Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[Ernest]

Wait a minute... Houston just traded Harden and DIDN'T get back a Jaylen Brown or better player? I guess a few of you were just spouting nonsense on here. Over and over and over and over again. But you guys were so sure about it. Who "Doesn't know how basketball works" now?

Ernest....they just landed draft assets for the majority of the decade. They will outright own BK's picks or rights to swap long after Durant/Harden/Kyrie are any good. Don't you remember how Boston did this with BK in 13? That lead to Tatum & Brown. Lead to pretty much everything the Celtics have had since 13, but only featuring Tatum/Brown because those are the two franchise cornerstones that have the Celtics in contention for many years

Sure. But when it was suggested maybe we could trade for Harden offering Kemba and a bunch of picks and young assets it was dismissed as laughable. Nope, we'd need to include Brown because they are getting a young star and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. I mean I'm adding a bit to it here, but basically. My point is, Ainge could have beat their offer if he really wanted to. (and I'm glad he didn't) but you had a few people on here posting that we need to trade brown to make a deal. Posting it at least 50 times. And with such authority.

[ddb]

Not getting my hopes up. Rockets are gonna ask for a 1st for Tucker. Ainge will offer Edwards and a heavily-protected 2nd.

I also doubt we're willing to pay Tucker his next contract, even if it's just MLE-level money. Our reasoning would be we already have Grant.

Tucker is also old and not very good lol.

[ddb]

Wait a minute... Houston just traded Harden and DIDN'T get back a Jaylen Brown or better player? I guess a few of you were just spouting nonsense on here. Over and over and over and over again. But you guys were so sure about it. Who "Doesn't know how basketball works" now?

Ernest....they just landed draft assets for the majority of the decade. They will outright own BK's picks or rights to swap long after Durant/Harden/Kyrie are any good. Don't you remember how Boston did this with BK in 13? That lead to Tatum & Brown. Lead to pretty much everything the Celtics have had since 13, but only featuring Tatum/Brown because those are the two franchise cornerstones that have the Celtics in contention for many years

Sure. But when it was suggested maybe we could trade for Harden offering Kemba and a bunch of picks and young assets it was dismissed as laughable. Nope, we'd need to include Brown because they are getting a young star and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. I mean I'm adding a bit to it here, but basically. My point is, Ainge could have beat their offer if he really wanted to. (and I'm glad he didn't) but you had a few people on here posting that we need to trade brown to make a deal. Posting it at least 50 times. And with such authority.

I'd be willing to bet that Houston didn't value the Celtics picks nearly as much as BK's because BK has a much shorter window to contend. So the picks/swaps they landed at the tail end have a chance to be lottery picks. In the case of the Celtics, their 2 best players are young and under contract. Boston's picks are most likely late 1sts for years to come.

[ddb]

The Kyrie thing is interesting. Still no quote from him.

Also still no real press from Brooklyn. You think they would be hyping “big three” talk on social media. But nothing yet. Just welcome harden posts.

They probably just don’t know what he’s thinking. If I were Brooklyn, I would let him play a couple good games and trade him shortly after.

If I said it once, I said it a million times. Kyrie Irving is a FRAUD. Not because he left Boston. He just is. Also, zero shot BK trades him. If they did, though, I would laugh my a$$ off for an hour straight.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Wait, didn't Houston just ship a HOF and current top 5 talent for Dipo and a bunch of first round picks that may as well be second round picks? So much for young star player in return.

Anything can happen never say never. Nobody saw that kind of trade coming.

They sent unprotected firsts out 7 years into the future for a team who’s best players are 31 and 32 years old.

Were not going to offer Kemba and 7 firsts for Beal. Nor are 7 firsts from a team who’s best players are 22 and 24 nearly as valuable as what the Nets traded.

Absolutely no way of knowing this.

I mean, basic math is a good indicator. In 7 years, Tatum and Brown will be younger than Harden is today. Feels safe to me to assume the Celtics picks are less valuable at that time than the Nets would be.

