuck with this crap.

Many bad moves? Which moves are these? I wouldn't call extending Bradley a bad move. He had little trade value and if we let him walk, then you'd complain just as loud.

My idea of rebuilding and building a contending team for years to come does not include undersized two guards with a nonexistent all-around offensive game. Everyone brags about Bradley's supposed "great" defense yet I still don't see it. Very good? Yes. Great? No. You think a 6-3 shooting guard(and I still say he's 6-2 at best) is checking a 6-7 stud shooting guard like Jimmy Butler in a 7 game series? I want SIZE at every position on my basketball team. I can't stand undersized players unless they are absolutely GREAT.............bad signing by Danny. You can do better than Avery effin Bradley I'm sorry.

[Stadium5]

For the record, I hate the Trade and feel its one of many Danny's bad moves that tends to get swept under the rug on this board; I'm expecting Zeller to regress, Bradley to be even more useless without Rondo catching him on outlets (why did we extend him), and these late picks and Wright to be underwhelming.....but hey, I bought that damn league pass so I'm stuck with this crap.

Many bad moves? Which moves are these? I wouldn't call extending Bradley a bad move. He had little trade value and if we let him walk, then you'd complain just as loud.

My idea of rebuilding and building a contending team for years to come does not include undersized two guards with a nonexistent all-around offensive game. Everyone brags about Bradley's supposed "great" defense yet I still don't see it. Very good? Yes. Great? No. You think a 6-3 shooting guard(and I still say he's 6-2 at best) is checking a 6-7 stud shooting guard like Jimmy Butler in a 7 game series? I want SIZE at every position on my basketball team. I can't stand undersized players unless they are absolutely GREAT.............bad signing by Danny. You can do better than Avery effin Bradley I'm sorry.

Spot on. Couldn't agree more.

Avery was a good player until we overpaid him. Nowwe have that much less money to pay someone that will have to compensate for Bradley's inabilities

[LarryBirdsFingr]

For the record, I hate the Trade and feel its one of many Danny's bad moves that tends to get swept under the rug on this board; I'm expecting Zeller to regress, Bradley to be even more useless without Rondo catching him on outlets (why did we extend him), and these late picks and Wright to be underwhelming.....but hey, I bought that damn league pass so I'm stuck with this crap.

Many bad moves? Which moves are these? I wouldn't call extending Bradley a bad move. He had little trade value and if we let him walk, then you'd complain just as loud.

My idea of rebuilding and building a contending team for years to come does not include undersized two guards with a nonexistent all-around offensive game. Everyone brags about Bradley's supposed "great" defense yet I still don't see it. Very good? Yes. Great? No. You think a 6-3 shooting guard(and I still say he's 6-2 at best) is checking a 6-7 stud shooting guard like Jimmy Butler in a 7 game series? I want SIZE at every position on my basketball team. I can't stand undersized players unless they are absolutely GREAT.............bad signing by Danny. You can do better than Avery effin Bradley I'm sorry.

He's going to be traded Banners, relax.

[tfmiii]

3. We are building around Stevens not Rondo - J Smith and Perk can FINALY be a never was, or former Cs. Bringing these two to Boston due to the "Rondo" connection can finally die. At least Ainge was smart enough to not make this mistake. I've posted many times that we never ever made a move to accommodate Rondo since we traded away Pierce and KG, now we never will. Giving him a max would have had its risks...let Cuban deal with it.

4. Helping Dallas. Hear that sound? That's Morey and Doc Sh--ing their pants. We just fired off a HUGE F U to Morey who is "holding out for better" at the expense of already having Dwight (so bizarre) and the Clips, whom we coincidently own their pick. I feel like with Sac dicing their coach, Rondo or not they are wrecked right now...we crushed the asset rich West that may have fire sales of their own when they realize they can't extend players, and can't compete with elite either. Include Phoenix to the list too.

loved point three and especially point four, they had me laughing out loud, i am still smiling while typing this

Even when Danny can't get what he wants he still manages to stick it to someone else at the same time... you hear that Riley?

[tfmiii]

Many bad moves? Which moves are these? I wouldn't call extending Bradley a bad move. He had little trade value and if we let him walk, then you'd complain just as loud.

My idea of rebuilding and building a contending team for years to come does not include undersized two guards with a nonexistent all-around offensive game. Everyone brags about Bradley's supposed "great" defense yet I still don't see it. Very good? Yes. Great? No. You think a 6-3 shooting guard(and I still say he's 6-2 at best) is checking a 6-7 stud shooting guard like Jimmy Butler in a 7 game series? I want SIZE at every position on my basketball team. I can't stand undersized players unless they are absolutely GREAT.............bad signing by Danny. You can do better than Avery effin Bradley I'm sorry.

He's going to be traded Banners, relax.

I take it you are throwing that out half seriously in 'well, everyone is now on the block' manner and half if a 'ok, we all know how you feel about Bradley' manner?

or is there something specific being discussed...?

[sully00]

That rumor means a lot for our Brooklyn picks, too.. They can turn themselves into a nice, lean team pretty quickly.. Just need to find a taker for Brook Lopez.

But they are getting 3 bench players for their best player. Without a draft pick that deal is devastating.

When you think that they gave up
Favors, Kanter, and Gorgiu Dieng for Williams
Lillard for Wallace
Then the picks they have sent Boston man that is brutal.

If I was Silver I might think about getting involved here I would not let them liquidate that team without getting some picks back.

Silver has no say in the matter...

Are you kidding? The league approves every deal. Who do you think they are on the phone with when they are on a trade call? The Nets are Billion dollar asset in marquee market. If the league feels that Prok is going to strip the franchise of talent to cut costs for a sale then they very well may say that they will buy the team and manage the liquidation of the roster and sale of the team.

