What is Jayson Tatum's ceiling?

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He's AVERAGING 25/10/5 in the playoffs now. Who had him pegged as a potential triple double threat?

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He's AVERAGING 25/10/5 in the playoffs now. Who had him pegged as a potential triple double threat?

I understand that he is making mistakes out there, and that he still takes some bad shots. But what he is doing on a nightly basis at his age is pretty close to unprecedented.

To answer this thread, he has no ceiling. The impact stats are even better than the raw numbers, which are also elite. Like Lowe said, his upside is scary.

[sam_I_am]

Paul Pierce’s statistical best playoffs was at age 26 when he averaged 19 shots, 27 ppg, 9 rebs, 6.7 asst on 40% from field and 36% from 3 in 10 games. Tatum is doing as well at age 22 with 19 shots, 25 ppg, 10 reb, 5 asst, 44% fg%, 38% 3 pt %. Pierce got to free throw line nearly 12 times per game vs. 7 for Tatum. Tatum’s defensive impact has been greater.

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He's AVERAGING 25/10/5 in the playoffs now. Who had him pegged as a potential triple double threat?

The kid is special. Just needs to protect the ball better, that's his biggest weakness.

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He's AVERAGING 25/10/5 in the playoffs now. Who had him pegged as a potential triple double threat?

The kid is special. Just needs to protect the ball better, that's his biggest weakness.

His handle is too high, he needs to learn how to stay lower with it, especially when driving into traffic. This is what Jaylen has really improved so much since bubble play.

Him and Hanlon will be all over it after the season.

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His ceiling? Kevin Durant. He’s gotta improve his decision making on court, particularly in crunch time. There’s been a couple of times where he’s made a boneheaded move when it really mattered (e.g. the pass to Nurse). If he’s going to be our superstar he needs to be able to put the team on his back and will us to victory. I haven’t seen that from him, yet. But I’m sure it’s not far away.

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Best player in the league and MVP. Better shooter, scorer and closer than Giannis. Better defender and all around player than Luka. Not a lock that he gets there but that’s his potential.

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Larry Bird wasn't putting up these numbers in the NBA playoffs when he was 22. 'Cos he was still in college.

And Tatum is playing better defense.

As for defenses faced: Jokic has spent a little over half the playoffs so far against the teams of Gobert or Howard/Davis, while Tatum has spent exactly half against Toronto (but a Toronto that was more focused on giving fits to Kemba than to Jayson).

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Tatum comes in at #2, behind Luka. Jaylen is at #11.

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Tatum comes in at #2, behind Luka. Jaylen is at #11.

The one exec who didn’t have Tatum in his top 5.

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Tatum comes in at #2, behind Luka. Jaylen is at #11.

Pretty good list, a little too caught up on the shiny new toys in my opinion, but solid list. Also a little surprising that Trae Young wasnt on the list. But I think at the moment 1 and 2 is pretty obvious.

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Tatum comes in at #2, behind Luka. Jaylen is at #11.

The one exec who didn’t have Tatum in his top 5.

And at this scout's command of the English language.

“Tatum’s size and offensive skills are what appeals me to him,” one scout told HoopsHype.

[Jaqua92]

Paul Pierce’s statistical best playoffs was at age 26 when he averaged 19 shots, 27 ppg, 9 rebs, 6.7 asst on 40% from field and 36% from 3 in 10 games. Tatum is doing as well at age 22 with 19 shots, 25 ppg, 10 reb, 5 asst, 44% fg%, 38% 3 pt %. Pierce got to free throw line nearly 12 times per game vs. 7 for Tatum. Tatum’s defensive impact has been greater.

And this is because of different game today.

Tatum is absolutely not as good as prime Paul Pierce. Absolutely not. Will he be better?

Yeah. He will.

But he's not there now.

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Paul Pierce’s statistical best playoffs was at age 26 when he averaged 19 shots, 27 ppg, 9 rebs, 6.7 asst on 40% from field and 36% from 3 in 10 games. Tatum is doing as well at age 22 with 19 shots, 25 ppg, 10 reb, 5 asst, 44% fg%, 38% 3 pt %. Pierce got to free throw line nearly 12 times per game vs. 7 for Tatum. Tatum’s defensive impact has been greater.

