Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[Fencer reregistered]

I just realized something about sign-and-trades.

If I'm reading the CBA correctly, we can trade for a player using cap room, and then immediately flip him in an outgoing trade. E.g. -- in a hypothetical Griffin/Melo 3-way, we could clear enough cap room to pay Melo his $26,243,760, then trade him for Griffin. In the same deal, the Clips could take in $11 million more in salary, whether of our players or other teams', or yet more if they also sent other players out.

I'll stop there to see if you guys think I'm reading the CBA rules correctly.

[165bows]

I just realized something about sign-and-trades.

If I'm reading the CBA correctly, we can trade for a player using cap room, and then immediately flip him in an outgoing trade. E.g. -- in a hypothetical Griffin/Melo 3-way, we could clear enough cap room to pay Melo his $26,243,760, then trade him for Griffin. In the same deal, the Clips could take in $11 million more in salary, whether of our players or other teams', or yet more if they also sent other players out.

I'll stop there to see if you guys think I'm reading the CBA rules correctly.

I'd have to refresh my memory on that, but that would help the Clips if they didn't make a sign and trade and rather just made a trade outright for incoming salary. Similar to years here in Boston, DoC Rivers has been up against the hard cap every year for various reasons.

[Iguodaladon]

Has anyone thought of trading for the artist known as the Manimal? He would solve our rebounding woes, provide a good rim running partner for IT, he's on an affordable contract and he's relatively young as well. Denver has been pretty keen to get rid of him for a while so he shouldn't be too hard to acquire. Thoughts?

Definitely not against it. Depends on how the team shakes out tho.

Making 13mil next 2 years. We could give him his 24mpg & he'll get us his usual 10 & 8.

The issue is he doesn't stretch the floor & he's not a good rim protector. So where doe he fit? That said, i'd still take him cause we'll be that desperate. If we get Blake? I'll pass. If not, i'll take him for sure. Esp with Horford shooting so many 3's now a days.

I hear you on the spacing, but every man and his dog can spread the floor for us on our team; try and find someone to rebound and you'll be listening to a chorus of crickets. I think one of the forgotten beauties of a spread floor is providing room for athletic freaks like Faried to barel to the rim and dunk, he'd definitely add an interesting wrinkle to our offense

[2Mas]

Lol facts.

Add a #1 pick & trade a role guy who's gonig to be way overpriced for an all star? While only having to renounce bench guys that we don't wanna resign anyway.

Seems like a sure in for me.

It's not like we are trading anything for Hayward lol.

No. But you're investing max money in him. The tricky part becomes juggling vets in their prime, with young players who need time on the court to develop. That's not as easy as one may think. That's why I believe if we sign Hayward, then Jaylen's days here are numbered.

When your paying people big bucks, value deals are key. This is the issue the Cavs & Clips are having. & why ppl like Miami, Golden State make good. Where's Cle's McGee deal? Ian Clark deal? Jame Johnson? McGruder? These dudes make that rotation from 7 to 9-10.

So we overpay Thomas Hayward Horford sure. But Fultz Smart Brown Crowder will make $23m combined. So that's all evened out.& That's already 7 ppl in our rotation. Fill out the bench with trading Bradley for like Brandan Wright so save $, & play Zizic & sign a big with the MLE.

& if next year we need to trade Crowder to open up more playing time fine. I am 100% confident in our 5 man guard rotation as Thomas Fultz Smart Brown Hayward. I'd even be willing to give IT that extension this summer & another 3 after this year so we eat year 1 already.

[Fencer reregistered]

I just realized something about sign-and-trades.

If I'm reading the CBA correctly, we can trade for a player using cap room, and then immediately flip him in an outgoing trade. E.g. -- in a hypothetical Griffin/Melo 3-way, we could clear enough cap room to pay Melo his $26,243,760, then trade him for Griffin. In the same deal, the Clips could take in $11 million more in salary, whether of our players or other teams', or yet more if they also sent other players out.

