Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[aim2please]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

[GoCeltics123]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

[darrendaye]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

Exactly, you'd need a very motivated seller.

[steefP2]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

This is old cap brain talking; even the 30% normal max; which is standard for all stars and that caliber of players would pay him 255 over 5 years or 51 mil annually. Moreover that last year his contract would only take up 28% of the cap.

[GoCeltics123]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

Exactly, you'd need a very motivated seller.

It's why personally I'm so frustrated with this process--like what is taking so long? We're pretty much left here to speculate.

You either trade him for Dame or a star, or extend him. If you trade him for trash like De'Andre Hunter and a pick or two, that's a garbage return

[steefP2]

My final position is this; Jaylen is not “worth” the supermax but the teambuilding concerns long term are overstated and it should be a positive value contract in 2 years barring injury when Tatum’s extension hits.

You trade him now for dame if you feel confident in that or you extend him and trade him in 2 years if you don’t win the chip in the meantime (or next year if things seriously go wrong).

[aim2please]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

If you think Brown is a legit star than trading him is a big loss. I think it's addition by subtraction. A lot of players could average 25 points on this Celtics team if they got 20 shots every night playing next to Tatum.

Jaylen on a 5 year $300M contract will have less value next summer than on an expiring today. Brown's new deal will start just over $50M. With the new matching rules Celtics will have to take back at least $45M in salary next summer. What do people think will be coming back next summer? Someone on a great deal, blue chips rookie scale guys?

Hell no. He will be seen as a Beal, Poole, Herro. Guys that get you 20 a night but are overpaid. Market has been set. Guys that will be on the table for him will be Towns, LaVine, maybe Trae Young. Trash in, trash out.

[BK_2020]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

A player with 1 year left on a bargain deal has more value than the same player being overpaid for 5 years. In 2020 Westbrook brought back dead salary in John Wall and 1st. If Westbrook at that time was on a $20 mil. a year salary and had 1 year left, 100% he brings back more in a trade market. If Westbrook had 5 more years left in 2020, chances are no one would've traded for him. Tobias Harris still hasn't been traded and makes $40 mil a year scoring 13 points a game. That is a far worse outcome than letting such a player walk.
There's no such thing as losing someone for nothing. You get back, at a minimum, opportunity cost in roster spot and cap flexibility. Very likely you get TPE or the ability to use mid-levels. Whether that's worth letting a FA walk or not is at least debatable. We let Hayward, Horford, Mook and Rozier walk rather than pay them. In every single one of those cases letting them walk was better than signing them to an overpaid deal.

[watsonthedragon]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

Not necessarily saying I think this happens but what if JB proves he’s not worth that contract this year? It could become even harder to trade him then. We might look back thinking it would have been better in the long run to move him now. Again, just playing devils advocate.

[ddb]

Until Dame is traded and/or JB signs his extension, we cannot rule out a Dame to Boston 3-teamer. The green uniform looks awesome on Lillard. That MFer needs to snap out of it and add Boston as a preferred destination.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

On the Sports Hub with Murray, Gasper and B Robb,
they are discussing the possibility that the hold up in the Brown
signing is that of Jaylen willing to take less in return for them bringing in
one of his Bros. B Robb said possibly a Big, and the others noted
that Brown is following WCJ on Instagram...

[GoCeltics123]

On the Sports Hub with Murray, Gasper and B Robb,
they are discussing the possibility that the hold up in the Brown
signing is that of Jaylen willing to take less in return for them bringing in
one of his Bros. B Robb said possibly a Big, and the others noted
that Brown is following WCJ on Instagram...

Doubt Jaylen would do that and by all accounts they're offering the max

Did B Robb say any sourced stuff or no

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

On the Sports Hub with Murray, Gasper and B Robb,
they are discussing the possibility that the hold up in the Brown
signing is that of Jaylen willing to take less in return for them bringing in
one of his Bros. B Robb said possibly a Big, and the others noted
that Brown is following WCJ on Instagram...

Doubt Jaylen would do that and by all accounts they're offering the max

Did B Robb say any sourced stuff or no

I don't know, they went on to discuss sex scenes in the new Oppenheimer movie...

[GoCeltics123]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

Not necessarily saying I think this happens but what if JB proves he’s not worth that contract this year? It could become even harder to trade him then. We might look back thinking it would have been better in the long run to move him now. Again, just playing devils advocate.

You're not getting great value regardless, the time to trade Jaylen was last summer for KD if you were selling high. If he has a bad season, teams I think would still offer more because on a long-term deal, he has more value then a guy who can walk for nothing

[BK_2020]

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

Not necessarily saying I think this happens but what if JB proves he’s not worth that contract this year? It could become even harder to trade him then. We might look back thinking it would have been better in the long run to move him now. Again, just playing devils advocate.

