Slartibartfast wrote:DarkAzcura wrote:[instagram][/instagram]
Slartibartfast wrote:
To the bolded, which is really what this whole argument revolves around: the question with immigration policy is who is "we"?
Does everyone in the world have an equal right to be an American resident or citizen? Or do Americans share equal rights that we don't share equally with everyone else?
It's also important to parse out nationality and race, so we're not just carpet-bombing the landscape with cries of racism.
South Korea is a country where 99+% of the nation is the same race and ethnicity. It makes sense to conflate race and nation in that case.
Not so much with the modern US, which is roughly 60% non-Hispanic white, 17% Hispanic, 13% black, and 5% Asian. The pre-60s set-up of 90/10 biracial country with overwhelmingly dominant white supermajority is dead and gone. To be a modern American nationalist is very far removed from white nationalism. The American nationalists explicitly desire racial unity, even if you want to decry that unity as perpetuating the dominance of historically oppressive white culture. The white nationalists (and the black nationalists for that matter) want race war leading to either segregation or secession. Big difference.
Never really talked about American nationalism. I did talk about white nationalism. Trying to make immigration sound like anything but a race issue is just a way to make it sound nicer and less morally wrong to Republicans.
People generally don't want immigrants in this country because they fear criminals entering this country. That fear is unfounded and based completely in racist ideology. People try to cover it up with 'they will steal our jobs' but that's just BS. People don't
really care when the immigrants are coming from Europe, but immigrants from Mexico and the Middle East? Bad for some reason. Why do you think so?
Immigration wasn't really the big point of my post anyway. It's really about racism in general and how it's not over-dramatized. That is just an insane thing to say. It's really belittling.
White nationalism is far less prevalent than American nationalism. You are seeing the former everywhere and the latter nowhere, which is heavily coloring your analysis.
I'm seeing the former everywhere because that's what our president is. The current adminstration are basically white nationalists. A big push for them coming into power was from the alt-right movement, which is white nationalism, and Trump has had plenty of issues denouncing those movements even if he has eventually. It's like pulling teeth trying to get him to say anything negative about the alt-right.
I hope to hell you don't think Trump and his guys are simply American nationalists. They are so far from it and clearly have some racist idealogy running through them. Do you honestly disagree with that?
I also hope you don't think not wanting Muslims and Mexicans in this country is a simple case of American nationalism. It's racism.
Seems to me you are the one who is seeing a lot more American nationalism then there actually is. Not me with white nationalism. But obviously it's subjective and neither one of us can really say who is right or who is wrong about what is more prevalent between American and white nationalism. Not sure why you are speaking like it's some kind of fact that American nationalism is more prevelant (the white population dropping from 90% to 60% is not a good reason either), and I also have no idea why you are overlooking the root cause of why people don't want Muslim and Mexican immigrants in this country. Do you honestly believe that is a case of American nationalism?
This whole back and forth about American nationalism (which I never even brought up) vs white nationalism completely shades my original point. I have no idea why you are jumping down the throat of my immigration point when it was clearly not even the point of my original post. Slart, sometimes I think we just don't understand each other, lol.