I'll stop there to see if you guys think I'm reading the CBA rules correctly.

I'd have to refresh my memory on that, but that would help the Clips if they didn't make a sign and trade and rather just made a trade outright for incoming salary. Similar to years here in Boston, DoC Rivers has been up against the hard cap every year for various reasons.

This scenario includes a major outgoing S&T for the Clippers ... unless you think Griffin accepts his option to be underpaid in 2017-18. Is there a reason why he might do that?

[dlaflare]

I'm slowly coming along on the idea of signing Hayward.

IT / Fultz
Brown
Hayward
Horford

That's a solid 5 guys to keep building around.

.... slowly coming along....

Smart? Gotta include him. He is going no where (I hope).

[Asian Celtic]

Man, if anyway Danny can snag the Minny pick for AB/Jae + something if Isaac is available i'd be ecstatic with our team in the near future. Imagine the length of these guys in their prime.

Fultz
Brown
Isaac
BK18
Zizic

None of these kids are UNDERSIZED with a potential defensive versatility all over the court.

[165bows]

I just realized something about sign-and-trades.

If I'm reading the CBA correctly, we can trade for a player using cap room, and then immediately flip him in an outgoing trade. E.g. -- in a hypothetical Griffin/Melo 3-way, we could clear enough cap room to pay Melo his $26,243,760, then trade him for Griffin. In the same deal, the Clips could take in $11 million more in salary, whether of our players or other teams', or yet more if they also sent other players out.

I'll stop there to see if you guys think I'm reading the CBA rules correctly.

I'd have to refresh my memory on that, but that would help the Clips if they didn't make a sign and trade and rather just made a trade outright for incoming salary. Similar to years here in Boston, DoC Rivers has been up against the hard cap every year for various reasons.

This scenario includes a major outgoing S&T for the Clippers ... unless you think Griffin accepts his option to be underpaid in 2017-18. Is there a reason why he might do that?

Only incoming s/t triggers the hard cap. Outgoing doesn't affect it.

[yeahM8]

just had a half assed google search for when teams are allowed to start trading but it came up with conflicting sources.

so i ask

when does trade season begin?

[Fencer reregistered]

just had a half assed google search for when teams are allowed to start trading but it came up with conflicting sources.

so i ask

when does trade season begin?

Check the CBA FAQ by Larry Coon. That's the go-to reference for everything except a few details that were changed in the 2017 deal.

From memory, I'd say that officially a team can trade whenever its season ends. In practice, I've never heard of a deal after the trade deadline but more than a few days before draft.

[Higgs Boston]

Man, if anyway Danny can snag the Minny pick for AB/Jae + something if Isaac is available i'd be ecstatic with our team in the near future. Imagine the length of these guys in their prime.

Fultz
Brown
Isaac
BK18
Zizic

None of these kids are UNDERSIZED with a potential defensive versatility all over the court.

Isaac will be a PF in the NBA.

[Edug27]

I'm slowly coming along on the idea of signing Hayward.

IT / Fultz
Brown
Hayward
Horford

That's a solid 5 guys to keep building around.

.... slowly coming along....

Smart? Gotta include him. He is going no where (I hope).

I'm hoping he does.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Man, if anyway Danny can snag the Minny pick for AB/Jae + something if Isaac is available i'd be ecstatic with our team in the near future. Imagine the length of these guys in their prime.

Fultz
Brown
Isaac
BK18
Zizic

None of these kids are UNDERSIZED with a potential defensive versatility all over the court.

Just, careful. Darius Miles says yo - guys like Isaac, Anthony Randolph, Joe Alexander bust a lot.

Could we do something like AB/Jae to MIN, Rubio to ORL, Vuc, 6, 7 to Boston?

[Fencer reregistered]

just had a half assed google search for when teams are allowed to start trading but it came up with conflicting sources.

so i ask

when does trade season begin?