You're not getting great value regardless, the time to trade Jaylen was last summer for KD if you were selling high. If he has a bad season, teams I think would still offer more because on a long-term deal, he has more value then a guy who can walk for nothing

The Nets turned down Jaylen for KD so I think we need to readjust our perception of Jaylen's value.

[darrendaye]

I hope this weird delay means they're trying to find a Brown trade that makes sense.

His impact on winning is nowhere near his reputation. If he's unwilling to take less just ship him out. Can't lose him for nothing. He's a borderline TOP 25 player in the league. He should get no more than $35-40M a year. Pay him $59M a year and it's gonna be impossible to build a winner around Tatum moving forward.

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

A player with 1 year left on a bargain deal has more value than the same player being overpaid for 5 years. In 2020 Westbrook brought back dead salary in John Wall and 1st. If Westbrook at that time was on a $20 mil. a year salary and had 1 year left, 100% he brings back more in a trade market. If Westbrook had 5 more years left in 2020, chances are no one would've traded for him. Tobias Harris still hasn't been traded and makes $40 mil a year scoring 13 points a game. That is a far worse outcome than letting such a player walk.
There's no such thing as losing someone for nothing. You get back, at a minimum, opportunity cost in roster spot and cap flexibility. Very likely you get TPE or the ability to use mid-levels. Whether that's worth letting a FA walk or not is at least debatable. We let Hayward, Horford, Mook and Rozier walk rather than pay them. In every single one of those cases letting them walk was better than signing them to an overpaid deal.

You're using a sample of one to prove a thesis.

[GoCeltics123]

Not necessarily saying I think this happens but what if JB proves he’s not worth that contract this year? It could become even harder to trade him then. We might look back thinking it would have been better in the long run to move him now. Again, just playing devils advocate.

You're not getting great value regardless, the time to trade Jaylen was last summer for KD if you were selling high. If he has a bad season, teams I think would still offer more because on a long-term deal, he has more value then a guy who can walk for nothing

The Nets turned down Jaylen for KD so I think we need to readjust our perception of Jaylen's value.

They were never trading Jaylen for KD straight-up, especially with 4 years left (and Tsai's crazy asking price). But they've openly said the best offer they got was Jaylen/White/1st, before the Suns offered the house.

No matter what we think of Jaylen, his value is definitely not low around the league, no matter the GM you talk to. I would assume the analytics-based GMs value him lower than the less analytics-based ones for sure, but teams would offer legit stuff for him.

But one year left Jaylen? When he's surely going to hit UFA? That seems not smart to give up much for any team

[BK_2020]

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

A player with 1 year left on a bargain deal has more value than the same player being overpaid for 5 years. In 2020 Westbrook brought back dead salary in John Wall and 1st. If Westbrook at that time was on a $20 mil. a year salary and had 1 year left, 100% he brings back more in a trade market. If Westbrook had 5 more years left in 2020, chances are no one would've traded for him. Tobias Harris still hasn't been traded and makes $40 mil a year scoring 13 points a game. That is a far worse outcome than letting such a player walk.
There's no such thing as losing someone for nothing. You get back, at a minimum, opportunity cost in roster spot and cap flexibility. Very likely you get TPE or the ability to use mid-levels. Whether that's worth letting a FA walk or not is at least debatable. We let Hayward, Horford, Mook and Rozier walk rather than pay them. In every single one of those cases letting them walk was better than signing them to an overpaid deal.

You're using a sample of one to prove a thesis.

Sample of Westbrook, Hayward, Horford, Mook, Toby and Rozier is already 6.
Beal, Chris Paul, Poole, Herro, there's any number of cautionary tales.

[BK_2020]

You're not getting great value regardless, the time to trade Jaylen was last summer for KD if you were selling high. If he has a bad season, teams I think would still offer more because on a long-term deal, he has more value then a guy who can walk for nothing

The Nets turned down Jaylen for KD so I think we need to readjust our perception of Jaylen's value.

They were never trading Jaylen for KD straight-up, especially with 4 years left (and Tsai's crazy asking price). But they've openly said the best offer they got was Jaylen/White/1st, before the Suns offered the house.

No matter what we think of Jaylen, his value is definitely not low around the league, no matter the GM you talk to. I would assume the analytics-based GMs value him lower than the less analytics-based ones for sure, but teams would offer legit stuff for him.

But one year left Jaylen? When he's surely going to hit UFA? That seems not smart to give up much for any team

The Suns got KD for two high-end role players and 4 first round picks. That was not a very impressive package. One high-end roleplayer was an expiring.

[BK_2020]

But the real reason why trading Jaylen for less than a superstar back in return might not be catastrophic is that inefficient volume scoring against secondary defenders, even if self-created, might be fairly easy to replace. Maybe not 1:1 but it's also a skill with rapidly diminishing returns. A Tyler Herro (I'm not advocating for a Herro trade, just giving an example) could give back 80% of Jaylen Brown's scoring and perhaps improve our overall offense since he is a better outside shooter.