[SmartWentCrazy]

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Oh, so I guess those spouting off here that it would take at least Jaylen Brown from us werent talking out of our behinds....

but please, lets keep thinking Kemba and some picks coulda been competitive and those insisting elsewise dont know how basketball works

[Ernest]

Ernest....they just landed draft assets for the majority of the decade. They will outright own BK's picks or rights to swap long after Durant/Harden/Kyrie are any good. Don't you remember how Boston did this with BK in 13? That lead to Tatum & Brown. Lead to pretty much everything the Celtics have had since 13, but only featuring Tatum/Brown because those are the two franchise cornerstones that have the Celtics in contention for many years

Sure. But when it was suggested maybe we could trade for Harden offering Kemba and a bunch of picks and young assets it was dismissed as laughable. Nope, we'd need to include Brown because they are getting a young star and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. I mean I'm adding a bit to it here, but basically. My point is, Ainge could have beat their offer if he really wanted to. (and I'm glad he didn't) but you had a few people on here posting that we need to trade brown to make a deal. Posting it at least 50 times. And with such authority.

I'd be willing to bet that Houston didn't value the Celtics picks nearly as much as BK's because BK has a much shorter window to contend. So the picks/swaps they landed at the tail end have a chance to be lottery picks. In the case of the Celtics, their 2 best players are young and under contract. Boston's picks are most likely late 1sts for years to come.

Sure put we also have PP, Romeo and Nesmith. Maybe your right, really who cares as I don't think wither of us (and hopefully anyone here) would want the Celtics in some crazy bidding war for future assets.

The sad truth of the league is location matters so much for teams in NY LA and probably Miami too. Brooklyn can do a deal like this and survive because players want to go there. If it all falls apart in 2 years they just make moves to shed all their salary and wait for a pair of stars to want to team up there. We don't have that option. 25 teams in the league don't have that option. For as much as we fleaced them in the PP KG trade and how bad it worked out for them- here we are. It's probably a good trade for both teams.

[Dannyboy36]

We are not getting Beal. The days of getting a star for junk/reasonable offer seem to be over. It’s a sellers market.

I love how on the GB some are saying Houston got fleeced. Yeah....sure. Dudes a MVP. But he’s older, he got fatter and stopped caring on purpose. Basically quit and said yeah this team sucks and they still got 8 picks and a trade piece in Dipo for him lol.

Yeah the honeymoon will end at some point for the Nets and you've got the fat version of the Beard, flat-earth/no mask Kyrie and cupcake Durant.

I just don't see how it doesn't implode at some stage.

They are getting a fat version but he’ll probably lose that pretty quick. It’s probably very easy for him. But even if they win a title or two it will likely end with people blaming each other. Brooklyn probably accepts that as a given with the 3 stooges.

[Ernest]

Well I'm glad Ainge was smart enough not to trade Brown and Smart.

[keevsnick1]

So some thoughts on this trade.

1) The picks are better than some people are saying. Durant, Harden, Irving are all only under contract this year and next then they all have options. In today's NBA what are the chances all three of those guys are there longer than the next three years? I'd say very little. They could implode due to the personalities or maybe after three years they look around and realize the Nets have no way to improve the team and move on. The 24' pick, 25' swap, 26' pick and 27' swap have some pretty high upside.

2) How much better are you with three iso heavy offense stars vs two + lavert/allen? I think there are for sure diminishing returns once you have more than two top play-makers. They are still better offensively no doubt, but not as much as you'd think if you were just adding Harden into a vacuum. The Warriors worked because Curry was a better defender than Irving, Klay was WAY better than Harden, Durant then was probably better than post Achilles Durant, and Draymond is an entirely different galaxy defensive wise than Jordan. So the offense will be amazing, but the defense is a problem. This team may be the favorite, but even putting aside potential personality issues they aren't the juggernaut the GSW's were because the defense may just suck.

3) This is less bad for the Celtics than for the Bucks, Heat and any other team that's all in right now. Your best guys are 22 and 24. You have a longer window. I know not everyone believes that, but it appears Ainge does. But honestly like I said I don't think this team is unbeatable even in the next 2-3 years.