And this is because of different game today.

Tatum is absolutely not as good as prime Paul Pierce. Absolutely not. Will he be better?

Yeah. He will.

But he's not there now.

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Yet, Tatum is on par with Pierce' best statistical playoff performance. Not just raw numbers, but also TS%, win shares, BPM, etcetera.

But I do think that how the game has changed can favour modern players or previous legends by comparing a certain set of stats. Teams run less with a traditional point guard, rebound more by committee, play less post play, stars play less minutes.

Example comparison playoffs 2002/2003 and 2019/2020:

Playoffs 2002/03 (averaging per game (>5 games): >24PTS, >8REB, >4ASS)
Kevin Garnett 27/16/5
Paul Pierce 27/9/7
Tim Duncan 25/15/5

Playoffs 2019/20 (averaging per game (>5 games): >24PTS, >8REB, >4ASS)
Luka Doncic 31/10/9
Kawhi Leonard 28/9/6
Giannis Antetokounmpo 27/14/6
LeBron James 26/10/9
Nikola Jokic 25/10/6
Jayson Tatum 25/10/5

However by these certain conditions on points, rebounds and assists we lost:

Playoffs 2002/03
Tracy McGrady 32/7/5
Kobe Bryant 32/5/5
Allen Iverson 32/4/7
Shaquille O'Neal 27/15/4
Dirk Nowitzki 25/12/2
Chris Webber 24/8/4
Jermaine O'Neal 23/18/1
Peja Stojakovic 23/7/3
Jason Kidd 20/8/8

Playoffs 2019/20
Donovan Mitchell 36/5/5
James Harden 30/6/8
Anthony Davis 29/11/4
Jamal Murray 27/5/6
Chris Paul 21/7/5
Bam Adebayo 18/11/5

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Paul Pierce’s statistical best playoffs was at age 26 when he averaged 19 shots, 27 ppg, 9 rebs, 6.7 asst on 40% from field and 36% from 3 in 10 games. Tatum is doing as well at age 22 with 19 shots, 25 ppg, 10 reb, 5 asst, 44% fg%, 38% 3 pt %. Pierce got to free throw line nearly 12 times per game vs. 7 for Tatum. Tatum’s defensive impact has been greater.

And this is because of different game today.

Tatum is absolutely not as good as prime Paul Pierce. Absolutely not. Will he be better?

Yeah. He will.

But he's not there now.

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26 yo Paul Pierce was not as good as prime time Pierce either. Tatum has benefit of superior organizational support and coaching as well as more talented teammates like Horford, Kyrie, Hayward etc. It is impossible to compare eras, but Tatum’s team accomplishments and his ranking amongst contemporary players is already greater than 26 yo Pierce. I think that adds to the quality of his individual stats. I still give a huge edge to Pierce for his toughness and ability to finish at the rim. I believe however that barring injury, Tatum will be on a whole different level physically when he is 26.

[Jaqua92]

Paul Pierce’s statistical best playoffs was at age 26 when he averaged 19 shots, 27 ppg, 9 rebs, 6.7 asst on 40% from field and 36% from 3 in 10 games. Tatum is doing as well at age 22 with 19 shots, 25 ppg, 10 reb, 5 asst, 44% fg%, 38% 3 pt %. Pierce got to free throw line nearly 12 times per game vs. 7 for Tatum. Tatum’s defensive impact has been greater.

And this is because of different game today.

Tatum is absolutely not as good as prime Paul Pierce. Absolutely not. Will he be better?

Yeah. He will.

But he's not there now.

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26 yo Paul Pierce was not as good as prime time Pierce either. Tatum has benefit of superior organizational support and coaching as well as more talented teammates like Horford, Kyrie, Hayward etc. It is impossible to compare eras, but Tatum’s team accomplishments and his ranking amongst contemporary players is already greater than 26 yo Pierce. I think that adds to the quality of his individual stats. I still give a huge edge to Pierce for his toughness and ability to finish at the rim. I believe however that barring injury, Tatum will be on a whole different level physically when he is 26.

Not denying that.

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