What is Jaylen Brown's ceiling?

[Wes-J]

Count me in the category of being wrong too. Don't get me wrong I was all about Jaylen predraft but never did I believe at any point till this season he could be an all-nba player. Yeah he's not there yet but we're having that conversation.

[Homerclease]

Bannersonly somewhere right now.

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[Fencer reregistered]

Best player on the team. Has the fire that Tatum doesn't. Stats and kobe step backs can be fools gold.

One thing you can say about both guys right now is that they are poised with good mental makeup. Very even-keeled. If I had to pick one for "fire", I go Tatum, but at the least definitely do not see a advantage to Jaylen there.

I think they are in agreement that Jaylen is Fire and Jayson is Ice.

Tatum is still the better finesse player. What we're celebrating is how far Brown has narrowed the gap.
Brown is the better power player. Brown barrels through a crowd that Tatum would zoom around.
So it is on defense too. Brown is better at bodying up. Tatum is better at sticking a long arm into a passing lane.

[ddb]

I'm not sure if this comment is fair to Tatum. I've seen plenty of fire and passion from JT. Yes, he's calm, cool, and collected, but he shows emotion too.

What's your beef with JT?

I don’t want to put words in his mouth, but I’m thinking he means it more as a compliment to Jaylen than a sleight at Tatum.

Tatum is already a top 10 player, and will likely be top 5. So if Jaylen ends up better than that, I’d be ecstatic, as we would win multiple championships lol. I just think top 15 is more likely, and more than good enough if Danny gets them some help.

I know you've come up from like top 25 but you're gonna have to move your projection up again. JB will crack the ten eventually as some of these other vet stars trickle out of the league or just fade away.

IMO Tatum is on the fringe but not top 10 yet.

Lebron
Giannis
KD
Curry
Harden
Jokic
Leonard
Davis
Embiid
Doncic

Lilliard/Tatum

Fair list. Different than mine. I look at overall game. Harden, for example is a horrible defender. So even though he's an all-timer offensively, I have him fringe Top10. Doncic is a huge stats guy, but efficiency wise and defensively Tatum is the better option. Would you trade Tatum straight up for Doncic? Tough call.

LeBron/KD/Giannis/Leonard/Curry/Davis/Jokic/Tatum/Doncic/Embiid/Harden/Dame

[fallguy]

I have Tatum somewhere between 10-15.

More to the point of the thread, Jaylen may be in the 15-20 range by end season.

[celticfan42487]

I don’t want to put words in his mouth, but I’m thinking he means it more as a compliment to Jaylen than a sleight at Tatum.

Tatum is already a top 10 player, and will likely be top 5. So if Jaylen ends up better than that, I’d be ecstatic, as we would win multiple championships lol. I just think top 15 is more likely, and more than good enough if Danny gets them some help.

I know you've come up from like top 25 but you're gonna have to move your projection up again. JB will crack the ten eventually as some of these other vet stars trickle out of the league or just fade away.

IMO Tatum is on the fringe but not top 10 yet.

Lebron
Giannis
KD
Curry
Harden
Jokic
Leonard
Davis
Embiid
Doncic

Lilliard/Tatum

Fair list. Different than mine. I look at overall game. Harden, for example is a horrible defender. So even though he's an all-timer offensively, I have him fringe Top10. Doncic is a huge stats guy, but efficiency wise and defensively Tatum is the better option. Would you trade Tatum straight up for Doncic? Tough call.

LeBron/KD/Giannis/Leonard/Curry/Davis/Jokic/Tatum/Doncic/Embiid/Harden/Dame

Its gets really hard and confusing after the MVPs are off the board.

That said I think KAT despite the team success deserves some shouts there.

And Tatum is doing very well, but hasn't had the chance yet to ascend. We're hoping he does this year but he really needs to increase his playmaing for his team. Or significantly increase his rebounding.

His shooting and finishing is great, but 7 rpg and 4 aspg won't put him into the top 10 in the league. Those are Paul Pierce in his fourth year too type numbers (admittingly such a different era for offense that you have to give the nod to Pierce's stats being more impressive).

But yeah just for reference in their fourth year (so far for Tatum):

Tatum: 27 ppg 7 rpg 4 aspg on 47%fg 43% from 3
Pierce: 26 ppg 7rpg 3aspg on 44%fg 40% from 3

Tatum needs to get those assist number to like >5.5 and rebound around 10 if he wants to lock himself into the top 10. Which since he's doing this playing out of position at the SF position he very well may. (basically he needs to do a little better stat wise than what he did in the playoffs and do it on better efficiency like he does in the regular season. It really should be happening honestly even if he didn't improve at all from the playoffs as the regular season is a lot easier)

[bisme37]

We straight up need to change our thinking about Jaylen. A month ago we were debating if he could one day be a top 25 player. While we were talking about that we missed that he's currently playing like a top 10 player.

