Trade/Free Agency Thread, part Ocho, 2023-24

BK_2020 · Post #841 » by **BK_2020** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 12:27 am

Not having an All-Star as your 8th/9th guy is entirely normal and inevitable.
As for what'll happen if we are hit with a lot of injuries, we will probably not win the championship. That's just how it works in the NBA. You can't have a triple redundancy of proven vets at every position. You can barely run out a good 8 man rotation.

return2glory · Post #842 » by **return2glory** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 12:33 am

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
Bar Fight wrote:

Read on Twitter

Loser mentality.

Actually the opposite. He is making $50 million a year and calling the shots.

playa-hater · Post #843 » by **playa-hater** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 12:35 am

Fierce1 wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:I find it hard to believe Brad is done. He’s been close to flawless since starting as GM in my book so gotta imagine he sees the same holes we do. Then again, maybe they figure they’ll try this roster and some of the deep bench guys out for the first few months and tweak at deadline. Not exactly typical though for a win-now team.

There's only minor holes.

KP, Al, and Rob

JT, JB, and Hauser

White, Brogs, and PP

That's already a 9-man rotation.

that really is a good roster, But you do not win the championship with very good. If we had no other assets then that's who we have to roll with.. But we have a ton of assets in draft compensation I would hope they would try to improve somehow.

I don't want another close but no cigar season..

Post #844 » by **165bows** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 12:41 am

BK_2020 wrote:Not having an All-Star as your 8th/9th guy is entirely normal and inevitable.
As for what'll happen if we are hit with a lot of injuries, we will probably not win the championship. That's just how it works in the NBA. You can't have a triple redundancy of proven vets at every position. You can barely run out a good 8 man rotation.

Yeah I tend to agree with this, caveat Boston has a higher injury issue risk (but again like above every teams got it as well).

Watching Lillard go to Miami would stink but talking depth issues they just lost three core guys out of their backcourt last year, two of them they wouldn’t have gone anywhere in the playoffs without. In other words they just lost their 3rd, 6th and 8th guys in minutes played and their main replacement is a guy Boston was better without two years ago.

gdagod10 · Post #845 » by **gdagod10** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 12:49 am

Most seasons come down to shooting variance and injury luck. Granted we're very fragile but most teams are relying on guys that have had multiple injuries. It will always be IF we are healthy.

return2glory · Post #846 » by **return2glory** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 12:50 am

Celtics_Champs wrote:
return2glory wrote:The thing to remember is Portland isn't going to trade Dame to any team he wants. They are going to trade him for the best assets they can get back. Portland and Dame will have to meet in the middle. I don't believe Miami is the only team he will play for.

It might just feel like a long time, but this has lasted too long. We have seen the same report for over a week now. Every hour there’s a new tweet about this standoff between him and Portland. They have to get on the same page already.

Portland doesn't have to get on the same page right, not now anyway. There is no rush. Portland can refuse to trade him to a team of his liking. He signed a contract with Portland, then he should honor that contract. But he won't.

Winning is secondary for players and owners of teams. Making a lot of money is the primary goal for both. And the owners and players are making more money than ever. They are happy either way because they are getting paid a ton.

Jerry Jones of the Cowboys is one of the best in the business at creating an illusion that winning is a priority. In reality, all he is doing year after year is putting a decent team on the field to keep fans coming back for more. Each offseason, he signs a new shiny toy to appease the fans and at the same time allows the fans to forget that they just witnessed another disappointing season. Wyc is getting really good at this too.

The Corey's · Post #847 » by **The Corey's** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 12:56 am

captain green wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
captain green wrote: ya hard to take someone seriously when they say something that's useful is absolutely useless lol

what are you on about. the only thing thats hard to take serious is the idea we got White for 2 second round picks. It never happened.

I stand firm that 2nd round picks are useful that what I'm on about.

Stats don't show it but sure.

The Corey's · Post #848 » by **The Corey's** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 12:57 am

Memokerobi wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:The irony of them being completely useless while Houston is using the same 2nd rounders to help build their roster.

What roster? Like I said yesterday, how much value do second rounders have when it cost you 4 of them for a bum like jae crowder.

They're absolutely useless.

Just in the last trade deadline:

3 of them got the Lakers Hachimura, who was a big part of their playoff run.

5 sent Bey to the Hawks

4 for Josh Richardson,

3 for Luke Kennard.

They are useful currency in today's league. Its a good way of acquiring mid talent without giving up first round picks. Its definitely good to have going into a trade deadline. Not useless at all

So the currency is only in who you can trade the picks for? Not in actually using them?

2 second rounders got us Fournier who was a absolute slob.

gdagod10 · Post #849 » by **gdagod10** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:05 am

The next domino to fall is James Harden. Looks like Clippers were ready to send Paul George to the Knicks until the Knicks backed out. If Clippers miss on Harden I gotta wonder if they revisit Brogdon. Brogdon is off the team next year anyway so I'd rather have a cost controlled PG like Tyus Jones moving forward, while also increasing our flexibility for the deadline next season. Tough to imagine we draft all of these 2nd round picks and use our firsts while Tatum and Brown are in their prime.