4) The Celtics best path is now Tatum and Brown turning into at least a top 10 and top 20 player. Kemba coming back healthy. Getting a starting level wing with with the TPE. Young guys improving giving you good depth. If those things happen they can compete as soon as this year. I believe that. You won't be the favorites, but you could be very good.

5)Trading Brown for Beal doesn't improve your ceiling all that much. Neither does Brown for KAT. Or Brown for Simmons. Or all the other Brown deals people throw out there. You need to ADD TO the core, not swap out prices to significantly improve your ceiling. If you want to dream then dream of Kemba+Young Guys+All The Picks for Beal because Beal makes it to the off season and then demands Boston. As we've seen if you're willing to give up ALL THE PICKS you can get stars provided the star first depresses the market by restricting where he'll resign.

[Ernest]

Still no fire Ainge threads? The Nancies must be sleeping.

[CeltsfaninDC]

Wait a minute... Houston just traded Harden and DIDN'T get back a Jaylen Brown or better player? I guess a few of you were just spouting nonsense on here. Over and over and over and over again. But you guys were so sure about it. Who "Doesn't know how basketball works" now?

Ernest....they just landed draft assets for the majority of the decade. They will outright own BK's picks or rights to swap long after Durant/Harden/Kyrie are any good. Don't you remember how Boston did this with BK in 13? That lead to Tatum & Brown. Lead to pretty much everything the Celtics have had since 13, but only featuring Tatum/Brown because those are the two franchise cornerstones that have the Celtics in contention for many years

Sure. But when it was suggested maybe we could trade for Harden offering Kemba and a bunch of picks and young assets it was dismissed as laughable. Nope, we'd need to include Brown because they are getting a young star and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. I mean I'm adding a bit to it here, but basically. My point is, Ainge could have beat their offer if he really wanted to. (and I'm glad he didn't) but you had a few people on here posting that we need to trade brown to make a deal. Posting it at least 50 times. And with such authority.

Yeah, thats because it was the asking price from HOU.

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[cl2117]

We are not getting Beal. The days of getting a star for junk/reasonable offer seem to be over. It’s a sellers market.

I love how on the GB some are saying Houston got fleeced. Yeah....sure. Dudes a MVP. But he’s older, he got fatter and stopped caring on purpose. Basically quit and said yeah this team sucks and they still got 8 picks and a trade piece in Dipo for him lol.

Yeah the honeymoon will end at some point for the Nets and you've got the fat version of the Beard, flat-earth/no mask Kyrie and cupcake Durant.

I just don't see how it doesn't implode at some stage.

They are getting a fat version but he’ll probably lose that pretty quick. It’s probably very easy for him. But even if they win a title or two it will likely end with people blaming each other. Brooklyn probably accepts that as a given with the 3 stooges.

Oh yeah I 100% expect him to immediately get into top shape. I just feel like that's never a good sign if you've got a guy who yoyo's because a) it shows a bit of a lack fo motivation and b) it's harder to do that as you get older.

Brooklyn have gone all in for 2 years with the hope it lasts 5 and are willing to accept another 4-5 years of purgatory at some stage. They'll actually be fine because eventually a new crop of stars will want to play in NYC, but there is no way they don't have a really ugly period at some stage. Whether it's from these guys bailing or from them falling off towards teh back end of new max extensions or whatever, it's coming. If they get a ring or two out of it, they probably call it worthwhile. I've got my popcorn ready though.

[Celtics_Champs]

So we’ve heard Dipo, Beal, Tucker

any other surprise names out there that some may be interested in?

[zoyathedestroya]

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[ddb]

We are not getting Beal. The days of getting a star for junk/reasonable offer seem to be over. It’s a sellers market.

I love how on the GB some are saying Houston got fleeced. Yeah....sure. Dudes a MVP. But he’s older, he got fatter and stopped caring on purpose. Basically quit and said yeah this team sucks and they still got 8 picks and a trade piece in Dipo for him lol.