I'm still in the process of adjusting too. I see him scoring a million points and making it look easy. And I'm thinking I don't think he can do that, while he is doing in right before my eyes at that moment. He can do it now, guys. He's effortless and unstoppable and really freakin good.

[Celts17Pride]

We straight up need to change our thinking about Jaylen. A month ago we are debating if he could one day be a top 25 player. While we were talking about that we missed that he's currently playing like a top 10 player.

I'm still in the process of adjusting too. I see him scoring a million points and making it look easy. And I'm thinking I don't think he can do that, while he is doing in right before my eyes at that moment. He can do it now, guys. He's effortless and unstoppable and really freakin good.

Some people need to change their thinking. Some people were already there a long time ago.

[bisme37]

We straight up need to change our thinking about Jaylen. A month ago we are debating if he could one day be a top 25 player. While we were talking about that we missed that he's currently playing like a top 10 player.

I'm still in the process of adjusting too. I see him scoring a million points and making it look easy. And I'm thinking I don't think he can do that, while he is doing in right before my eyes at that moment. He can do it now, guys. He's effortless and unstoppable and really freakin good.

Some people need to change their thinking. Some people were already there a long time ago.

I had higher expectations for him than some of the people here. Thought he could be a top 15ish player while others were saying top 25 or 30. But did not expect him to be this good this year. I don't think any of us can take a victory lap on predicting what we're seeing now. Even if you predicted him to be awesome, he's even better than that.

[Celts17Pride]

12/01/2020 Jaylen Brown is going to take another step forward this season and the Celtics will have two perennial all-stars for many years to come with Jaylen and Jayson. Good times ahead.

Bingo!

[bisme37]

12/01/2020 Jaylen Brown is going to take another step forward this season and the Celtics will have two perennial all-stars for many years to come with Jaylen and Jayson. Good times ahead.

Bingo!

He's playing like an All-NBA player and 6th in the league in scoring. None of us predicted that, even if some of us want to act really smug about it. I thought he'd be an allstar too. He's even better than that, is my point.

[Celts17Pride]

12/01/2020 Jaylen Brown is going to take another step forward this season and the Celtics will have two perennial all-stars for many years to come with Jaylen and Jayson. Good times ahead.

Bingo!

He's playing like an All-NBA player and 6th in the league in scoring. None of us predicted that, even if some of us want to act really smug about it. I thought he'd be an allstar too. He's even better than that, is my point.

Not acting smug about anything. Some of us believed Jaylen Brown would always be the player he has turned out to be while it just took others longer.

The only point I'm making is you lumped everyone together being surprised by his play. There are a number of us that always believed Jaylen Brown would get there.

[bisme37]

Bingo!

He's playing like an All-NBA player and 6th in the league in scoring. None of us predicted that, even if some of us want to act really smug about it. I thought he'd be an allstar too. He's even better than that, is my point.

Not acting smug about anything. Some of us believed Jaylen Brown would always be the player he has turned out to be while it just took others longer.

The only point I'm making is you lumped everyone together being surprised by his play. There are a number of us that always believed Jaylen Brown would get there.

I used "we" instead of "you Jaylen Brown haters" so my post didn't come off as an attack. I do realize lots of us have been very high on him.

[Feed Your Head]

He's playing like an All-NBA player and 6th in the league in scoring. None of us predicted that, even if some of us want to act really smug about it. I thought he'd be an allstar too. He's even better than that, is my point.

Not acting smug about anything. Some of us believed Jaylen Brown would always be the player he has turned out to be while it just took others longer.

The only point I'm making is you lumped everyone together being surprised by his play. There are a number of us that always believed Jaylen Brown would get there.

I used "we" instead of "you Jaylen Brown haters" so my post didn't come off as an attack. I do realize lots of us have been very high on him.

But almost everybody agreed he’d at least be a fringe all star guy, I don’t really think that’s hating. Personally I thought he’d be a top 25-30 guy, now I’m thinking he will be top 15ish, which is an outstanding player.

Unless you mean the couple of posters who are infinitely lower on him than everyone else, other posters like Cave always said he was a good player.

[Scoonie]

His ceiling is Top 10 NBA player. Right now, he's already playing like a Top 20 or Top 15 guy.

[bisme37]

Not acting smug about anything. Some of us believed Jaylen Brown would always be the player he has turned out to be while it just took others longer.

The only point I'm making is you lumped everyone together being surprised by his play. There are a number of us that always believed Jaylen Brown would get there.

I used "we" instead of "you Jaylen Brown haters" so my post didn't come off as an attack. I do realize lots of us have been very high on him.

But almost everybody agreed he’d at least be a fringe all star guy, I don’t really think that’s hating. Personally I thought he’d be a top 25-30 guy, now I’m thinking he will be top 15ish, which is an outstanding player.

Unless you mean the couple of posters who are infinitely lower on him than everyone else, other posters like Cave always said he was a good player.

I tried to make my comment in order to get as little blowback as possible and failed spectacularly lol. Jaylen is awesome and all you guys are awesome too. I don't really get fighting about something we should be happy about.