That said Williams may not warrant a draft pick coming back he may well be a negative asset at this point.

[humblebum]

Licking my chops thinking about those Nets picks.

And LBF.... what the hell? Bradley is gonna be traded, that inside info?

[Bohemian]

Licking my chops thinking about those Nets picks.

And LBF.... what the hell? Bradley is gonna be traded, that inside info?

I would be happy if that happened.

A friend and I were discussing the possible reasons of the decline of Avery´s production this year and we reached the following conclusions:

1. He has grown relaxed after signing his multiyear deal (hello Mark Blount?)

2. He is hurt. Maybe he is still suffering from the often injured shoulders. If you have noticed, he doesn´t penetrate any more, just shooting from everywhere. He doesn´t fight as hard in defense, also. Maybe he is scared of contact because he has some pain.

[humblebum]

Licking my chops thinking about those Nets picks.

And LBF.... what the hell? Bradley is gonna be traded, that inside info?

I would be happy if that happened.

A friend and I were discussing the possible reasons of the decline of Avery´s production this year and we reached the following conclusions:

1. He has grown relaxed after signing his multiyear deal (hello Mark Blount?)

2. He is hurt. Maybe he is still suffering from the often injured shoulders. If you have noticed, he doesn´t penetrate any more, just shooting from everywhere. He doesn´t fight as hard in defense, also. Maybe he is scared of contact because he has some pain.

I don't think he's been any less good defensively as the season has wore on. At the beginning of the year I don't think he quite had his basketball conditioning or legs under him and he was getting beat. Now he's being hyper aggressive and has been doing a great job of forcing the other team to start their offense later in the clock. He's also been getting through picks a bit better as well... though I agree he doesn't handle these as aggressively as a Smart or famously Tony Allen (but that's not much of a knock, as both of those guys are in the 1% of guys who can blast through those picks while still having the fundamentals defensively along with that elite quickness and length laterally.

What Bradley does to counteract that is recover very well and he can get that block from behind especially against these PG's who he can generally overwhelm with his length and athleticism.

But overall... I'm not too concerned if they do trade Bradley. Provided they get a building block piece in return. Still love the idea of a Smart, Bradley, Young young backcourt.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

My idea of rebuilding and building a contending team for years to come does not include undersized two guards with a nonexistent all-around offensive game. Everyone brags about Bradley's supposed "great" defense yet I still don't see it. Very good? Yes. Great? No. You think a 6-3 shooting guard(and I still say he's 6-2 at best) is checking a 6-7 stud shooting guard like Jimmy Butler in a 7 game series? I want SIZE at every position on my basketball team. I can't stand undersized players unless they are absolutely GREAT.............bad signing by Danny. You can do better than Avery effin Bradley I'm sorry.

He's going to be traded Banners, relax.

I take it you are throwing that out half seriously in 'well, everyone is now on the block' manner and half if a 'ok, we all know how you feel about Bradley' manner

or is there something specific being discussed...?

A little bit of everything, I reported almost a year ago that they wanted to lock bradley up to secure an asset, and wouldn't trade him until he got his new contract so it is of substantial monetary value before thinking about moving him. As far as I know they aren't actively shopping him

[humblebum]

He's going to be traded Banners, relax.

I take it you are throwing that out half seriously in 'well, everyone is now on the block' manner and half if a 'ok, we all know how you feel about Bradley' manner

or is there something specific being discussed...?

A little bit of everything, I reported almost a year ago that they wanted to lock bradley up to secure an asset, and wouldn't trade him until he got his new contract so it is of substantial monetary value before thinking about moving him. As far as I know they aren't actively shopping him

Makes sense to not be shopping him at this point.

Hasn't exactly performed at a high level. If he is traded it will be after a stretch of good play. Bradley is the type of player at the deadline who has tremendous value to a contender for each of the next few years. He's the type of player who can just be plugged in to start or come off the bench at two positions. He doesn't need to touch the ball a whole lot and he can be respectable shooting the ball and avoiding turnovers. Still has plenty of upside as well.

Good contract for him too.

[Edug27]

For the record, I hate the Trade and feel its one of many Danny's bad moves that tends to get swept under the rug on this board; I'm expecting Zeller to regress, Bradley to be even more useless without Rondo catching him on outlets (why did we extend him), and these late picks and Wright to be underwhelming.....but hey, I bought that damn league pass so I'm stuck with this crap.

Many bad moves? Which moves are these? I wouldn't call extending Bradley a bad move. He had little trade value and if we let him walk, then you'd complain just as loud.

Stop baiting me into this. I'm looking for some positives here. "Danny Defenders" always pop up immediately after someone disagrees with any of Danny's moves. I'm not playing anymore. Our record and roster will speak for itself.Yes he's made excellent moves and I've commended them. But I've also recognized the bad moves to.

Baiting? Danny defenders? I was just asking a question .. I was asking what those bad moves were. Way too defensive here.

[jfs1000d]

Celtics are fine. I don't get all the handwringing.

Rondo just isn't good enough to have this much hand wringing. He isn't a once in a generation talent. He isn't a top 10 NBA player, he isn't some kind of dominant player. He is a very good point guard. That's the easiest position to replace on a team.

Avery Johnson was a PG on a title team. We gotta relax with this. Eddie House was our best PG down the stretch in 2008. Let's not over estimate his impact on the game. I like him. We would have traded him long ago if it wasn't for the knee injury. Stuff happens. He stopped playing hard here. Does anyone deny that?

We got some pieces, some payroll flexibility, and Wright is a guy who I think we will give more than 20 minutes a night and see if that PER scales. Rondo was good at finding Zeller, but it's not like we don't have anyone who can pass on this team.

Rondo's loss will be felt in organization and tempo and execution in the halfcourt.