Ah, looks like Tyus Jones is expiring as well. I guess if you could re-sign him for a MLE money then you do it.

Our cap gets very interesting next season as White becomes extension eligible and Brown will be on a supermax.

The more I look at this the more I can't imagine Brown being on this team after next year.

chrisab123 · Post #850 » by **chrisab123** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:05 am

Dame is going to get booed very loud when the Heat visit the Garden. Everytime Haynes speaks its like more and more **** all over the Celtics. It really does enforce that Boston is not as desirable of a destination as what it should be. Just such a joke.

Tyakack · Post #851 » by **Tyakack** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:07 am

Depth is overrated. It matters more for the regular season. We just need a strong top 8 for the playoffs.

The Corey's · Post #852 » by **The Corey's** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:09 am

Tyakack wrote:Depth is overrated. It matters more for the regular season. We just need a strong top 8 for the playoffs.

If Pritchard or Hauser are getting minutes in the playoffs we're in trouble.

BK_2020 · Post #853 » by **BK_2020** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:12 am

gdagod10 wrote:The next domino to fall is James Harden. Looks like Clippers were ready to send Paul George to the Knicks until the Knicks backed out. If Clippers miss on Harden I gotta wonder if they revisit Brogdon. Brogdon is off the team next year anyway so I'd rather have a cost controlled PG like Tyus Jones moving forward, while also increasing our flexibility for the deadline next season. Tough to imagine we draft all of these 2nd round picks and use our firsts while Tatum and Brown are in their prime.

Tyus Jones is in the last year of his 2 year contract.

ajones9219 · Post #854 » by **ajones9219** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:13 am

chrisab123 wrote:Dame is going to get booed very loud when the Heat visit the Garden. Everytime Haynes speaks its like more and more **** all over the Celtics. It really does enforce that Boston is not as desirable of a destination as what it should be. Just such a joke.

I don't take it as a slight on Boston. Dame just wants the Heat and they know Boston has the best chance of stopping that. Even Vegas has us with the second best odds to land him.

ajones9219 · Post #855 » by **ajones9219** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:15 am

The Corey's wrote:
captain green wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
what are you on about. the only thing thats hard to take serious is the idea we got White for 2 second round picks. It never happened.

I stand firm that 2nd round picks are useful that what I'm on about.

Stats don't show it but sure.

Read on Twitter

Suns traded 2 FRP swaps and a player for 3 seconds. Seconds are objectively valuable trade assets these days

Tyakack · Post #856 » by **Tyakack** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:18 am

ajones9219 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:Dame is going to get booed very loud when the Heat visit the Garden. Everytime Haynes speaks its like more and more **** all over the Celtics. It really does enforce that Boston is not as desirable of a destination as what it should be. Just such a joke.

I don't take it as a slight on Boston. Dame just wants the Heat and they know Boston has the best chance of stopping that. Even Vegas has us with the second best odds to land him.

Yeah, it would mean more if he had a bunch of teams on his list and still had this stance against Boston. He has literally one and is telling every other team in the league to kick rocks. He is just trying his hardest to go to his preferred destination. That is all this is.

hugepatsfan · Post #857 » by **hugepatsfan** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:18 am

I suspect MEM is making a run at one of those TOR forwards. Being able to swap those picks with the lower of PHX (old team) or WAS (bad organization) ups their value a bit if they're doing some sort of big pick package for a win now piece.

ajones9219 · Post #858 » by **ajones9219** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:18 am

Tyakack wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:Dame is going to get booed very loud when the Heat visit the Garden. Everytime Haynes speaks its like more and more **** all over the Celtics. It really does enforce that Boston is not as desirable of a destination as what it should be. Just such a joke.

I don't take it as a slight on Boston. Dame just wants the Heat and they know Boston has the best chance of stopping that. Even Vegas has us with the second best odds to land him.

Yeah, it would mean more if he had a bunch of teams on his list and still had this stance against Boston. He has literally one and is telling every other team in the league to kick rocks. He is just trying his hardest to go to his preferred destination. That is all this is.

Having said that, I still think Portland tell Dame to kick rocks himself and ships him elsewhere :lol:

Celts17Pride · Post #859 » by **Celts17Pride** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:20 am

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
about 7 minutes ago

PICKS TRADE: The Memphis Grizzlies are trading three second-round picks to the Phoenix Suns for two first-round pick swaps (2024 and 2030) and Isaiah Todd, sources tell ESPN. The seconds are 2025 via Pels, and Memphis’ 2028 and 2029 picks.

Post #860 » by **Darthlukey** » Fri Jul 7, 2023 1:20 am

ajones9219 wrote:
The Corey's wrote:
captain green wrote:I stand firm that 2nd round picks are useful that what I'm on about.

Stats don't show it but sure.

Read on Twitter

Suns traded 2 FRP swaps and a player for 3 seconds. Seconds are objectively valuable trade assets these days

I dont understand the value the Grizzlies got. The 2024 is likely nul and void. Granted, the suns could be awful by 2030 though