I thought he'd be a top 15ish player too. But he's currently the 6th leading scorer and while his defense is not perfect, it's better than most of the other top scorers in the league. So I think that means he's already a top 10 player, right now at least, and as far as actual performance and not just what we think he is on paper. Gotta play like this for a length of time before people accept it, but he's currently doing it.

[keevsnick1]

Not acting smug about anything. Some of us believed Jaylen Brown would always be the player he has turned out to be while it just took others longer.

The only point I'm making is you lumped everyone together being surprised by his play. There are a number of us that always believed Jaylen Brown would get there.

I used "we" instead of "you Jaylen Brown haters" so my post didn't come off as an attack. I do realize lots of us have been very high on him.

But almost everybody agreed he’d at least be a fringe all star guy, I don’t really think that’s hating. Personally I thought he’d be a top 25-30 guy, now I’m thinking he will be top 15ish, which is an outstanding player.

Unless you mean the couple of posters who are infinitely lower on him than everyone else, other posters like Cave always said he was a good player.

I'm not saying any of this applies to you but i will say this:

I think part of the frustration I've had in Jaylen Brown arguments is that people would argue he had the "ceiling" of a fringe all star, rather than a "baseline" of a fringe all star guy. That in and of itself is not disrespectful, but he was also already that last year and so to essentially say he was already at his ceiling as a 23 year old does seem unreasonably low. He wasn't likely to have peaked at 23, because most guys get at least a little better after that age.

I just kind of wish people had been more willing to consider that a guy who works hard, had already gotten a lot better, is 6'6 and a freak athlete could maybe you know be elite if everything breaks right rather.

But hey, I'm not sure I even foresaw 27ppg this year in all honesty so...

[Feed Your Head]

I used "we" instead of "you Jaylen Brown haters" so my post didn't come off as an attack. I do realize lots of us have been very high on him.

But almost everybody agreed he’d at least be a fringe all star guy, I don’t really think that’s hating. Personally I thought he’d be a top 25-30 guy, now I’m thinking he will be top 15ish, which is an outstanding player.

Unless you mean the couple of posters who are infinitely lower on him than everyone else, other posters like Cave always said he was a good player.

I'm not saying any of this applies to you but i will say this:

I think part of the frustration I've had in Jaylen Brown arguments is that people would argue he had the "ceiling" of a fringe all star, rather than a "baseline" of a fringe all star guy. That in and of itself is not disrespectful, but he was also already that last year and so to essentially say he was already at his ceiling as a 23 year old does seem unreasonably low. He wasn't likely to have peaked at 23, because most guys get at least a little better after that age.

I feel ya. I always tried basing it off of what I most likely thought he would be, because ceiling is such a tricky thing.

[bisme37]

But almost everybody agreed he’d at least be a fringe all star guy, I don’t really think that’s hating. Personally I thought he’d be a top 25-30 guy, now I’m thinking he will be top 15ish, which is an outstanding player.

Unless you mean the couple of posters who are infinitely lower on him than everyone else, other posters like Cave always said he was a good player.

I'm not saying any of this applies to you but i will say this:

I think part of the frustration I've had in Jaylen Brown arguments is that people would argue he had the "ceiling" of a fringe all star, rather than a "baseline" of a fringe all star guy. That in and of itself is not disrespectful, but he was also already that last year and so to essentially say he was already at his ceiling as a 23 year old does seem unreasonably low. He wasn't likely to have peaked at 23, because most guys get at least a little better after that age.

I feel ya. I always tried basing it off of what I most likely thought he would be, because ceiling is such a tricky thing.

The whole ranking thing has always been tricky to me too. Like, players are so different I don't know how you decide one is better than the other in a lot of cases. And then I know I sometimes think "Wow this guy is so good he has to be a top-10 (or whatever) player." But then I actually start counting them down and I'm like "Doh! There are a lot of really good players in the league."

[keevsnick1]

But almost everybody agreed he’d at least be a fringe all star guy, I don’t really think that’s hating. Personally I thought he’d be a top 25-30 guy, now I’m thinking he will be top 15ish, which is an outstanding player.

Unless you mean the couple of posters who are infinitely lower on him than everyone else, other posters like Cave always said he was a good player.

I'm not saying any of this applies to you but i will say this:

I think part of the frustration I've had in Jaylen Brown arguments is that people would argue he had the "ceiling" of a fringe all star, rather than a "baseline" of a fringe all star guy. That in and of itself is not disrespectful, but he was also already that last year and so to essentially say he was already at his ceiling as a 23 year old does seem unreasonably low. He wasn't likely to have peaked at 23, because most guys get at least a little better after that age.

I feel ya. I always tried basing it off of what I most likely thought he would be, because ceiling is such a tricky thing.

Ya that's fair. I mean if he keeps up anything close to what he's at this year he'll arguably be at the top of the MIP ballot and that's after getting consideration last year. I don't know that there's anyway to predict THAT kind of two year double leap.