Check the CBA FAQ by Larry Coon. That's the go-to reference for everything except a few details that were changed in the 2017 deal.

From memory, I'd say that officially a team can trade whenever its season ends. In practice, I've never heard of a deal after the trade deadline but more than a few days before draft.

I just checked. It seems that my memory was correct.

Also -- I can't see anything in BYC (an obsolete concept, actually) or its successors that would interfere with S&Ting Olynyk, provided that the Cs are still under the cap before the trade (and that they haven't renounced his rights).

[Froob]

I just realized something about sign-and-trades.

If I'm reading the CBA correctly, we can trade for a player using cap room, and then immediately flip him in an outgoing trade. E.g. -- in a hypothetical Griffin/Melo 3-way, we could clear enough cap room to pay Melo his $26,243,760, then trade him for Griffin. In the same deal, the Clips could take in $11 million more in salary, whether of our players or other teams', or yet more if they also sent other players out.

I'll stop there to see if you guys think I'm reading the CBA rules correctly.

Why wouldn't Blake opt out? I've heard guys like Simmons say to help the Clippers out but why is Griffin going out of his way to help the Clippers? Suppose we could get him a new contract after but I doubt he tries to get his new team less assets when he can out right sign there.

[Froob]

Man, if anyway Danny can snag the Minny pick for AB/Jae + something if Isaac is available i'd be ecstatic with our team in the near future. Imagine the length of these guys in their prime.

Fultz
Brown
Isaac
BK18
Zizic

None of these kids are UNDERSIZED with a potential defensive versatility all over the court.

Just, careful. Darius Miles says yo - guys like Isaac, Anthony Randolph, Joe Alexander bust a lot.

Could we do something like AB/Jae to MIN, Rubio to ORL, Vuc, 6, 7 to Boston?

6 & 7 for just those two? I'd say hell no. Awful trade for Orlando.

[Fencer reregistered]

I just realized something about sign-and-trades.

If I'm reading the CBA correctly, we can trade for a player using cap room, and then immediately flip him in an outgoing trade. E.g. -- in a hypothetical Griffin/Melo 3-way, we could clear enough cap room to pay Melo his $26,243,760, then trade him for Griffin. In the same deal, the Clips could take in $11 million more in salary, whether of our players or other teams', or yet more if they also sent other players out.

I'll stop there to see if you guys think I'm reading the CBA rules correctly.

Why wouldn't Blake opt out? I've heard guys like Simmons say to help the Clippers out but why is Griffin going out of his way to help the Clippers? Suppose we could get him a new contract after but I doubt he tries to get his new team less assets when he can out right sign there.

I agree that Griffin will opt out. If his opt-out deadline is surprisingly late, I guess he could wait to make it easier to be traded, but I bet if somebody checks that won't turn out to be a possibility.

Meanwhile, what I wrote in the quote above needs to be limited. One can trade for a player and send him out quickly only if no other player salaries sent out in the deal are added to his for cap-rule reasons. But fortunately for one particular group of trade ideas, Melo's salary is high enough that he could bring back a max salary guy on his own.

[Elrod is Back]

I’ll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours.

Here is an off-season that makes us stronger next year and does not require sacrificing the future for the present.

1. Trade Avery Bradley for Richaun Holmes. If need be, sweeten the pot with a non-Brooklyn, non-Memphis future no. 1 pick. Just get it done.
2. Renounce rights to Kelly Olynyk, and all other free agents except Demetrius Jackson. (Either trade Jackson or keep him; gain little capspace by releasing him because of guarantee.)
These two steps immediately make it possible to offer a max contract to Gordon Hayward
3. Sign Gordon Hayward to a max deal
4. Get Hayward and Isaiah on a jet with Brad and Danny—and maybe Tom Brady—to LA to visit Blake Griffin. Convince him to sign a max deal with the Cs
5. Let Doc know Griffin wants to sign with the Cs, and unless Doc does a sign-and-trade with the Cs for Griffin, Griffin will likely sign with Miami or another team that has capspace and the Clippers will have nothing.
6. Trade Horford and Crowder to the Clips for Griffin, who has signed a max contract
7. This creates a $3.5 million trade exception for the Cs to use