Yeah the honeymoon will end at some point for the Nets and you've got the fat version of the Beard, flat-earth/no mask Kyrie and cupcake Durant.

I just don't see how it doesn't implode at some stage.

They are getting a fat version but he’ll probably lose that pretty quick. It’s probably very easy for him. But even if they win a title or two it will likely end with people blaming each other. Brooklyn probably accepts that as a given with the 3 stooges.

alright so I HATE the Lakers. I HATE LeBron. But I'll say it right now....Lakers would beat the Nets in a 7-game series. No question. All the Nets are going to do is stand around and rotate playing ISO ball. Pair that with no defense and I just can't imagine Nets winning a title unless they add tough character guys like Tucker, etc which is entirely possible. they could absolutely add that and then I'd change the way I currently think.

[bisme37]

I'll be worried about the Nets if they trade Irving for a few guys who can play defense. I seem to be in the minority but until then I don't think things changed much yesterday. The Nets problem was not a lack of iso scoring or a lack of enormous clashing egos.

[hugepatsfan]

Wait a minute... Houston just traded Harden and DIDN'T get back a Jaylen Brown or better player? I guess a few of you were just spouting nonsense on here. Over and over and over and over again. But you guys were so sure about it. Who "Doesn't know how basketball works" now?

Ernest....they just landed draft assets for the majority of the decade. They will outright own BK's picks or rights to swap long after Durant/Harden/Kyrie are any good. Don't you remember how Boston did this with BK in 13? That lead to Tatum & Brown. Lead to pretty much everything the Celtics have had since 13, but only featuring Tatum/Brown because those are the two franchise cornerstones that have the Celtics in contention for many years

Sure. But when it was suggested maybe we could trade for Harden offering Kemba and a bunch of picks and young assets it was dismissed as laughable. Nope, we'd need to include Brown because they are getting a young star and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. I mean I'm adding a bit to it here, but basically. My point is, Ainge could have beat their offer if he really wanted to. (and I'm glad he didn't) but you had a few people on here posting that we need to trade brown to make a deal. Posting it at least 50 times. And with such authority.

Our draft picks are different value. MIL got Jrue for all the picks because Giannis was a threat to leave at that point. BRK has older stars and guys who have blown up teams before so there's upside on the back end of that pick haul.

We have two young stars signed long term. It's always been a consistently competitive organization. No one looks at our picks and feels there's huge upside with them even down the line. Just with our circumstances, a "godfather offer" package of picks doesn't hold the same weight because we seem at such low risk of a catastrophic breakdown to where those picks are super high.

[Wes-J]

They sent unprotected firsts out 7 years into the future for a team who’s best players are 31 and 32 years old.

Were not going to offer Kemba and 7 firsts for Beal. Nor are 7 firsts from a team who’s best players are 22 and 24 nearly as valuable as what the Nets traded.

Absolutely no way of knowing this.

I mean, basic math is a good indicator. In 7 years, Tatum and Brown will be younger than Harden is today. Feels safe to me to assume the Celtics picks are less valuable at that time than the Nets would be.

Unless that is, like you mentioned in your doomsday scenario , Tatum decides to opt out for greener pastures.

[GoCeltics123]

Yeah the honeymoon will end at some point for the Nets and you've got the fat version of the Beard, flat-earth/no mask Kyrie and cupcake Durant.

I just don't see how it doesn't implode at some stage.

They are getting a fat version but he’ll probably lose that pretty quick. It’s probably very easy for him. But even if they win a title or two it will likely end with people blaming each other. Brooklyn probably accepts that as a given with the 3 stooges.

alright so I HATE the Lakers. I HATE LeBron. But I'll say it right now....Lakers would beat the Nets in a 7-game series. No question. All the Nets are going to do is stand around and rotate playing ISO ball. Pair that with no defense and I just can't imagine Nets winning a title unless they add tough character guys like Tucker, etc which is entirely possible. they could absolutely add that and then I'd change the way I currently think.

Problem is for them that they could've just gotten Tucker in this deal and they didn't