Cs roster/rotation 2017-18

5—Zizic……..Holmes
4—Griffin…..Yabusele
3—Hayward
2—Brown…..Smart
1—Thomas …Fultz

Deep bench:

Abdel Nader
Terry Rozier
Demetrius Jackson

That leaves 3 spots open, plus the two G-league guys. These slots can be filled by the three 2nd rounders, street free agents, and/or maybe a couple of Gerald Green type guys on vet minimum contracts. Danny can wheel and deal to round out the roster as need be.

[Froob]

I’ll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours.

Here is an off-season that makes us stronger next year and does not require sacrificing the future for the present.

1. Trade Avery Bradley for Richaun Holmes. If need be, sweeten the pot with a non-Brooklyn, non-Memphis future no. 1 pick. Just get it done.
2. Renounce rights to Kelly Olynyk, and all other free agents
These two steps immediately make it possible to offer a max contract to Gordon Hayward
3. Sign Gordon Hayward to a max deal
4. Get Hayward and Isaiah on a jet with Brad and Danny—and maybe Tom Brady—to LA to visit Blake Griffin. Convince him to sign a max deal with the Cs
5. Let Doc know Griffin wants to sign with the Cs, and unless Doc does a sign-and-trade with the Cs for Griffin, Griffin will likely sign with Miami or another team that has capspace and the Clippers will have nothing.
6. Trade Horford and Crowder to the Clips for Griffin, who has signed a max contract
7. This creates a $3.5 million trade exception for the Cs to use


Cs roster/rotation 2017-18

5—Zizic……..Holmes
4—Griffin…..Yabusele
3—Hayward
2—Brown…..Smart
1—Thomas …Fultz

Deep bench:

Abdel Nader
Terry Rozier

That leaves 4 spots open, plus the two G-league guys. These slots can be filled by the three 2nd rounders, street free agents, and/or maybe a couple of Gerald Green type guys on vet minimum contracts. Danny can wheel and deal to round out the roster as need be.

Seems like a stretch to be honest.

[Elrod is Back]

I’ll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours.

Here is an off-season that makes us stronger next year and does not require sacrificing the future for the present.

1. Trade Avery Bradley for Richaun Holmes. If need be, sweeten the pot with a non-Brooklyn, non-Memphis future no. 1 pick. Just get it done.
2. Renounce rights to Kelly Olynyk, and all other free agents
These two steps immediately make it possible to offer a max contract to Gordon Hayward
3. Sign Gordon Hayward to a max deal
4. Get Hayward and Isaiah on a jet with Brad and Danny—and maybe Tom Brady—to LA to visit Blake Griffin. Convince him to sign a max deal with the Cs
5. Let Doc know Griffin wants to sign with the Cs, and unless Doc does a sign-and-trade with the Cs for Griffin, Griffin will likely sign with Miami or another team that has capspace and the Clippers will have nothing.
6. Trade Horford and Crowder to the Clips for Griffin, who has signed a max contract
7. This creates a $3.5 million trade exception for the Cs to use


Cs roster/rotation 2017-18

5—Zizic……..Holmes
4—Griffin…..Yabusele
3—Hayward
2—Brown…..Smart
1—Thomas …Fultz

Deep bench:

Abdel Nader
Terry Rozier

That leaves 4 spots open, plus the two G-league guys. These slots can be filled by the three 2nd rounders, street free agents, and/or maybe a couple of Gerald Green type guys on vet minimum contracts. Danny can wheel and deal to round out the roster as need be.

Seems like a stretch to be honest.

Difficult to argue with such impeccable logic.